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2009/07/12 19:36:29
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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2009/07/12 19:41:32
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, there isn't. That's kind of the whole point of them, that they're unknown.
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2009/07/12 19:42:26
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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I've not really read anything about it, but it would certainly be interesting if one of them turned out to be the proginator of the Orks... I can't remember off the top of my head how widespread the Orks were during the Great Crusade, or if they had been encountered prior to the creation of the Primarchs.
Though perhaps when GW finishes bring everything up to date they will introduce them into the fluff.
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2009/07/12 19:44:57
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Mods: In the name of all that's holy, dispatch this abomination of a thread to the deepest pits of the background forum.
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2009/07/12 19:47:40
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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When I mean fluff, I mean does anyone know if there dead or something like that?
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2009/07/12 19:52:07
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ive seen about twenty of these threads since starting dakka, there is some fluff on them, in the Horus Heresy book "Mechanicum" Rogal Dorn is talking to a high imperial guy, about the defence of terra from the traitors, and the imperial guy says, something like "We have thirteen legions, the traitors have five" and Dorn said "If only they were fifth teen" and imperial high guy said " Do not think about them, they are lost to us forever".
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2009/07/12 19:58:05
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Wow.What about the legions they would have owned?
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2009/07/12 20:07:23
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
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No idea, thats all i got, i think there something else from an iron warriors book, but i dont konw.
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2009/07/12 20:33:22
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2009/07/12 20:43:53
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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You know what rubiksnoob screw you!
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2009/07/12 20:51:55
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Whoa, It's just a picture. Just take a deep breath and calm down. No need to get worked up here.
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2009/07/12 20:55:06
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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i thought the idea of the two unknown legions, was so that you could make your own legions
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2009/07/12 20:56:47
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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Yeah I think thats what there there for. I just wanted to see what other people thought.
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2009/07/12 21:35:23
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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SilverMK2 wrote:I've not really read anything about it, but it would certainly be interesting if one of them turned out to be the proginator of the Orks... I can't remember off the top of my head how widespread the Orks were during the Great Crusade, or if they had been encountered prior to the creation of the Primarchs.
The Orks were engineered by the Old Ones as a warrior caste. So they're in the same ballpark age-wise as the Eldar. Certainly well before the Great Crusade.
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2009/07/12 21:47:17
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Dan Abnett's short story the Lightning Tower further hints at the two missing Primarchs as being killed by the Emperor most likely: "The second and eleventh plinths had been vacant for a long time. No one ever spoke of those two absent brothers. Their separate tragedies had seemed like aberrations. Had they, in fact, been warnings that no one had heeded?"
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2009/07/12 21:49:47
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Wow.
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2009/07/15 04:22:28
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Whatever happened to them, they obviously took their legions with them and it happened sometime during the Great Crusade. I assume it wasn't chaos that took them as Horus would have tried contacting them.
Thanks for the quote BrookM.
If the idea originally was to let people come up with their own legions and spin off chapters, it seems to have changed to these legions doing something really bad and being either destroyed or banished. I don't think any chapter with a link to these legions would now be accepted. Who knows though right? Maybe some of them survived and were used to set up the Death Watch or Grey Knights along with the survivors of the treacher legions.
Automatically Appended Next Post: rubiksnoob wrote:Whoa, It's just a picture. Just take a deep breath and calm down. No need to get worked up here.
Nah mate, it's pretty rude posting a huge picture that basically says the thread sucks and is a waste of time. If you don't like the thread go elsewhere.
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2009/07/15 05:08:56
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Killer Klaivex
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No, the Grey Knights and Deathwatch were founded by members of the Traitor Legions who remained loyal to the Emperor and escaped the Traitors.
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2009/07/15 06:17:54
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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BrookM wrote:Dan Abnett's short story the Lightning Tower further hints at the two missing Primarchs as being killed by the Emperor most likely: "The second and eleventh plinths had been vacant for a long time. No one ever spoke of those two absent brothers. Their separate tragedies had seemed like aberrations. Had they, in fact, been warnings that no one had heeded?"
Or it could refer to these Primarchs falling to Chaos.
You know, if we wanna speculate.
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2009/07/15 09:05:05
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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I've heard one is meant to have fallen to chaos, the other was loyal, but it's probably just rumours.
We don't even know if the primarchs were found after being scattered, they could still be out there! Plus we don't know if there was enough genetic material from the primarchs to create their legions in the first place, but there probably was.
Never heard that GK were made from the traitor legions, is that cannon? I knew that they were meant to have been formed before Guilimans big book of fun split the legions though. I also heard that the high lords didn't destroy the genetic banks from the traitor legions 
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2009/07/15 10:45:45
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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GK are the second founding chaper of 666.
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2009/07/15 11:01:26
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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The grey knights were founded by (most likely) a bunch of traitor legion members that did not follow their primarchs with horus, and instead stayed loyal to the emperor. Most were death guard but there were at least some world eaters and a thousand son, iirc.
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2009/07/15 12:52:58
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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The two unknown legions are mentioned in the book Mechanicum. Dorn was wishing for their aid against Horus, but the was told that they were "lost to the Emperor".
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 14:42:44
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Cheese Elemental wrote:No, the Grey Knights and Deathwatch were founded by members of the Traitor Legions who remained loyal to the Emperor and escaped the Traitors.
I said that, treacher is another word for traitor. I just wondered if survivors from the other two legions may have been included as well. Automatically Appended Next Post: Grim.Badger wrote:I've heard one is meant to have fallen to chaos, the other was loyal, but it's probably just rumours.
We don't even know if the primarchs were found after being scattered, they could still be out there! Plus we don't know if there was enough genetic material from the primarchs to create their legions in the first place, but there probably was.
Definitely, when the crusade began the Emperor had 20 legions recruited from the people of earth. As the primarchs were found, the legion that bore their gene-seed was given to them. Sometime during the 200 odd years of the crusade two legions were banished or just left. Whatever the cause, it was bad enough for them to be erased from history records. As the legions themselves were lost to the Imperium, it would suggest that their primarchs had been found and did something naughty, otherwise the legions would still have existed at the time of the heresy and Dorn would have had his 15 legions mentioned above.
Never heard that GK were made from the traitor legions, is that cannon? I knew that they were meant to have been formed before Guilimans big book of fun split the legions though. I also heard that the high lords didn't destroy the genetic banks from the traitor legions
I think it's a theory, The Grey Knights don't know (or aren't willing to say) who their primarch is. Maybe they were started by loyalists from the treacher legions and maybe the Emperor created them from scratch.
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2009/07/15 16:33:59
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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cadbren wrote:
I think it's a theory, The Grey Knights don't know (or aren't willing to say) who their primarch is. Maybe they were started by loyalists from the treacher legions and maybe the Emperor created them from scratch.
One theory is that their primarch is Mortarion, and they were formed by Nathaniel Garro.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 18:53:07
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Dakka Veteran
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I think one of the missing Primarchs is Sigmar...the other is Nagash.
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2009/07/15 19:56:29
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Let's not forget that the Adeptus Mechanicus has an army of genetically superior (and augmented) warriors guarding Mars. Payment for services rendered anyone.
Also I remember a very early quote that was something like "The Emperor carried with Him a great sadness for his lost sons." and that was Pre Heresy.
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2009/07/15 20:00:08
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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RxGhost wrote:I think one of the missing Primarchs is Sigmar...the other is Nagash.
Who's Nagash?
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 21:46:08
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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I heard that Alpharius of the alpha legion had a twin named Omegon. Could this be an unknown primarch that was hiding in plain view?
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2009/07/15 22:09:27
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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deadratman wrote:I heard that Alpharius of the alpha legion had a twin named Omegon. Could this be an unknown primarch that was hiding in plain view?
No, Alpharius and Omegon are the same Primarch, although they are different people.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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