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2009/07/15 22:33:57
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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That is confusing. How can they be the same primarch but different people?
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2009/07/15 22:41:54
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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deadratman wrote:That is confusing. How can they be the same primarch but different people?
there is nowhere that it says a primarch has to be one person. Also, think of them as a Hydra- cut off the head and two grow in it's place.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 22:44:10
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Oh that is way their symbol is a hydra.Yes but it is saying that there are two actual people. That means that there would be 21 primarchs.
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2009/07/15 22:53:45
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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deadratman wrote:Oh that is way their symbol is a hydra.Yes but it is saying that there are two actual people. That means that there would be 21 primarchs.
No. 21 People. 20 Primarchs.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 23:10:37
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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WTF! Can someone strighten this out? I am confused!!!!
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2009/07/15 23:13:04
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Dakka Veteran
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Fo'real. Math is hard.
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2009/07/15 23:15:43
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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It is not that. It is just confusing cause no one ever mentioned him. There are 21 people but 20 primarchs.
Never got the hang of time travel and twins.
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2009/07/15 23:16:24
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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deadratman wrote:It is not that. It is just confusing cause no one ever mentioned him. There are 21 people but 20 primarchs.
Never got the hang of time travel and twins.
Read "Legion"
I can understand why it might be confusiong it's a relatively new addition to canon fluff.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 23:19:00
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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Hell yeah. What is "Legion" about?
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2009/07/15 23:20:16
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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It's about Alpha legion and it's turning to Chaos, or more accurately, against Chaos.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 23:23:14
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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What do you mean! I know about the Cabal but nothing else. GOD THIS IS CONFUSING!!!!!!!!!
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2009/07/15 23:24:57
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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deadratman wrote:What do you mean! I know about the abal but nothing else. GOD THIS IS CONFUSING!!!!!!!!!
It shall be unconfusing if you read the Book.
Here's a pic.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 23:29:18
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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That is the cover right?
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2009/07/15 23:30:08
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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The cover is the right hand side of the pic.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/15 23:31:55
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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Oh.COOL!
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2009/07/16 00:13:04
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
In the chaotic wastes also known as Canada
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Exarch_Nektel wrote:deadratman wrote:I heard that Alpharius of the alpha legion had a twin named Omegon. Could this be an unknown primarch that was hiding in plain view?
No, Alpharius and Omegon are the same Primarch, although they are different people.
One Soul Two Bodies.
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They're like kidnapping someone, and forcefeeding them heroin until they're hooked.
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2009/07/16 00:31:32
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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Can someone explain the relationship of the twins.
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2009/07/16 13:03:10
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
Somewhere in the unknown universe.
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They are twins. Both born from the same test tube. You'll have to ask the Emperor for that details.
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Manchu wrote:Agamemnon2 wrote:
Congratulations, that was the stupidest remark the entire wargaming community has managed to produce in a long, long time.
Congratulations, your dismissive and conclusory commentary has provided nothing to this discussion or the wider community on whose behalf you arrogantly presume to speak nor does it engage in any meaningful way the remark it lamely targets. But you did manage to gain experience points toward your next level of internet tough guy.
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2009/07/16 17:16:18
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Exarch_Nektel wrote:They are twins. Both born from the same test tube. You'll have to ask the Emperor for that details.
Major lawls.
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2009/07/16 17:32:41
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Is it possible that as they drifting in space and all that 2 primarchs died?
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2009/07/16 19:41:04
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
Oregon
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So the whole Alpharius thing is totally reasonable.
"Hi I'm a guy who's really two guys. Oh, here's the other me. He says hi too. Wait, I mean I say hi too. No, wait...er...you know what I/we mean. By the way, don't look now but I/we are also behind you.
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2009/07/16 20:13:15
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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In several places, it is stated that all 20 primarchs were found and fought in the Great Crusade. All 20 Legions fought in the Crusade. Also, the Legions existed before their Primarch was found (and at least the Death Guard had a different name - the Dusk Raiders and different colors). What happened to the two missing primarchs is unknown. I'd guess it'll be revealed in the Heresy series, but that's just a guess.
AFAIK, it's not clear how long the Great Crusade lasted. Several hundred years, but I think it's estimated at anywhere from 200 to 500 years.
There's a good discussion on the Black Library forums, here: http://forum.blpublishing.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=177" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://forum.blpublishing.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=177
The OP has some interesting theories. Automatically Appended Next Post: PS: I think at the time of Rogue Trader, Sigmar was intended to be one of the lost Primarchs based on the fluff associated with him at the time (a twin-tailed comet fortold his coming, he was bigger and stronger and nearly impossible to kill, etc.). At the time, the Warhammer World was part of the 40k universe, but blocked off by warp storms. I would guess the other missing primarch was a Chaos warlord, but I didn't follow the WFB fluff much (I did play the RPG, but it really just covered the Empire), so I don't know if there was a chaos-guy that fit a Primarch's description. Since RT was published, they have retconned so that the Warhammer World is not in the 40k universe.
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2009/07/16 20:28:28
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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In the above case, then.
Archaon the Everchosen (Think of Abbadon in 40k, yet with actual sway over the Legions) Is a Primarch, and Sigmar is the other.
IF GW intended WHFB characters to be the missing primarchs, any ideas as to who?
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2009/07/16 20:31:35
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm not sure Archaon existed at the time of Rogue Trader in the Warhammer fluff. He might have, I just don't know. I do know that Sigmar existed, because I played the RPG.
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In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer |
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2009/07/16 20:35:24
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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I don't think it was Archaon either,
He did not exist at the time of Sigmar, but in that case it is up for grabs.
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2009/07/16 21:35:31
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Dear lord guys.
Read up on some Lexicanum stuff. Sigmar being a Primarch was debunked a long time ago. WHFB and 40k now have nothing to do with each other. Different universe and all that.
Alpharius and Omegon are two different people, but Omegon was never 100% revealed because he is a secret of the Legion.
To help you guys out: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Alpharius
Nothing good comes out of these threads, just confusion.....
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2009/07/16 22:13:44
Subject: Re:Two unknown legions?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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dietrich wrote:PS: I think at the time of Rogue Trader, Sigmar was intended to be one of the lost Primarchs based on the fluff associated with him at the time (a twin-tailed comet fortold his coming, he was bigger and stronger and nearly impossible to kill, etc.). At the time, the Warhammer World was part of the 40k universe, but blocked off by warp storms. I would guess the other missing primarch was a Chaos warlord, but I didn't follow the WFB fluff much (I did play the RPG, but it really just covered the Empire), so I don't know if there was a chaos-guy that fit a Primarch's description. Since RT was published, they have retconned so that the Warhammer World is not in the 40k universe.
Dreadwinter wrote:Sigmar being a Primarch was debunked a long time ago. WHFB and 40k now have nothing to do with each other. Different universe and all that.
As I said, at the time of RT, I think that Sigmar was intended to be one. He's clearly not now, since they've changed with Sigmar's and the Warhammer World's fluff.
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In the dark future, there are skulls for everyone. But only the bad guys get spikes. And rivets for all, apparently welding was lost in the Dark Age of Technology. -from C.Borer |
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2009/07/17 02:25:26
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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Who is sigmar?
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2009/07/17 03:43:43
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Sigmar was the founder of the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy.
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2009/07/17 04:44:13
Subject: Two unknown legions?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
Canada
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Oh.I see. Now who is this Nagash?
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