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Let's talk about about the unit you view as the most worthlless unit in 40k and should basically be removed completely

I want to say Sister Repentia.. They die easy and just never get to do enough damage from what Ive seen
Granted they are a god bless for slaanesh and khorn players but I digress

From the Eldar kin:
Hellions, Scourges, Mandrakes, Swooping Hawks.

Space Pope.

It was voted on and he won. (Or lost, depending on how you view these things.)

Reasons being he is very expensive, a big target, very vulnerable, causes a serious morale collapse if killed, has nearly no offensive powers and his morale boost is just a scaled up version of the much cheaper basic Ethereal.

Yup. I go with Space Pope.
It's a pretty stupid idea anyway.

Genestealers. Well, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, they're not bad units per se, but they're a huge points sink and they have awful armour saves.

Tau Fire Warriors
Ripper Swarms

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Genestealers. Well, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, they're not bad units per se, but they're a huge points sink and they have awful armour saves.

I really, really hope you're kidding.

Where to start....

Whirlwinds, Possessed, Chaos dreads, Chaos Defilers, Necron warriors, Wraiths, Rippers.

It's the devilfish that's really bad, firewarriors would be decently able to fight if their transport wasn't overcosted, underarmed, and unloved.

The fish can be outshot by every other basic transport in the game save the rhino. It does not need to cost 80 points. I know a tau player who used them as flying cover in one game, a role that should not cost 80 points!

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Genestealers.

Lord-Loss wrote:Necron warriors

are we just going to toss out the names of every unit in the game? both of these are far from being the "worst unit" in 40K

HolyCause wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Genestealers.

Lord-Loss wrote:Necron warriors

are we just going to toss out the names of every unit in the game? both of these are far from being the "worst unit" in 40K

Well like I said, I was being a little harsh. They just annoy me is all.

Hellions and scourges *shudder*.
Priests (all types)
Flash gits?
Spawn

Necron warriors need to be cheaper, better in CC, transport and better gun.

Spawn,other than using the bitz for conversions or occasionly using them as a buffer incase a drednought goes crazy,I can think of a no more useless unit.

Moving to 40K Discussions.

Lord-Loss wrote:Necron warriors need to be cheaper, better in CC, transport and better gun.

I think Gauss should be buffed a bit to compensate for the 5th ed glancing rules but that doesn't mean they're the worst unit in 40K. In fact, they're far from it.

Why should they be cheaper? 18 points for a modified version of FNP and auto-wound/auto-glancing on a 6 rapid fire weapons? That's a steal if you ask me.

I don't think they should be better because they are a basic troop choice. The rest of the codex needs some updating, Necrons have pitiful anti-vehicle.

Rippers, hormogaunts, gargoyles, ravenors. All of those are pretty much gak they dont do much for their points and not one of them can stand up to a bolter. its kinda tragic seeing a ravenor squad getting taken out by a half squad of marines, even worse is the fact that they are almost or more points than a termie

Yeah the Spawn is pretty tragic... Thousand sons arent very good either, but they're not the worst, i feel that dubious honour goes to the aforementioned Chaos Spawn

and technically arent Grots the worst in the game?! I know they can be handy in many cases, but on paper theyre the worst...

If you mean worst as weakest.

Most people take it to mean least vale for points.

I'm not sure Space Pope wouldn't count on both grounds.

Baharoth - swooping hawks pheonix lord
Chaos Dread
Tau Space Pope
Spawn
Flash Gits

Kilkrazy wrote:If you mean worst as weakest.

Most people take it to mean least vale for points.

I'm not sure Space Pope wouldn't count on both grounds.

Yeah, basically, following the laws of probability Grots would lose to any other unit/model in the game...

However I don't deny that in terms of effectiveness the Space Pope's the worst as the grots can hold objectives, screen and are cheap etc.

Lord-Loss wrote:Necron warriors need to be cheaper, better in CC, transport and better gun.

I like playing Space Marines too.

Grots have won me more than one game by taking objectives.

From personal experience; Necron Pariahs & Swooping Hawks. I've found that Hawks don't have the armour or weapons for any serious task, and by the time the non-Necron-special-rule Pariahs slog across the field, they've mostly been shot down(!). 36 pts for a model with no transport option, I3 and no 'Necron' rule is just too steep, in my opinion.

Its easier to do this by army and then compare them all together

Marines - probably techmarines which have a combination of confused roles none of which it excels at and so no real purpose to include. Pretty much the only reason i can see to field one is if you have 3 preds and want to do a SAFH army.

chaos marines - spawn, easily. and to the person who said defilers what a battlecannon isn't a worthwhile weapon for you?

daemonhunters - daemonhost, almost impossible to use, very little offensive ability, expensive and stops you using GK's

Witch hunters - priests, they only exist to allow access to other units. They make nearly every unit they're attached to WORSE most of the time. Repentia would be my first choice but whilst repentia are awful and a waste of points they don't actively make units worse like a priest does.

IG - primaris psyker has crappy and pathetic powers and iirc can't take a psychic hood so has literally no purpose. If he can take the hood then I guess he can give psychic defense and this prize goes to special weapon teams. Doing the same job as veterans but worse.

BA - techmarines
DA - techmarines
SW - Iron Priest

orks - flash gitz, far too expensive for what they can actually do and competing in a valuable slot

nids - oof, where do you start? I'm going to give it to biovores since again spore mines actively hurt the army as they give free kill points.

daemons - snotlings I guess, I've never seen anyone use them ever.

necrons - a difficult choice but I'm giving it to tomb spyders. Warriors are actually decent but suffer from overall problems with the design of the necron list (i.e. if there was adequate fire support elsewhere they'd be fine). Wraiths are pretty good vehicle hunters and they're 3++ makes them a decent tarpit although they are too expensive and compete with destroyers. Pariahs are too expensive and reduce the necron count but do have some phenomenally powerful abilities (souless and warscythe) so whilst they are a bad choice in the list they aren't actually bad themselves. Tomb spyders however reduce necron count, compete with liths and don't really add anything to the army that can't be done better elsewhere.

tau - space pope can't hurt anything, costs a bomb, dies too easily and hurts the army when he does so.

eldar - frankly there isn't anything terrible in the eldar list but swooping hawks aren't very good. Some interesting things can be done with them and they can be so-so tank hunters but they just struggle too much to actually hurt people.

dark eldar - the list of crap and poorly designed units is seemingly endless. scourges, mandrakes, hellions, grotesques. I'm going to go with hellions as I don't think anyone has used one since 3rd edition.


So obviously the worst units aren't those that are just poor value for points or compete with better units but those units which actually have a negative effect on the army overall.

That leaves

daemonhosts
priests
space pope

priests only hurt 1 unit in the army whereas daemonhosts and the pope hurt everyone. Daemonhosts can actually kill things and are fun but always stop those GK units. The pope actually is a benefit until he dies but he isn't fun to use and can't really hurt anything.

Advantage pope I think but it is close.

Badrukk's pretty bad. Especially since you need Flash Gits to take him.

He's Flash Gits + More Overpricing.

Possessed.

I spend way too much time thinking about tanks

On that note, worst tank ever? Ork Boomwagon.

Not that it's a bad unit, it's just the worst tank anyone has ever thought of.

Biovores- why yes, I would love to give my opponent extra kill points, just in case he wasn't winning hard enough
Hormagaunts-Storm Guardians that can leap, but cost more points and actually lose more models in combats that they lose simply by losing if they are in synapse range, or are outright wiped if outside. Storm Guardians wish they could be this bad.
Zoanthropes-an expensive fizzle
Lictors-Ahahaha the master of stealth tripped over the rock he was hiding behind while trying to assault an Ig squad. When he isn't busy disappearing into the warp by stepping out from behind trees he's being clubbed to death by lasgun butts.

I acctually think spawn are Great. They dont have any armour save, multiple wounds, adn can charge 12 inches. IE: perect for tying up units with lots of power weapons or Monstrous creatures.

Personally, its the possessed that are worthless in my eyes. 26pts for a normal chaose space marine w/ +1 str and the 1 in 6 chance of maybe getting power weapons... i've never rolled above a 3 on that table.


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But the space pope is pretty terrible...