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I know that Gork and Mork are the Ork "gods". But were they really born out the warp? I think that they were just two of the strongest orks ever whos' power was greatly exagerrated.

What do you guys think?

Gork and Mork arse real
where you think us Orks came from?

Gork and Mork are real because Orks believe in them, meaning if they weren't real before, they are now.

Gork and Mork are 'real' in the sense that they are massively powerful Warp Entities, much like the Chaos Gods. Gork and Mork, however, shun the worship of daemons and lesser warp entities, so you'll never see any daemons available to orks. In fact, Gork and Mork are the most powerful of the entities within the warp, because they are the avatars of all of orkdom in the warp. The chaos gods, while powerful, are merely a reflection of one part of the human (or eldar/other psychically attuned races) psyche. Gork and Mork are the avatars/reflections of every part of orkish life. In addition orks are arguably one of the most successful races in the galaxy, controlling planets pretty much everywhere. There are huge numbers of orks, which serves to further bolster Gork and Mork.

Well the Orks were created by the Old ones to counter the Necro threat like a million years ago.

Orks created these gods and are the most powerful warp beings.

Orkestra wrote:Gork and Mork are 'real' in the sense that they are massively powerful Warp Entities, much like the Chaos Gods. Gork and Mork, however, shun the worship of daemons and lesser warp entities, so you'll never see any daemons available to orks. In fact, Gork and Mork are the most powerful of the entities within the warp, because they are the avatars of all of orkdom in the warp. The chaos gods, while powerful, are merely a reflection of one part of the human (or eldar/other psychically attuned races) psyche. Gork and Mork are the avatars/reflections of every part of orkish life. In addition orks are arguably one of the most successful races in the galaxy, controlling planets pretty much everywhere. There are huge numbers of orks, which serves to further bolster Gork and Mork.

They also have a Vehicle combat game named after themselves XD

Metallifan wrote:

They also have a Vehicle combat game named after themselves XD

That's probably their greatest claim to fame. Which is much cooler than just kicking the Chaos Gods' butts every now and then.

Orkestra wrote:Gork and Mork are 'real' in the sense that they are massively powerful Warp Entities, much like the Chaos Gods. Gork and Mork, however, shun the worship of daemons and lesser warp entities, so you'll never see any daemons available to orks. In fact, Gork and Mork are the most powerful of the entities within the warp, because they are the avatars of all of orkdom in the warp. The chaos gods, while powerful, are merely a reflection of one part of the human (or eldar/other psychically attuned races) psyche. Gork and Mork are the avatars/reflections of every part of orkish life. In addition orks are arguably one of the most successful races in the galaxy, controlling planets pretty much everywhere. There are huge numbers of orks, which serves to further bolster Gork and Mork.

Orks only have one aspect of life. WAR.
But I'm saying were they real orks who got worshiped after they died until thier souls grew strong enough to become gods?

No they are gods created by the Orks. Can we make it any clearer?

It's a good question, but no. Gork and Mork were never real orks, just like Slaanesh wasn't any particular Eldar before the fall. They just came into being because of events in the physical universe.

Also, Orks don't 'worship' Gork and Mork per se. They just believe in them. Which is a pretty important difference.

@Lord-Loss. I KNOW that they are gods. I said it in my first post. But sometimes stories are exaggerated.Like for example what if the names were those of very powerful Warboss names? And when they died the orks in the WAARGH thought they were gods sent to rally them together? And so they started to believe and this belief spread through all orkdom, until two gods really did come in to existence from all the thoughts of the orks?

penut the butter wrote:@Lord-Loss. I KNOW that they are gods. I said it in my first post. But sometimes stories are exaggerated.Like for example what if the names were those of very powerful Warboss names? And when they died the orks in the WAARGH thought they were gods sent to rally them together? And so they started to believe and this belief spread through all orkdom, until two gods really did come in to existence from all the thoughts of the orks?

No, they are just ork gods.

They're just as real as the rest of our little toy soldiers.

penut the butter wrote:@Lord-Loss. I KNOW that they are gods. I said it in my first post. But sometimes stories are exaggerated.Like for example what if the names were those of very powerful Warboss names? And when they died the orks in the WAARGH thought they were gods sent to rally them together? And so they started to believe and this belief spread through all orkdom, until two gods really did come in to existence from all the thoughts of the orks?

And as people keep saying, no they were not living orks who became warp entities.
Like the rest of the warp 'gods', they evolved from the energy that is created in the warp of the back of the physic energy in the physical realm.
They are the spirit of the Ork psyche and will made into very powerful warp entities, that's it.

Thank you Apone and Corpsesarefun

Oh sure I get no thanks... It's not like I said

It's a good question, but no. Gork and Mork were never real orks, just like Slaanesh wasn't any particular Eldar before the fall. They just came into being because of events in the physical universe.

before either of them.



P.S. I'm a sulky child when I haven't had my supper yet.

Yes, and because there are literally septillions of Orks in the galaxy, Gork and Mork are incredibly powerful gods, which is how the Orks manage to warp reality in minor ways by believing in something, like making red vehicles go faster or getting their crude guns to work.

In fact, Gork and Mork are so powerful that they thump any of the other gods (Chaos included) that get in their way. I think it was once mentioned that Khorne once got in Gork's way, and Gork whacked him over the head with a huge club.

The flipside of it is, while Mork can put Khorne in a trashcan, and Gork can put shaving cream on his hand while he's sleeping and tickle his nose so that he smashes shaving cream into his face, they're probably never going to actually do anything to threaten Chaos.

They're made from less serious concepts than that.

Uh, it's Gork who'd beat up Khorne and Mork who'd do the shaving cream thing, remember?

Gork is the god of cunning brutality, and Mork is the god of brutal cunning. The difference is that one hits you when you're looking, and the other hits you when you aren't.

Cheese you should comment in the "Orks vs Imperum" thread. People are claiming that Ork tech sucks and they cant do space travels.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Uh, it's Gork who'd beat up Khorne and Mork who'd do the shaving cream thing, remember?

Gork is the god of cunning brutality, and Mork is the god of brutal cunning. The difference is that one hits you when you're looking, and the other hits you when you aren't.

Cunning brutality is like the shaving cream, brutal cunning is like the trash cans.

YOU GOTTA PROBLEM WIFF DAT, SQUIGZOGGA?

Anything thought of exist in the warp how long it last is bassed on how much baking it has in the realy world.

Dont get me wrong i luvs ma orks but for some reason i dont think gork and mork are as real as the big chaos 4.

Why i say this is because in the deamons of chaos which speaks a lot about the realm of chaos there is not any mention even in passing of ork influnce in the warp.
as far as i know there is not mention of gork and mork acting as gods per se like the chaos gods do. This is why i belive that gork and mork are more of a concept like the whole red paint make things faster concept

the chaos gods as far as the game is concerned are realish. they do directly affect the 40k world but gork and mork are literaly just names in the background

HiddenPower wrote:Dont get me wrong i luvs ma orks but for some reason i dont think gork and mork are as real as the big chaos 4.

Why i say this is because in the deamons of chaos which speaks a lot about the realm of chaos there is not any mention even in passing of ork influnce in the warp.
as far as i know there is not mention of gork and mork acting as gods per se like the chaos gods do. This is why i belive that gork and mork are more of a concept like the whole red paint make things faster concept

the chaos gods as far as the game is concerned are realish. they do directly affect the 40k world but gork and mork are literaly just names in the background

*Face palm*

The chaos gods do not directly interfere in the Material realm with some exception like the Horus Heresy.

There is multiple mentions in the fluff of Gork and Mork playing pranks on the chaos gods. As well mentions of Gork and Mork waking and the Chaos gods and the Emporer being scared or something.

Read Lexicanum.

However, as previously stated, the 'big 4' are WORSHIPPED by the chaos legions, where as Gork and Mork are merely revered and believed in by the orks. Large difference.

And, read lexicanum. Gork and Mork have a huge warp presence if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think Gork and Mork really have the ambition to try and break into the material universe.

They're already da biggest and da strongest.

Yep, their behaviour mirrors that of the Orks. Orks don't invade planets and kill people to gain anything, they do it for fun. If they happen to gain something, then that's a plus. The average Boy doesn't want to rule anyone other than his own mob; he just wants to fight.

lord-loss i agree they dont affect the world dirrectly but they do affect it unlike gork and mork.

examples:
Khorne beating up skar brand and messing up his wings= a 40k character that does appear in the real 40k universe with signs that he was affected by khorn himself

Slanesh and his birth warp scream= endangered species for the eldar

tzench dipping fateweaver into the well of info thing= fateweaver having two heads and being a true character in 40k

But for gork and mork can anybody give me an example of them affecting the real 40k unioverse indirectly? Ghazgull i dont believe counts because in the codex it says it that it could be delusions and he CLAIMS that it be gork and mork.
another thing i would like to point out, a lot of the other warp entities seem to have some sort of direct representation to the real world. The big 4 have their demons the Emperor you can argue has his martys and holy miracles proof being in the SoB and their heroes, and even the eldar have the avatars of khaine but no gork and mork stuff

If gork&mork mirror orks then they probably don't care enough to affect the materium.
Orks don't care about other orks.

Orkestra wrote:Oh sure I get no thanks... It's not like I said

It's a good question, but no. Gork and Mork were never real orks, just like Slaanesh wasn't any particular Eldar before the fall. They just came into being because of events in the physical universe.

before either of them.



P.S. I'm a sulky child when I haven't had my supper yet.

Sorry man but I had something important to handle so I couldn't really thank you. I had to finish my post real quick. Wife was getting mad . So again I'm so sorry and thank you Orkestra.