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*Just to be clear, the following is rhetorical and simply for discussion, my current project is just an example, i have no intention of selling, nor would i expect a big profit if i did. This is a question about fair pricing of painted minis, taking into account time and cost on the painters side. The question is more about what someone painting to that level should get, fairly speaking, as opposed to what they can realistically get -*

I recently got back into the hobby and purchased SpaceHulk.

I am currently painting the minis to display/competition standards... all of em.

To give a basic idea of what was/is involved, I have done additive conversions, nothing that drastically changes them, but adding trailing wire to the terminator helmets, adding the 4th arm to the 3 arm stealers in various different poses to make the complete and differentiate them. Adding extra basing to the broodlord, toxic water effects goop out of the broken piping on the bases that have them. I also added extended carapace shoulder armor to the duplicate stealers to differentiate them and make sure every one is truly unique, even if just by a bit. Servo skulls to the librarian banner and lots of other minor details... I also edged the entirety of the tiles and counters pieces black, and the flamer counters orange. I'm talking serious ocd attention to detail for EVERYTHING.

I have til this moment completed 5 stealers, the relic, C.A.T and the dead termie. For the sake of argument, each one is up to or beyond Eavy Metal or CoolMiniOrNot 8-9 level. (I never submitted to coolmini, but comparing them i can reasonably say they are up there in terms of quality).

Now, I would say I have spent at least 12 hours on each one of them so far, and about 10 hours at least on the door stands and board/counter edging. So when I am finally done with the whole set, it would be realistic to say I spend somewhere in the neighborhood of 400+ hours on the whole thing.

I have seen on ebay that supposedly 'masterpainted' sets are going for 600 bucks or so, maybe as high as 1500 bucks (not sure that one sold or not)... but working that out, even if they spent half the time i did on them, were still talking about paying someone 3 bucks an hour! Thats not even taking into account the cost of the game, paints or other materials...

I dont know, i know 600 bucks on space hulk, painted or not, is hard to justify, but at the same time, getting payed 600 bucks for 200 hours of time is ridiculous too! I just wonder how it is worth it to ever paint more than 1 single display mini, or at most a small squad if you expect to make anything even resembling a profit. I see these armies painted in hong kong of orks for example, selling for 800 bucks... it seems the models themselves cost that much alone...

I plan on keeping mine, but for arguements sake, what do you think is a reasonable pay per hour IF it is truly master painted to eavy metal display standard or above?

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Truthfully charging by the hour doesnt really work all to well. I know most painters do by the mini, and you can figure a basic one tone mini for 2 to 3 bucks where as a master Golden Demon if you will for 40 to 50 and thats just for one form a squad. I have seen minis go for 400-600 form a multiple golden demon winner so in the end it all really depends on what your shooting for in quality.

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Pics, would be require to make such judgement call. Otherwise it can be very subjective on the 'hour' rate.


Maybe at that point, its not profitable.


Profitability should be key in mind, eavy metal + quality is not the target market i'd say. Dumb down your painting, do it as efficiently as possible with the best quality, and do a toned down bit more affordable decision.

Win-win.

Otherwise there will not be a profitable way for you to gain.



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I painted up a DA army over the years when I was younger, again I am strictly a painter I don't actually play the games, so each one was again painted to a high standard. 7 years ago they were pretty high quality paint jobs, but now i think they would probably rate somewhere 7-8 on cool mini.

here's the thing though, i sold the army by squad/character on ebay... alltogether i made about 2500 bucks for an LR, rhino, razorback, 3 bikes a 10 man tac squad, a 5 man assault squad, 10 devs, and a command squad of 8 or so individual characters. So honestly, all together besides the vehicles, there werent more models than the space hulk box. prob equal or less work, but they would sell for 1500-1800 less if they are all together, insanity!

so... thats the lesson i guess, don't sell that many models at once, no matter how well they are painted! it would almost be worth buying one of these 800 buck hong kong armies, which are quite passably painted i would say, high table top/low display quality, touch them up then sell off the individual squads.



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Just to be clear, i have no intention of selling, nor would i expect a big profit if i did, or any for that matter.

The question is more about what someone painting to that level should get, fairly speaking, as opposed to what they can realistically get -

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I've painted figures and armies for quite a few people over the years from basic gaming standard upto 'eavy metal quality and I've never charged by the hour as people wouldn't pay it (over here minimum wage is £5.80 per hour, even at that rate you would be looking at an extortionate amount for a figure).
The main thing, I think, that needs to be taken into consideration is if you enjoy painting the figures. I have never taken on a commission if I didn't like the figures as I wouldn't enjoy doing them. By the description of what the op is doing to his figures I'm sure he must enjoy doing it and if he sold them individually I'm pretty sure he would get an above average price for them... Would be nice to see some pictures of them if possible?
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If it's your job you need to cover all your expenses, insurance, tax, pension, health, holidays, sick days, and on top of that you need to think what is an acceptable salary level.

I agree with EmpChild that per piece or per squad is a better pricing scheme to offer customers. They don't care if you can paint a figure to Daemon standard in 10 minutes or two weeks.

If you know how long it takes to paint an item to a particular standard and how much money you want to make in profit, you can price your pieces accordingly.

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Will put up pics sooner or later... a buddy is getting a macro lens for his camera over the holidays, so i will borrow it then.

I guess i didnt say it clearly though in the original post... my story with spacehulk was just an example... my question was really more about what everyone thought would be fair (not neccesarily attainable, just fair) to pay someone for minis of high caliber...

For me, i enjoy it and all, but if i also enjoy keeping them after all that work! lol.
if i were to paint with the intention of selling, i feel it fair to say you should get at the minimum 10 dollars an hour... up to 20 hours... after that, diminishing returns(earn less per hour)... but to me a 20 hour mini should reasonably get 200 bucks. so a 60 hour mini would be like 350 or something I guess.

now of course, this doesnt really work on an army scale, if i charged 10 bucks an hour for my 400 hour space hulk, it would be dollars... and thats just at 10 bucks, if i charged anywhere near what i actually make an hour in my real life job... buying painted minis is really quite a steal i guess, especially if you arent particularly good at it i guess. Seems intensly expensive for little plastic toy soldiers, but when you really think about it, you are practically robbing these painters lol!


   
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In the days before the emergence of plastic figures myself and a couple of my mates used to charge the price of the figure to paint it (ie if it cost £5 to buy it it would cost another £5 to have it painted). Obviously with all the plastics out there now you would be on a big loss if you did that these days...
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A lot depends on how well you paint, and how efficiently.

People who are paying to have miniatures painted want to pay for results, not what it takes you to get there. Anyone can spend 100 hours on a figure and make it flawless. Not just anyone can spend 2 hours on the same figure and get the same results. Some people don't make mistakes, other people do, but correct them. The end result is the same, but one clearly takes longer. How does a buyer know which you are, or even care?

I guess, if you want to sell your stuff, your goal shouldn't be setting prices based on how quickly you paint, but rather, setting your prices by what the market will bear for figures of the quality that you paint, and then work to improve your speed to where this can be profitable for you. If you can't justify the amount your work sells for based on the time you put in, then you shouldn't be selling your work.

   
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OK, I don't think there is a fair rate.

The buyer isn't interested in how long it takes you to paint a figure. He is interested in quality and price.

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MajorTom11 wrote:I plan on keeping mine, but for arguements sake, what do you think is a reasonable pay per hour IF it is truly master painted to eavy metal display standard or above?

This is why every painting service I have ever heard of charges by the mini, and not by the hour. Charging per finished products gives you an easily quantifiable definition of cost. You can have a gallery of characters and say, "If you want it to look like this, it'll cost you $80." Saying, "It'll cost you $8 per hour, and probably take me 10 hours" is one thing, but what if you manage to finish in 4, he likes it so much he commissions you to do another. similar model and this one takes 6? What if you got you favorite dvd box set over the holidays and watched it while you were painting, and the resulting distraction meant it took you 16?

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As has been said, there IS NO valid hourly rate.
The rate HAS to be by model to be competetive.

You mentioned something about the Hong Kong painters and how they can do it so inexpensively...

1) Buy at GW wholesale rates.
2) Open your business in a country where, if you pay them $1 US an hour, they're making a mint.
3) Only do basic schemes and colors. Nothing fancy or off the wall.
4) paint to tabletop (or slightly better) standard. Not CMoN 8-9 standard.

That is how they can do it so inexpensively and still make so much profit.

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You don't get paid to paint jobs by the hour.

You want to make money painting? Then you set a reasonable rate, get the job done on or ahead of time, and don't charge an arm and a leg for it.

You commission a job based on your expenses, and a small profit.

For Example, I have a few friends and associates who are premere painters in our area. Several awards, Golden Demons, Awards from Reaper, Yadda Yadda Yadda...
for a job that they would enter into a tournament, competition, etc. they take at least a month or two on the piece. The figure takes between fifty and a hundred hours, sometimes, and i know of one figure that took one of them over a six month period.

For a commission work, depending on the mini, they look at the job, then based off of the amount of work the job will take, they automaticly add in the cost of paints, sometimes some brushes, and the time that the whole job will take, and base a price off of that. Because my friends are art orented, it really doesn't takje them too much thought to come up with a price, based on the work.

I can assure you that there is massive amounts of work to be had, and they don't have to charge out excessive amounts.

Depending on the job, the prep work, discussion, feedback, and the finished product can take from 1 week to 2 months,it also depends on how reasonable one wants to be for the job.

You alluded to the fact that you painted a Space Hulk boxed set. How would you feel about painting 20 of them? What do you think of getting a large boxed set dropped off in front of you and having someone try to haggle off the time that it will really take you to paint the army? Do you take well to critizism, even if you do a good to excellent job on a project? How would you feel about being jerked around on a price? (These are just a few of the issues that someone who paints for a small fee goes through in thier work.)
How would you deal with someone who tried to cheat you out of a job, or didn't pay you for the full job?

You get yourself a set price per the work. say 20 bucks to paint a squad, a hundred per platoon and heros or champions, maybe between 10 and 20 bucks, and if you really feel squirrely, you can go for building and painting a vehicle for 20-30 bucks.

Remember though, once the word gets out, you are going to have people bugging you, hassling you, and sometimes, if you arn't careful, you will have jobs coming out of your back side with more waiting for you with no let up.


The key to being a good painter doesn't have to do with the paint job. It has to do more with time management, reasonable expectations, and being able to get a solid customer base that WANTS your work.

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Depends on the talent thats painting, as that would vary the overall price.




Thats one of victoria lamb's units (won gold) and i stopped looking at it on ebay after it hit around £1,600 for the pictured models.

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Fair enough, you guys are right of course... Was thinking of it in terms of my own speed.

That being said, I still think 600 bucks for this is still a relative steal, compared to how long it would take me personally. This is taking into account cost for the game itself, cost for paint etc, and also that they are at about 50% of the level of detail and blending, not to mention freehand that I would put on them. Still, if i was desperate for a copy with painted minis, but couldnt or wouldnt be able to do them myself, it's a very good deal.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/25mm-Warhammer-40K-DPS-painted-Space-Hulk-Game-KSH100a_W0QQitemZ220525656128QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33585a7840

they are done cleanly, if not too detailed... a lot of the grunt work is done, wouldnt be too difficult to take it up a notch and embellish, and would save a massive amount of time.

Anyways, thanks guys! Very good points and I stand corrected on the 'by the hour' mentality.

   
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I have clubmates who pester me to paint their stuff for them (even though I'm NOT the best painter - I at least have all of mine painted to a decent standard).

They asked me what I charge.

My first one is free. If you like it, I'll charge you for the others.

I charge $25 an HOUR for them. I have to paint my own stuff, and I only get so long to do it (wife can't stand the smell of the paints, and glues are worse so I have to do them when she's out).

This tends to discourage them. I like it that way.

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I've painted stuff up for profit and sold it on Ebay, using DakkaDakka as a way as advertising the mini. I wouldn't even attempt to try to pass my stuff off as 'Golden Demon' standard, but I do advertise it as 'pro painted' as it is apinted to a high standard. I've been asked to paint stuff for people as well. As a general rule, I've charged people per mini, not per hour as you'll never get back a decent hourly rate to make a living off it.

In the past I've charged x2 the value of the model I'm painting, plus the cost of the model if not supplied by the buyer. This includes all prep, build, glues, paints, brushes, basing etc. For Forgeworld stuff, x3 the value of the model to take into account all the extra prep time, Varnishing before undercoating, green stuff and for the fact the stuff fits together crap (putting it mildly!). Using this method, taking into account the amount of time required to do the model, my hourly rate for painting mini's comes out at less than 0.50 GBP per hour! You'll never make a living off it. But, if you enjoy painting, and enjoy the hobby, it can pay for your hobby, which is what I do. When I'm buying a new army or expensive model, I'll by some SM Character models and paint them up to sell on Ebay, to pay for the next big thing I want for myself.

Someone on Dakka asked me to do an entire Demon Army. Working on my pricing method above, it was working out too expensive for them.

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I get paid... $4 per hour... and thats my materials as well,
primer , paint , washes , varnish.

I think im losing more than i make -_-

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I charge by the hour. I can estimate fairly well what a figure will take to paint and give an estimate. I also ask what quality they want.

I've painted 30 man Ork boy units for $100 each to a decent standard. I know I am a fast painter. Generally that is how it works out. Ebay is pretty fickle. ( http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238479.page#694976 )

I sold my Plague furnace for $160 bucks. $40 for the miniature (bought at 30% discount) and 12 hours to paint. I hit my number.
I turned around and sold the grey seer painted in 4 hours for $50. So the entire box netted $210 before shipping. Both these items sold overseas.

Most people ask for a character mini here or there locally. When I ask what standard and they say high... I est. 80 bucks. I usually never hear from then again.

I don't paint for commission but for fun. But I have no problem selling pieces I won't use.



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chromedog wrote:I have clubmates who pester me to paint their stuff for them (even though I'm NOT the best painter - I at least have all of mine painted to a decent standard).

They asked me what I charge.

My first one is free. If you like it, I'll charge you for the others.

I charge $25 an HOUR for them. I have to paint my own stuff, and I only get so long to do it (wife can't stand the smell of the paints, and glues are worse so I have to do them when she's out).

This tends to discourage them. I like it that way.


That's a bit different. You're using it as a way to avoid doing too much stuff for friends without just telling them to buzz off.

To the OP...

If you put the game on eBay of $600 and have got no offers, that is telling you something about the current state of the market for painted sets of Space Hulk.

You are better off to get commissions for specific units than to paint stuff in the hope of selling it. You'll need to paint some pieces 'on spec' to give prospective customers an idea of the style and quality. Make sure to keep good photos of everything you paint, for your portfolio.

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LOL again, not planning/wanting to sell anything... just wanted to hear what you guys thought about the pricing of painted minis in the market these days. SH was just an example!

Thanks though... were i to get bored and sell it down the line, assuming all the criteria i mentioned for it were honest, i would sell the minis off in lots of 3-5, i have concluded its mental to sell more than a 5-10 man unit at once if it is painted above tabletop. Also, as i said, better to charge a flat rate of your own choosing in general, unless people know you personally and are asking directly.

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You mind posting pics of some of these painted models? Just for the sake of eye candy?


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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:You mind posting pics of some of these painted models? Just for the sake of eye candy?


Agreed - you've got me very curious now!
   
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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:You mind posting pics of some of these painted models? Just for the sake of eye candy?


alright alright... as mentioned though, bear in mind these pics are 'in the wild' crappy compact camera, no lighting... just in the cabinet they are temporarily living in. Unfortunately a lot of the deeper shading is lost, or worse, is actually reflecting the flash and is a highlight lol. For example, in the shot of the dead marine, only the left lower leg looks close to what it actually looks like in terms of the red armor.

Will take proper pics in good conditions later as mentioned when i can get a hold of my friends slr with a macro lens... In the meantime, here you go, 4 crappy quality shots lol, hopefully you can forgive the lighting and glare enough to think im not a total bs'er!







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Those are very nice!

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You should never consider charging hourly, just lump sum for the entire project and get all your expenses covered. If you need a new brush, paint, decals, whatever, that's all on them to provide. Likewise, you have to clean, assemble, convert, etc., that's all factored into your price.

You should probably develop some kind of spreadsheet template where you can estimate your labor by tasks and give yourself a per hour rate that works out for a fair end price so you can quote the lump sum price. You can give options for level of effort/quality, but these should be clearly differentiated so that any potential customer knows what to expect.

This industry doesn't lend itself to more than casual income. The best and fastest painters in the world couldn't charge fairly for their time, so you need to look at it from that perspective.

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MajorTom11 wrote:I recently got back into the hobby and purchased SpaceHulk.

For the sake of argument, each one is up to or beyond Eavy Metal or CoolMiniOrNot 8-9 level. (I never submitted to coolmini, but comparing them i can reasonably say they are up there in terms of quality).

Now, I would say I have spent at least 12 hours on each one of them so far, and about 10 hours at least on the door stands and board/counter edging. So when I am finally done with the whole set, it would be realistic to say I spend somewhere in the neighborhood of 400+ hours on the whole thing.

I have seen on ebay that supposedly 'masterpainted' sets are going for 600 bucks or so, maybe as high as 1500 bucks

I plan on keeping mine, but for arguements sake, what do you think is a reasonable pay per hour IF it is truly master painted to eavy metal display standard or above?

First off, good on you for getting back in.

If you're painting at Eavy Metal / CMoN 8+, then submit the pics and give us the links. If they're really 8+, we'll see that soon enough.

Just because it takes you 12 hours doesn't mean a more experienced commercial painter would need 12 hours. Probably 4 or less if they know what they're doing.

All told, a commericial shop might be looking at well under 150 hours. Splitting the price difference at around $900 is like $6+/hr, which isn't too bad, especially for overseas labor / work done off hours. Also, for these things, the paint itself is essentially free.


If I were paying hourly, I'd hire a local college student with an Fine Art Major, Sophomore or Junior. I'd pay standard intership rates of $10 to $12/hr. The difference is that I wouldn't be mixing the hourly with the piece rates. If I hire someone on an hourly basis, I'd expect them to work on an hourly basis. I'd expect the minis to be immaculately prepped & primed within the first week, fully basecoted within the next, and so on. Visible, reportable Daily progress. It'd be a job, and I'd expect it to be treated as such.

   
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JohnHwangDD wrote:


First off, good on you for getting back in.

If you're painting at Eavy Metal / CMoN 8+, then submit the pics and give us the links. If they're really 8+, we'll see that soon enough.


lol, the pics are 2 posts up bud -

I have written 3 times that I am not looking to sell anything, just used my current project as an example... This thread was just to see what you guys thought about the mini market and the going rates... for me, the stuff on ebay that is 'pro painted' is usually barely tabletop.

That, and being 30 now, time is a premium for me with career wife, I was just a little surprised at how cheap some painted minis were... especially for armies... usually it is cheaper to buy the painted armies than to buy new! I kinda figure at worst they have their first layers on, could save time to build from there lol.


   
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Dude, posting the pics on Dakka isn't the same as posting them on CMON. If you're really 8+, then CMON will rate them as such. If you're a 6-7, then CMON will rate that, too.

Also, please re-read my post. Nowhere did I suggest that you were looking to sell.

You were looking for hourly rate information, and that's what I gave.

   
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JohnHwangDD sorry man, just the first bit was to you, the bold and after were just to the general other responses, and even to them no offense was meant, just trying to bring the convo more to if people think the going rates are fair, why or why not etc. (ps the termie drawing in your gallery is awesome, did you do that yourself??)

In retrospect I should have just originally posted the question without the 'i'm working on Space Hulk' example, as in - 'For an 8 rated CMON mini, what do you think is a fair price is all things considered?'

I run a design/marketing studio, so in some small fashion I make a living at selling 'art' or at least visuals and their messages. What prompted this thread was looking through the auctions available on ebay for painted minis, and being pretty shocked at the general lack of quality (as opposed to 5 years ago last time i painted) as well as the extremely low asking prices for what was there, bearing in mind cost of models and time etc. Looking at CMON minis can fetch a better price there, and it is far easier to find high quality pieces, but at the same time I still find it a bit baffling how cheaply some of them go for. As a consumer, it's great... but for those truly talented, unique and masterful painters, I kind of almost feel it's a slight against them to pay them minimum or sub minimum wage for a top mini. Most articles and interviews i've read with masters seem to indicate they spend significant amounts of time on individual minis, i've never read one saying they belted out a display piece in 4 hours. I just hope people don't think this thread was about what I think I deserve for space hulk you know? After all, we have pretty much established if i need cash would probably be more effective to sling fries at mickey d's than to paint mini's for a living!

As to posting on CMON... I'll eventually get my buddy's slr, macro lens and tri-pod and set up a proper diffuse/ambient box for the pics, then I will brave CMON when they are all finished up... whereupon i will either have my ego stoked or my bollocks crushed lol! To be fair, I made the caveat of saying 'for the sake of arguement, they are 8+'

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