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Sat down this morning to Read WD over breakfast, most issues im behind on as ive been loosing intrest and, only read it as a side thing when eating or waiting.
after reading this stadard bearer, what do you think?
is he right?
or a LOON!?

either way thers a implied Dig at internet forums like Dakka intended or otherwise.

Jervis fething lost it, in issue 361 he's sporting sunglasses and a beard.

For those of us who would rather not fork out the money being asked for this month's catalogue, could you explain what the comment and implied dig at internet forums was?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:For those of us who would rather not fork out the money being asked for this month's catalogue, could you explain what the comment and implied dig at internet forums was?

Agreed. It's hilarious what they charge for someone to buy what is, essentially, a commercial for their product line.

Sorry, but I'm still interested to know what the implied slight at online communities was?

Can anyone tell me?

Well being 'implied' it's probably nothing of the sort. Think I've got it on me bed somewhere though.

Could it be, and I quote, where JJ says 'Off the top of my head, things that have come along since I started Wargaming include the Internet with it's great websites and forms (for chatting about the Hobby)

Cor! It's enough to drive you apopletic in rage, like a Daily Mail reader who has just witnessed someone they suspect might be slightly ethnic!

The article itself is about his thoughts on the possible modernisations of the Hobby (electronic battlefields etc) and how he kind of likes the old-fashioned nature of building your soldiers, painting them and having something tangible on your shelf you can be proud of.

I disagree. I think it was a complementry statment

loki old fart wrote:I disagree. I think it was a complementry statment

and then next month he'll say they all suck(again)! i think he's Bipolar!

loki old fart wrote:I disagree. I think it was a complementry statment

I am going to agree with your disagreement.

Has to be something else in there, rather than that...

No, no. Certain members of the community really are that paranoid!

Whole theme of the article is that as great as new stuff is, it's the old-fashionedness of the Hobby, and the levels of commitment and effort required in it that keep it popular, and to take that away leaves it hollow and pointless. Well, kind of. I'm paraphrasing here. But nothing bad is said about the Interwebs (nor has it been in any other article that I've read by him)

Thank you.

/shrugs and goes back to pondering an all Slaanesh WoC army.

@ Hawkins

Now would be a good time to quantify your statement......although, a better time would have been in your opening post!!

Although I have no love for GW or their products, I think its a shame if individuals go out of their way to make GW look bad, based on nothing at all.

So JJ, did he say anything worth mentioning?

You know the thing I find hilliarious as far as jj (aside from the fact that hes one J away from being J jonah Jameson) . If everyone cant stand the drivle he talks about in "standard bearer" then why continue reading it.

I havent read one of his articles for aprox 2 years now since I was a redshirt, all because I know it doesn't have anything worth my time to read. I might skim it from time to time which gives me enough of a gist to not bother any further

If people stopped reading his column they'd find reasons to stop bitching about him and stroking thier own ego.

It's like a horrible accident where someone becomes mangled into hamburger. You know you shouldn't look, you don't want to look but you look anyway because it's impulse.

The ones who dislike or even hate JJ do everything they can to find more reasons to dislike him. It's impulse.

I think there are people out there jealous that his soapbox gets more attention and readers than their own.

And yet, what is at the end of every single Standard Bearer article? A little box out on how to contact the author. He, unlike many online 'personalities' actually invites comment and criticism, whether good or bad. He is inviting you into discourse of a kind. Step up from the hyperbole and inflated opinion of the Interwebs. (And yes, I too am guilty of such things in case anyone feels there are double standards in this post. I'm well aware of my failings)

Absense of evidence (no change to GW procedure due to public demand for change) is not evidence (proof) of absense (people writing into GW). People do write in, nothing changes.

I keep saying this but you never pick up on it. Making people write in by (snail) mail is a well known corporate technique to limit communication between a company and its customer base. It's not an offer it's a barrier.

Still better than a Webforum in terms of feedback. Though I do wonder if complimentary letters get a better response than negative ones?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Still better than a Webforum in terms of feedback. Though I do wonder if complimentary letters get a better response than negative ones?

In regards to webforums, you get what you pay for. GW's forums were full of teenage idiots (no offence intended to younger Dakkaites) because that's the market they have chosen to 'exploit'. If you sell to 12 year olds then you get feedback from 12 year olds. If all he wants is compliments then I should imagine that his 'inbox' is pretty sparse. How can any company adapt or improve on a diet of praise?

You know from your own experiences in retail that if nobody tells you where you are going wrong you cannot fix those problems. Or are your training sessions half an hour of uninterupted blanket praise every week?

George Spiggott wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Still better than a Webforum in terms of feedback. Though I do wonder if complimentary letters get a better response than negative ones?

In regards to webforums, you get what you pay for. GW's forums were full of teenage idiots (no offence intended to younger Dakkaites) because that's the market they have chosen to 'exploit'. If you sell to 12 year olds then you get feedback from 12 year olds. If all he wants is compliments then I should imagine that his 'inbox' is pretty sparse. How can any company adapt or improve on a diet of praise?

You know from your own experiences on the GW 'front line' that if nobody tells you where you are going wrong you cannot fix those problems. Or are your GW training sessions half an hour of uninterupted blanket praise every week?

Except plenty of those "teenage idiots" acted the same way some of the Old Guard at Dakka did.

Every new whine thread that opens on Dakka I see people apparently in their 30's and for a few seconds I wonder if those people aren't lying about their age.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:where JJ says 'Off the top of my head, things that have come along since I started Wargaming include the Internet with it's great websites and forms (for chatting about the Hobby)

I find this hard to swallow given the number of C&D orders GW has issued recently. I guess this is their attempt to say that it didn't happen?

Vulcan wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:where JJ says 'Off the top of my head, things that have come along since I started Wargaming include the Internet with it's great websites and forms (for chatting about the Hobby)

I find this hard to swallow given the number of C&D orders GW has issued recently. I guess this is their attempt to say that it didn't happen?

Or you could remember that WD and Jervis' columns are written and compiled months in advance.

Crazy idea, right?

Not all fan-sites have gotten C&D letters. You can have a fan site without breaking GW IP rules.

Dakka has done it, Portent/Warseer has done it, 40k online, warpshadow. The list goes on.

But yes, lets keep insisting GW is evil because they treat their customers like any other corporation in the world....AS A CUSTOMER and not as a family member.

Wow, shock and awe that to them we are little more than a source of revenue.

Fateweaver wrote:If people stopped reading his column they'd find reasons to stop bitching about him and stroking thier own ego.

Nope! Nice try though.

If you actually took the time to read (tough, I know) you'd realize that most of the people on this thread that want to know what happened DON'T read WD at all.

I call 5 months before a Cease and Desist is sent to Dakka for IP CR infringement.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Could it be, and I quote, where JJ says 'Off the top of my head, things that have come along since I started Wargaming include the Internet with it's great websites and forms (for chatting about the Hobby)

Can't really read into that.

Of course, your quote there is taken out of context. Without the rest of the paragraph it's just words. Not saying you're lying, just saying that context is important.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Cor! It's enough to drive you apopletic in rage, like a Daily Mail reader who has just witnessed someone they suspect might be slightly ethnic!

Calm down Grotsnik. Most of the posts prior to yours were "??? Can someone post the quote" and not "OMG LET'S LYNCH HIM!"

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:... and how he kind of likes the old-fashioned nature of building your soldiers, painting them and having ...

... something to buy.

That's the correct end of the sentence.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I think there are people out there jealous that his soapbox gets more attention and readers than their own.

Yeah. I'm sure that's it.

I've never read WD and I'm just fine, thanks.

sorry i dont want to write out the whole actical. heres the sentance in question it will get you by till i work up the energy to actually type the whole artical out. (dammit why dont people just barrow a copy and read it ?)
'Online interaction is OK, but our hobby is rooted in playing real life games againt real life people, with all the give-and-take and interaction that entails. internet forums and online games dont seam to teach quite the same set of social skills, if you know what i mean'

most of the artical is along the same vain. a prior quote

'one of these things is that you cant play our games strait out of the box. quite the reverse in fact, you have to invest considerable time and energy in learniong the skills needed to play the game. you need to read and learn fairly complex sums and equasions in your head. and you must labourr Really hard to get a nicely painted army and great terrain to play over.'

the whole artical is in this vain.


So MDG, it wasnt the short, lil,statement you quoted witch was more a ' the internet *praise* prequel to the bipolor, internet *bash bash bash* and rib shorts at non GW aspects of the hobby. there is a diffinate 'must be done this way' tone of the artical.

( did i mention i really hate typining out things from mags or books?!?!?)

Hawkins wrote:
'Online interaction is OK, but our hobby is rooted in playing real life games againt real life people, with all the give-and-take and interaction that entails. internet forums and online games dont seem to teach quite the same set of social skills, if you know what i mean'

Yeah... that's a sly poke. So people on forums are socially sub-par. Obviously, they do things like 'disagree' and 'question'...

"if you know what I mean"...
/sly wink,
/flutter fan,
/simpering giggle.

...Yes, very good Johnson, you do know your own GW minions refer to you as Mr Bean due to your monotonous voice, social awkwardness and clumsy antics...