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I like the Ork codex it seems it will be fun to play. I have a question though. What if I don't want to paint my orks Red. What if I want to play my bikes, Blue instead of red. Can I use the "counts as" rule The Blue Paint Job instead of The Red Paint Job. Would you have a problem with this? I just see too many Red Bikes that I want something different.

Also what if I paint my Orks a different colour. Instead of green what about blue orks or even red orks? Again it's for something different. I am asking here, because I want to make shure they are considered Orks even though they are blue or red or what ever colour.

well seeing as you can play "counts as" armies in which you model catachans for an ork army and call them primitive tribe guardsmen... yes you can generally field interestingly painted (and or modeled) armies as long as you maintain consistency and explain everything to your opponent. I've never minded playing a well painted "counts as" army myself, it may make some people pissy though.
In your case, the differently painted ork army won't cause a problem as far as I know with anybody because it's just the paint job. In regards to the "counts as" blue paintjob just make any non paint job vehicles aren't painted blue as well.

There are no rules as to what color your orks must be. But with the "Red ones go fastah" just make sure your opponent knows that in your army "Blue ones go fastah" and it shouldn't be a problem.

Davor wrote:I like the Ork codex it seems it will be fun to play. I have a question though. What if I don't want to paint my orks Red. What if I want to play my bikes, Blue instead of red. Can I use the "counts as" rule The Blue Paint Job instead of The Red Paint Job. Would you have a problem with this? I just see too many Red Bikes that I want something different.

By the letter of the rule, it's only red paint that goes faster.

Using another colour as a 'counts as' red paint job is not too uncommon, though. A lot of Ork players use a different colour to match their army. So long as you explain it to your opponent, and the vehicles with RPJ can be clearly distinguished from those without, you shouldn't have too many problems.

Also what if I paint my Orks a different colour. Instead of green what about blue orks or even red orks? Again it's for something different. I am asking here, because I want to make shure they are considered Orks even though they are blue or red or what ever colour.

There are no rules requiring Ork skin to be painted any particular colour.

insaniak wrote:

Also what if I paint my Orks a different colour. Instead of green what about blue orks or even red orks? Again it's for something different. I am asking here, because I want to make shure they are considered Orks even though they are blue or red or what ever colour.

There are no rules requiring Ork skin to be painted any particular colour.

My gray-skinned orks would be pretty upset if there were such a rule!

insaniak wrote:

Davor wrote:I like the Ork codex it seems it will be fun to play. I have a question though. What if I don't want to paint my orks Red. What if I want to play my bikes, Blue instead of red. Can I use the "counts as" rule The Blue Paint Job instead of The Red Paint Job. Would you have a problem with this? I just see too many Red Bikes that I want something different.

By the letter of the rule, it's only red paint that goes faster.

Fortunately red paint is never defined within the 40k rule set. Nearly anything that could be defined as red paint . Small grot with a sign "DE RED WAGON" or similar clear marking is all that is required

Alternately, paint your stuff whatever color you want, and put red racing stripes or markings on the vehicles you want to go faster.

Tri wrote:Fortunately red paint is never defined within the 40k rule set.

On the other hand, that's the sort of argument that would see entire gaming clubs vow to never play you again, and so should never be used in the real world.

Just leave it as 'These Orks believe that blue is faster than red' and far fewer people will call you TFG than if you start asking for a rulebook definition of 'red'...

insaniak wrote:

Tri wrote:Fortunately red paint is never defined within the 40k rule set.

On the other hand, that's the sort of argument that would see entire gaming clubs vow to never play you again, and so should never be used in the real world.

Just leave it as 'These Orks believe that blue is faster than red' and far fewer people will call you TFG than if you start asking for a rulebook definition of 'red'...

Vs TFG that wants my army painted his way? Next you’ll complain it’s the wrong shade of Red paint … That or there’s not enough. As far as my game group are concerned it just needs to be marked differently to the other none red paint vehicles.

Tri wrote:Vs TFG that wants my army painted his way? Next you’ll complain it’s the wrong shade of Red paint …

Pardon? I'm the one saying paint them whatever colour you want.

All I was pointing out was that making dodgy rules arguments about the definition of 'red' is unnecessary and most likely isn't going to help your case.

I was reading the Ork codex, they believe that blue is a lucky color. With their poor ballistic skills, you need all the lucks that you can get.

The bad moonz could pant themselves yellow and the death skullz could tattoo themselves blue.

BTW I paint all my guns blue for luck.

orkcommander wrote:The bad moonz could pant themselves yellow and the death skullz could tattoo themselves blue.

Bad Moonz are the wealthiest clan, and so generally have the best equipment. So Bad Moonz 'red paint jobs' could just as easily be represented with less ramshackle vehicles and/or bigger engines.

insaniak wrote:

orkcommander wrote:The bad moonz could pant themselves yellow and the death skullz could tattoo themselves blue.

Bad Moonz are the wealthiest clan, and so generally have the best equipment. So Bad Moonz 'red paint jobs' could just as easily be represented with less ramshackle vehicles and/or bigger engines.

That's so true since red is the most expensive paint in the ork community.

How about black and white checks as face paint for the goffs.

Two ways to get arround the RPJ:

Paint the underside of your vehicles red.
Have a grot with a comically oversized sign saying DIZ WONZ WOT GOT RED PAINT! in really small letters

Oh I love about the Ork or Grot carrying a sign saying something about red paint, that is so funny. I love it.

An idea came to me, so how about people who paint thier trucks red or what not, but don't put the upgrade The Red Paint Job, should it be a different colour then? I never thought about other vehicles being red and not having that rule.

Thanks guys for making that clear to me. Just trying to do Orks and Tyranids at the same time, mama mia, so many models, and so much to paint. At least if I get tired of painting 'Nids, I can swith to Orks and vise-versa.

You'll find that most players are rather accepting when you deal with trukks not being painted according to whether you took RPJ. Nobody expects you to repaint your model or buy a new one just to test out a new setup.

"My ova wagon's a red wun!"

And I would agree that as long as the ones which will be using the RPJ rules are clearly distinguisable from the normal vehicles, it should be fine for most people.

I liked the idea of painting it however you want and then add some red racing stripes, or just splash it with red wash to give the blue paint some red highlights, and BAM! the red ones not only go fasta, they also look coola!

Drape a checkered finish line tape along the front grill of the wagon - it got stuck there after it won the last race.

insaniak wrote:

Tri wrote:Vs TFG that wants my army painted his way? Next you’ll complain it’s the wrong shade of Red paint …

Pardon? I'm the one saying paint them whatever colour you want.

All I was pointing out was that making dodgy rules arguments about the definition of 'red' is unnecessary and most likely isn't going to help your case.

... err sorry the earlier post seems more aimed at you then intended, correction below...

Tri wrote:Vs TFG that wants my army painted his way? Next TFG will complain it’s the wrong shade of Red paint … That or there’s not enough. As far as my game group are concerned it just needs to be marked differently to the other none red paint vehicles.

My point is its purely subjective. Take a big shooter and you know what you need. Red paint? well so long as its clearly marked as having it that’s fine, how you mark it is up to you.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Drape a checkered finish line tape along the front grill of the wagon - it got stuck there after it won the last race.

this is unironically awesome

OP: blue green, black, and yellow are all good colours for orcs. just remember that the skintone isnt the end of it. to make em look good you will need to pic complimenting colours for the cloths. dags, etc....

Hrm...

First things first: Bikes have nothing to do with red paint. Red Paint job is a five point wargear upgrade that you may give to vehicles, but bikes aren't vehicles. You can paint your bikes any color you like. In fact, my bikes are PRIMED blue, and painted over the top of that.

Second, Red Paint - not every battle or every army list you bring is going to benefit from your vehicles having red paint job. When your battlewagons are serving as armored troop transports, you want to get your mobs up to the front as fast as possible and red paint is useful. When your battlewagons are serving as firing platforms for burnas, or as a Loota bunker, you don't need red paint. Personally, the wheels on my battlewagons have red-dotted rims/hubcaps. My battlewagons are pretty much painted black though. When I take red paint job, its in my army list, which my opponent gets a copy of, and I point out that each vehicle has red paint.

But ultimately....red paint is irrelevant to the OP's question concerning bikes.

I am moving this to discussions as its not a legal issue and more appropriate there.

Bow before the Frazzle! =p

Ooops, I ment vehicles, but see everyone answered for it anyways. Lots of people here gave me great ideas, and now I am more excited in doing them. Once I am ready for Orks, I will make a new thread on how to make a fun Ork army. Where whould I make this new thread in? I don't think General would be the place.

There are no rules concerning how RPJ is represented.

"But it is called "RED paint job", mate"

OK. I guess I'll buy the "Reinforced RAM" and start to ram too, right? /sarcasm

Steelmage99 wrote:There are no rules concerning how RPJ is represented.

"But it is called "RED paint job", mate"

OK. I guess I'll buy the "Reinforced RAM" and start to ram too, right? /sarcasm

I prefer "So I have to stick armour plated sheep onto my models now?"

Davor wrote:I will make a new thread on how to make a fun Ork army. Where whould I make this new thread in? I don't think General would be the place.

You could try posting in Dakka P&M Blogs if you want to show us your army being created as you go along.