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Spawn - Uncontrollable to an extent, expensive, have no durability to speak of.
Repentia - Have less than no durability, will never swing, assuming that they even ever make combat (which they won't).
Space Pope - Is actually a liability to your own army to take him.

I'm trying to think of anything that tops these three... I mean even Possessed, as terrible as they are, can do something. God... even Generic-fething-Daemons have a purpose...

Ogryn maybe? Just because they're so expensive. Umm... Flash Gitz, for the same reasons as Ogryn really (that said, Flash Gitz have the excellent Lootas to compete with, making them doubly as bad).

I'd say Commissars, Priests, Enginseers and Storm Troopers because none of them have even a single use, but they can still all do something (barely), whereas the first three units can't.

I don't think Commissars are so bad.

Commissar Lords are. (Another liability unit; watch your enemy single him out as soon as he wants you to break.)

Flash gitz are a bad unit
Spawn are also bad
Spore Mines Suck
Ogryn are poor
Thunderwolf Cav are rubbish
Lukas the trickster is the worst SC ever made ever

And the Space Pope takes the #1 spot.

i've said it before, i'll say it again.

the worst unit possible in 40k is the 10 man vanguard squad packing dual thunder hammers and jump packs, all packing melta bombs.

960 points of fail.

Horst wrote:the worst unit possible in 40k is the 10 man vanguard squad packing dual thunder hammers and jump packs, all packing melta bombs.

960 points of fail.

well, yeah, but you had to make that squad, regular 10 vets wouldn't be so ridiculously overequiped

but still... point for point, any of your "worst units" would crush that squad.... except maybe the flash gits, they are almost as overpriced, and the vanguard DO have 40 thunder hammer attacks on the charge...

You really think 4 Space Popes would crush that squad?

thank you for that, orkeosaurus. the image of 4 space popes trying to calm down 10 angry space marines as they bash their faces in with thunder hammers amuses me greatly.

ok, you win. but I still stand by my choice that they are the worst choice in the game. you take that squad, your going to loose. take anyone ONE of the other units you mentioned, and the rest of your army might be able to make up for the crappyness of it. not here... not when its over half your army.

Best thing to do with TH Vanguard is to Heroic Intervention them, right into Enemy METAL BAWKS!

I don't think Space Marine Vanguard fit in here as one of the worst units, even in their overpriced variant you posted there. Like Horst himself pointed out, they are very very able to kill stuff - and I mean, basically any stuff on the table. Forty thunderhammer attacks, come on! Yeah, they will die quick in comparison, but there are whole armies build around that theme (Dark Eldar anyone?). With locator beacon provided by SM Scouts, heroic intervention and some positioning, they won't be as bad as the other competitors for the worst place here.

Gwar! wrote:Flash gitz are a bad unit
Spawn are also bad
Spore Mines Suck
Ogryn are poor
Thunderwolf Cav are rubbish
Lukas the trickster is the worst SC ever made ever

And the Space Pope takes the #1 spot.

agree
agree
agree
a-what the! Thunderwolf Cav?

50pts for t5, str5, 6" fleet, 12" charge 3 attacks and rending? For 200 or so pts I can build a unit that will eat units 2 times its pts cost.

Lukas is hardly the worst SC (space pope, celestine, badrukk are all worse). BC's are the kind of unit you want to be charging against your opponent's most dangerous and expensive units. In that scenario he adds some much needed special cc weapon attacks at a decent ws and init and if all does go tits up and your bc's have lost to the enemy's uber unit then you he might take them out in the process with his stasis bomb.

Also you find me something that can kill a titan in one turn for less points.

TWCav are too expensive and too Niche. Without FnP and Turbo Boost like Nob Bikers, they are much worse.

And yes, Lukas can kill a titan in 1 go, but thats only in Apoc. In normal 40k, he is useless, and in Apoc, the enemy will just MindWar/Vindicare/Orbita Bonbonalbanet him before he gets close to a titan.

Superheavy vehicles would still only take d3 Structure Points of damage, wouldn't they?

Orkeosaurus wrote:Superheavy vehicles would still only take d3 Structure Points of damage, wouldn't they?

Wait a second...

By Russ and The Allfather, I think in out "OMFG look how crap he is" state, we misread the rule...

I don't think Vehicles are ever removed as casualties... which is what the Last Laugh Does...

Gwar! wrote:TWCav are too expensive and too Niche. Without FnP and Turbo Boost like Nob Bikers, they are much worse.

And yes, Lukas can kill a titan in 1 go, but thats only in Apoc. In normal 40k, he is useless, and in Apoc, the enemy will just MindWar/Vindicare/Orbita Bonbonalbanet him before he gets close to a titan.

too expensive and too niche?

They are dirt cheap for that statline. Dirt cheap! And that niche is "fast assault unit". Pretty much the most popular niche in 40k since assault is powerful and speed is necessary to get there.

I fail to see by what metric they can be considered bad. Comparing them to nob bikers doesn't make this clear either. Nob bikers are widely akcnoqledged to be the most broken thing ever. Comparing anything to nob bikers makes them look pathetic. Oh wow tac squads suck because they can't get a 4+/5++/3 cover 4 fnp, which also means harlies suck, and carnifexes, and assault terminators, and kroot, and veteran guardsmen, and sisters of battle.

Everything is worse than nob bikers. I fail to see how that equates to t-wolf cav being the worst unit in 40k.

As for Lukas being the worst SC what is so bad about him? He may be a little overcosted (frankly every sc in the space wolf codex is) but he adds a little bit of extra punch to a unit that sorely needs it and considering the kind of targets you typically use BC against his statis bomb is very useful for turning the usual way BC crumble into a positive advantage. I agree he isn't amazing but over costed is one thing, the space pope is actively bad and makes a tau army including him palpably worse. How can lukas possibly be better than that.

And he and his unit will eat nob bikers for breakfast if they get the charge.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:(frankly every sc in the space wolf codex is)

Points to Logan and Njal.

'nuff said.

Gwar! wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:(frankly every sc in the space wolf codex is)

Points to Logan and Njal.

'nuff said.

Checks codex.

Yup, overcosted.

Still waiting to hear how Lukas is worse than the space pope.

And you want expensive and niche, try an iron priest.

Legion of Damned. Huge point cost, standart marine with better armour. I am curious that anybody use them.

Minci wrote:Legion of Damned. Huge point cost, standart marine with better armour. I am curious that anybody use them.

You forgot that 1 extra attack
I guess in all reality some one out there does but uses them for objective holding

Sisters Repentia
An unarmored, CC anti-vehicle unit that has to move by foot, I can field that?! Really?!

I do have to give them props for one thing though, fielding this unit proves you're either that crazy or that good.

Though they wouldn't suck if they played like they do in Dawn of War.

Vulkan wrote:

Minci wrote:Legion of Damned. Huge point cost, standart marine with better armour. I am curious that anybody use them.

You forgot that 1 extra attack
I guess in all reality some one out there does but uses them for objective holding

Yeah they have 2 attacks but they are not scoring units.

For me it's Chaos Spawn, Possessed, Chaos Dread, lesser Daemons.

1- what is space pop?
2- I think I am the worst unit in WH40k as units and rules are not bad but players are (total noob here)

1- Space Pope = Tau Ethereal or that Special Character Ethereal (I think?)
2- No, some units are just terribad.

Space pope is the Tau Special Character Aun'va.

Mogul Kamir? He has Rage, so your delicate Guard cavalry go running out of control at your nearest enemy. Ordinarily you'd want to conserve their single-use weapons, but you won't live long at <12" distance so it's use them or lose them even if it isn't the target you wanted. Not to mention the noninteraction of Furious Charge with the Hunting Lance, or that his squad takes up fast attack slot that now has fierce competition.

Aun'Va by far is the worst I can think of for Special Characters. The normal Tau ethereal at least allows you to take a fully decked out firewarrior squad that has a BS of 4 and can take major wounds before having the ethereal die. Once an ethereal dies your entire army takes a morale check and falls back if they fail it.

Oh and did I mention that he can't join other squads because he has 2 guards that have the counterattack rule that does absolutely nothing because younever want to be in CC. A T3 means his 4 wounds exist for absolutely nothing since the majority of things in the game can take a S6 weapon.

Oh and the bonus he gives everyone? Everyone that can see him counts as stubborn. Wow that's actually worse overall than a regular ethereal that allows you to reroll morale checks!

By far the Space Pope is the worst unit in the game that I have seen so far. When he dies it basically takes out half your army giving up who knows how many kill points.

At least Aun'Shi was kick ass.

Napalm wrote:Sisters Repentia
An unarmored, CC anti-vehicle unit that has to move by foot, I can field that?! Really?!

I do have to give them props for one thing though, fielding this unit proves you're either that crazy or that good.

Though they wouldn't suck if they played like they do in Dawn of War.

You forgot to add in a few things

You're a sadist, a pervert, a closet Slaanesh player.. Oh and an actual Slaanesh player

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Its easier to do this by army and then compare them all together
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So obviously the worst units aren't those that are just poor value for points or compete with better units but those units which actually have a negative effect on the army overall.

That leaves

daemonhosts
priests
space pope

priests only hurt 1 unit in the army whereas daemonhosts and the pope hurt everyone. Daemonhosts can actually kill things and are fun but always stop those GK units. The pope actually is a benefit until he dies but he isn't fun to use and can't really hurt anything.

Advantage pope I think but it is close.

I like your scientific analysis, particularly because it agrees with me so it must be right.