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Why are the Eldar so ignored? The space marines and just about every other faction are constantly getting upgraded and glorified. Sure I get why people would want to be the Space Marines or the Tyranids or any other race. But why are the Eldar so undeveloped? Please tell me what you think by answering my poll and\or posting.

They got a codex fairly late in 4th ed. TBH they're probably no more neglected than any of the other xenos. The only reason that it looks like the Tyranids are less neglected is because they're having a release soon.

You're right, sorry, I only play eldar at the moment.

I started an Eldar army about a year ago, and they're pretty fun. Hope you're enjoying it.

As has been said Eldar got a codex late 4th and as such 'nids (update soon), 'crons, DE, CSM, LatD, Squats, Inquisition and Tau are all more neglected than Eldar are...

Yeah, I can whup my my older brothers space marines uber easy.

Eldar Savior wrote:Yeah, I can whup my my older brothers space marines uber easy.

Thats pretty irrelavent and is probably because you are using a superior armylist or are a better player, its not due to eldar magically being better than SM as the two armies are pretty much on par.

corpsesarefun wrote:As has been said Eldar got a codex late 4th and as such 'nids (update soon), 'crons, DE, CSM, LatD, Squats, Inquisition and Tau are all more neglected than Eldar are...

I think there can be something said about the neglect of the xenos and "bad guys" in general. When the Space Marines codex came out, they got a bunch of new models and new units, and then there have been some splash releases since then. The Eldar got a decent chunk of new stuff with the current codex, but if you look at CSM, they got no new units (but they did get one new "special" character) and they got a couple of recut sprues, and new terminators. Not much, really.

You're right, I propably can only beat him since were both beginners in 40k.

The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer sheilds or sparkle lasers.


Sorry, I had to. My FLGS manager said that once.

Compare them to Necrons, dark eldar, witch hunters, daemon hunters.

Even non- codex: space marines chapters are neglected, because they use a different codex which has not been updated.

And this next bit may be biased, but after all those armies above get updated, I think the tau should too (I play tau). There isn't much variety in the army, and the special characters don't look very good (farsight? messes up your FoC and no aliens allowed, and likes CC. Shadowsun? 2 melta weapons that need to be in 6", where you generally don't want a 175 point, bad-at-CC model. Aun'Va? Won't kill much, and has an ultimate price of failure). Most lists you see will just have the plain old mandatory HQ suit, firewarriors in a devilfish, Hammerheads and or broadsides, and some elite suits. Rest of points filled with things like pathfinders, maybe some kroot, or pirahnas if you're feeling fancy.

Another army that is semi-up-to date but needs redoing is CSM, which I hear got screwed in their last codex.

After that you have your Eldar, Orks, Space Marines, Space wolves and Imperial Guard which might need redoing once all the other ones are done in who knows how long. Cetainly Eldar should be at the top of that little list of recent enough codices, but thats still a long time coming.

Tyranids not listed because I don't know how out of date they are + they are getting a new codex soon.

Nice one Illeix!

Since Space Marines and Imperial Guard have been updated in 5th ed, neither of them needs any redoing at all currently.

Illeix wrote:The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer sheilds or sparkle lasers.


Sorry, I had to. My FLGS manager said that once.

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willydstyle wrote:Since Space Marines and Imperial Guard have been updated in 5th ed, neither of them needs any redoing at all currently.

I meant by the time they redo 9 codexes (or 10 if you count tyranids) they might be due for an update, either for balance reasons or a new edition. Then again, I doubt either would be neglected, so we don't have to worry about them "needing" updates.

Illeix wrote:The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer sheilds or sparkle lasers.


Sorry, I had to. My FLGS manager said that once.

I really liked the Eldar, had a decent sized warhost in 2nd/3rd, rivaled a marine company.
I think they appealed to people who liked complex paint schemes and high-tech weapons (before the Tau came out)
Then they screwed around with the armour a little, Mucked about with the weaponry, dropped some of the more interesting aspects (hehe see what I did), and put them in DOW with silly girlie voices and I hated it. :(

Eldar have never been neglected. They've always been one of the "core" armies, and have had an army book every edition. Their codex came around the same time as the Chaos Marines and Dark Angels codeces - late 4th, planned for 5th.

The only problem Eldar have is that they have a handful of really outdated miniatures, but even they have stood the test of time fairly well. Better than the entire Dark Eldar range, anyway.

Eldar are a primary Xenos army, and have gotten a Codex every edition since Codices existed, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

Eldar got their last Codex late in 4th, and they'll get their next one in the next year or so (based on normal GW timelines).

If Eldar don't get a Codex for another 3+ years, that would be strange.

If you pay attention, the focus shifts from army to army each year. We had an Eldar year, then an Orks year, then a Chaos year, now Nids, so Eldar & Tau will be up next, along with Necrons.

Just have a bit of patience...

Freakin' Dark Eldar.

We need a new codex.

4th edition Codex releases:
Tyranids ISBN 1-84154-650-X June 2005
Black Templars ISBN 1-84154-685-2 November 2005
Tau Empire ISBN 1-84154-712-3 March 2006
Eldar ISBN 1-84154-791-3 November 2006
Dark Angels ISBN 1-84154-807-3 March 2007
Blood Angels N/A -
Chaos Space Marines ISBN 978-1-84154-842-5 September 2007
Orks ISBN 978-1-84154-852-4 January 2008
Chaos Daemons ISBN 1-84154-8791 May 2008

To me this puts Codex Eldar in the middle of the 4th edition releases. I hesitate to say it was designed with 5th edition in mind. IIRC the codex layout was more in the current style, but given a 5th edition release date of June/July 2008 I suspect 5th edition was not in a state that Eldar could be called "5th edition ready". I'd put Orks there and Daemons for sure.

There are other Codexes that need updating before Eldar. If the OP means Eldar aren't featured much in GW publications, I can't comment as I don't read WD or BL stuff. I haven't seen them featured in the last FW IA series, nor would I say they were featured heavily in Planetstrike given the Imperial terrain and number of strategems in that book. But the same can be said of any non-Imperial force.

Edit: Codex Space Marines would be the first Codex, but I don't have a release date at hand.

Eldar Savior wrote: Why are the Eldar so ignored? The space marines and just about every other faction are constantly getting upgraded and glorified. Sure I get why people would want to be the Space Marines or the Tyranids or any other race. But why are the Eldar so undeveloped? Please tell me what you think by answering my poll and\or posting.

Undeveloped?! How can you read their mythology and call them undeveloped?! They've got a whole extensive Grecian/Romanesque legacy of gods and such. (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar_Mythology) I wish DE had something like that in their codex...

Because they're a terrible concept.

They're Space Elfs.

They have the greatest warriors, on account of being elfs.
They have the greatest wizards, on account of being elfs.
They have the best technology, on account of being elfs.
They have the best hair, on account of being elfs.

From Rogue Trader on down their lists have been filled with gimmicky units and crazy special rules because of this stubborn belief that Elfs must be the best at everything!

It's like playing an army of Mary Sues.

The dark eldar are, but the regualr kind are totaly center stage. Standing just to the right of the space marine scratching his power armoured ass when he thinks no one is looking.

Pfft. Eldars are only T3. If they were the bestest, they'd be T5 with a zillion wounds and Eternal Warrior.

Nobody is the best in 40k.

Well, Eldar are one of the most considered xenos races in GW's 40k universe.
Their codex came out just before the 5th ed arrived and so is rather new,
when compared with Tau or Necrons.


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However, Eldar is not as competitive as it was in the 4th ed.

I guess the Eldar might not be so neglected as I thought they were. But, is it just me or are there only two special characters not counting the pheonix lords.

Eldar Savior wrote: I guess the Eldar might not be so neglected as I thought they were. But, is it just me or are there only two special characters not counting the pheonix lords.

You mean Eldrad and Yriel.
These guys rock in a Seer Council.
The Phoenix Lords are overpriced for what they can achieve.

Hmmm... the Phoenix Lords can be quite good for their value if you are using them to shore up a weakness in your army.

Take Maugan Ra for example: if you're having a hard time fitting enough long-range firepower in (with EMLs and bright lances so expensive on BS3 platforms, it's understandable) he's one of the best long-range rhino busters in the game.

The Phoenix Lords, along with Eldrad, have been the core SCs since 2E. What's going to change that?