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I figured us WHFB players get so little love these days (especially from FW) that we deserved a new thread.

Firstly, the name. I was told Warhammer Forge would be it, but the guy was not entirely sure. Certainly makes more sense than most things I've read.

Secondly, from the guy I was talking about in the other thread:

AGPO wrote:Grimstonefire asked me to post this here, should be interesting tosee what comes out.

I had a very productive chat with Mark Bedford amongst others at the weekend, who confirmed a few things and also gave some interesting tips.

- There will be a whole seperate division, but it will still fly under the Forge World banner
- There will be regular campaign books, much like the Imperial Armour volumes
- Generic monsters such as the cockatrice may well be making a comeback
- There will be no gap fillers - those wanting Jabberslythes etc will have to wait for BoC phase II
- Skaven will be getting a whole load of attention, with Empire, Orcs, WoC and Dwarfs also getting some stuff
- Mounts that appear for more than one army, such as Griffons are likely high up the production timeline
- Heralds are being discussed
- We could see some VERY BIG things, I'm talking Warhound big

He was fairly tight lipped about some things - eg Chaos Dwarfs (although another designer confirmed to me that they had been discussed) and Rick Priestly's involvement. Most of the stuff is still in the 'it'd be pretty cool to do this' phase. Skaven, the Griffon, supplements and campaign books are more or less certain. One thing he was very firm on is that they won't be producing anything to plug gaps in existing army lists - it will be entirely new stuff and variations on current things.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4526702#post4526702

Bear in mind this is all only rumours.

There may be some more things I can add here that are fairly significant (though the naming of the races they are initially looking at is a good start), but I need to decide what to post.

Some of the things I have heard in the past support this (so it's not a new position).

- Little/ no gap filling
- Wanting to make large fantasy monsters
- Imperial Armour style WHFB volumes.

Oooh, I'll be looking forward to this then.

I am still waiting for some sort of 'official' confirmation of CHAOS DWARFS!

AGPO wrote:- There will be a whole seperate division, but it will still fly under the Forge World banner
- There will be regular campaign books, much like the Imperial Armour volumes
- Generic monsters such as the cockatrice may well be making a comeback
- There will be no gap fillers - those wanting Jabberslythes etc will have to wait for BoC phase II
- Skaven will be getting a whole load of attention, with Empire, Orcs, WoC and Dwarfs also getting some stuff
- Mounts that appear for more than one army, such as Griffons are likely high up the production timeline
- Heralds are being discussed
- We could see some VERY BIG things, I'm talking Warhound big

It seems like all they need to do is add a few sculptors to the mix and ta-da WarhammeryWorldForgeWorld.
The website is easy to use and already has sections for Warhammer armies and Warhammer terrain. I don't know what needs to be bigger than the Greater Demons already produced... anyone know what could fill in the "VERY BIG things, I'm talking Warhound big" quote? I don't begrudge the fantasy fans getting some FW love, as long as it doesn't interfere with 40K...

Everyone that shares the GW hobby should have the opportunity to buy over priced, poorly cast resin models

It would not be giving too much away to say that being a huge CD fan (as you may have guessed from my avatar. Yes, it is suppose to be a CD!), I would not have gone to this and not quizzed people in depth about this.

I heard positive things about FW and CD, but nothing worthy of being 'official'. I'd hardly class myself as a major rumour monger.

Sufficed to say there are a few things that could be said, but for reasons I cannot go into here I cannot post them just yet. When I hear back from certain people on things, I will hopefully be able to post *something* here about them. Either way I will be able to post a diluted version of the conversation at the very least within a week hopefully.

Don't expect WOW though, and don't expect soon. That is a very important point to consider. Somewhere between a cynical 'meh', and a 'ooohh, might be worth saving a little for'.

I'm also not going to be posting specific info on any models in particular, incase anyone is hoping for that. Some of what we discussed was only general musing about what *could* be done. The other thing to note is that the person I spoke to was not a sculptor.

Grimstonefire wrote:It would not be giving too much away to say that being a huge CD fan (as you may have guessed from my avatar. Yes, it is suppose to be a CD!), I would not have gone to this and not quizzed people in depth about this.

I heard positive things about FW and CD, but nothing worthy of being 'official'. I'd hardly class myself as a major rumour monger.

Sufficed to say there are a few things that could be said, but for reasons I cannot go into here I cannot post them just yet. When I hear back from certain people on things, I will hopefully be able to post *something* here about them. Either way I will be able to post a diluted version of the conversation at the very least within a week hopefully.

Don't expect WOW though, and don't expect soon. That is a very important point to consider. Somewhere between a cynical 'meh', and a 'ooohh, might be worth saving a little for'.

I'm also not going to be posting specific info on any models in particular, incase anyone is hoping for that. Some of what we discussed was only general musing about what *could* be done. The other thing to note is that the person I spoke to was not a sculptor.

Given all that, haven't you pretty much just said... something?

True. Maybe I should just call it a day after that? Lol.

long live the dwarves with top hat...
I mean chaos dwarves

It does seem a little weird to brand these so differently, but that's big business for you.

Having reviewed what is suitable for me to say, based on what I was told, I have decided to post everything that I discussed at the FW open day.

There was nothing for WHFB on show, however, the guys there were much more open about projects that they are working on than I had quite anticipated…

Firstly, bear in mind that some of this is only us musing on things, not necessarily that it is what they will do. I have clearly separated this, as it was only a general conversation. Infact, take everything posted here with the required amount of salt, as it is only rumours at this stage.

Secondly, this is all information that was discussed at the FW open day, with the information coming from FW staff. It is not me wishlisting, or cobbling together information from any other source.

Thirdly, after reading this I feel people will have a much better idea of the timescale of Chaos Dwarf releases; what they are likely to get and when. I take no responsibility at all for the accuracy of these rumours, people have to make their own judgements about what they choose to spend money on.

Here is a summary of what we discussed:

O The division may be called Warhammer Forge, but he wasn’t entirely sure on that.

O He did say that there *should* be some WF models for sale this year (don’t hold me to this guys )

O He agreed the Imperial Armour style books would be appropriate for their Warhammer releases. He also mentioned as a passing comment, specifically as part of this conversation on Warhammer IA, the ‘chaos books’… Incase anyone missed that, it is bookS, plural, themed on ‘Chaos’. Sorry if this gets someone in trouble…

O They would not introduce Chaos Dwarfs initially as a full race, rather that they would be phased in.

O The important thing I noted was that he did mention Chaos Dwarf units being done (no units were mentioned in particular, just collectively). Please bear in mind this may have only been him saying they *could* be done.

General musing:

O We talked about the Bull centaurs and how they could be very characterful, which he agreed with

O Masks and scale armour, and his opinion was that they were essentially part of their character, and that although there was not a lot of room for creativity in masks, there was still a lot that they could do.

O He also agreed (as has every FW person I’ve talked to) that the Kollossus would be ideal for them. He said earlier that people play fantasy, but they really want big monsters as they are an important and fun part of the game (or something like that), so it would fit into that aspect I guess.

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My feeling, based on what was discussed with the FW guy is that if they are releasing multiple Imperial Armour style chaos books, they will presumably be themed ones somehow (how would people normally theme chaos things I wonder…?). With the CD providing units & war machines, possibly forming a book on their own at some point when there is a large enough range to form a whole army.

Bear in mind also what AGPO posted above about the races they are initially focusing on. I think they are significant (just a gut feeling), as I’m not sure FW would release any models without rules somewhere, and if they are going with the IA format it is important news I think.

Bear in mind as well that I read over in the 40k thread that there was talk of them possibly doing stand alone IA style books eventually, something that would enable them to do a stand alone Chaos Dwarfs book at some point (possibly years from now).

Does anyone have ANY idea what kind of "Warhound-Big" models they could make for Fantasy?
An even larger Giant?
A Squiggoth?
Maybe a really big siege tower?

Between Chaos Dwarfs, a Warlock variant Titan, upcoming Blood Axe and Badmoon clans, and more Tzeentch and Slaanesh stuff, and Raven Guard...

...ouch.

Call me crazy, but personally I think their stubborn insistence on not filling in gaps is just ridiculous. What is it with GW/FW and their obsession with deliberately leaving holes in the lines?

I don't want new crap that I can't play with in most games, I want cool models to represent codex/army book legal units that either look like ass or have no models for them yet.

and more Tzeentch and Slaanesh stuff

Who said that?

I'll finally be able to finish my CD army!

or maybe I should sell off what I got and start over.

A reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaally big dragon maybe?
This is all very interesting. I'll be watching closely.
Chaos Dwarves are coool.

agnosto wrote:I'll finally be able to finish my CD army!

or maybe I should sell off what I got and start over.

It depends really. I have absolutely no idea when (or if) FW will produce a large range of CD units. So selling off the bulk of an army with no immediate hope of getting things to replace them with would not make sense imo.

War machines, probably the same, especially as there is nothing to say whether FW would completely rewrite their list and drop all the classic ones.

Either way, any OOP models you have you really should hold onto (especially 2nd and 3rd ed, which are already worth their weight in gold!). The price will probably double overnight once FW release things and the hype begins simply because of nostalgia.

All mine are tall hats, I'm not sure what edition...
I can't play the army because a relative lost/stole a good amount of them while I had them stored. I lost an entire undead army too (nagash and everything); I really want to strangle the so and so but...meh.

If they are tall hat ones they are 4th/5th ed.

Which are certainly worth holding onto for now. I've seen standard metal CD warriors going for £5+ each.

The 2nd and 3rd ed ones were the ones in plate armour. Their siege tower (the juggernaut) goes for around $300-$400 I think.

I do like the indie CD codex but finishing the army would be prohibitively expensive at this point, especially if FW doesn't go tall hat. Any clue if they plan on going tall hat?

The guy I spoke to talked only about masks, we didn't actually talk about hats. But based on what I gathered at Games Day UK last year they would not be bringing back hats.

Who knows though, clearly they would want to sell to nostalgia, so there may be the occasional hat.

Thanks for the info; I guess I'll just have to think it over.

Good info, I always said I'd get into WFB if they re-did Chaos Dwarfs. Hope 2011 will be a good year for them.

Models the size of warhounds... Well... I figured the Great Chaos Dragon and WarMammoth were bloody big... I cant imagine much bigger tbh.

Also, on the new FW sight, all the "Experimental rules" have vanished... does this mean anything?

Buttlerthepug wrote:
Also, on the new FW sight, all the "Experimental rules" have vanished... does this mean anything?

Most likely their web designer has a lot of content to migrate.

Sidstyler wrote:Call me crazy, but personally I think their stubborn insistence on not filling in gaps is just ridiculous. What is it with GW/FW and their obsession with deliberately leaving holes in the lines?

I don't want new crap that I can't play with in most games, I want cool models to represent codex/army book legal units that either look like ass or have no models for them yet.

and more Tzeentch and Slaanesh stuff

Who said that?

It's a case of damned if they do, damned if they don't.

IF Forge World filled the gaps, people would cry that they have to buy from Forge World to "get something that should be in the book in the first place!" and if Forge World release something that Games Workshop already makes you get the people who complain "Why did they waste sculpting time with this?!". Personally, I love to see Forge World doing a resin Waywatcher and Shadow Warrior kit. Those models are nice...but they could be so much more "guerilla fighter" and less "We're archers who'll stab you with our swords and hide with our cloaks!".
And if Games Workshop releases something that is very vaguely described(like the Deathstrike Launcher) people will complain that they devoted sculpting time to something that would be better as a conversion anyways.


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Grimstonefire wrote:The guy I spoke to talked only about masks, we didn't actually talk about hats. But based on what I gathered at Games Day UK last year they would not be bringing back hats.

Who knows though, clearly they would want to sell to nostalgia, so there may be the occasional hat.

I far, far, far prefer the "current" Chaos Dwarves that are crewing the Hellcannon to the old big hats. Big hats were okay when there was more silliness afoot, but now it just seems...odd to have things like that.

Leave the hats in the past! I like the chaos dwarves crewing the hellcannon, too.

It's a shame that Chaos Dwarves will be part of GWs uber-expensive resin ranges rather than a regular release army.

RiTides wrote:Leave the hats in the past! I like the chaos dwarves crewing the hellcannon, too.

The CD community seems about equally divided between bighat fans and bighat haters. Personally I like the bighats for their original Babylon/Assyria inspired design and background, while the others are just stunty Warriors of Chaos to me.

Commercially it would be wise to serve both fractions, e.g. by providing heads with and without bighats.

Honestly, if they made something like the helms you see on the High Elf infantry and Dark Elf infantry...I could see something about that size being Chaos Dwarf-ified.

yeah,

Howard A Treesong wrote:It's a shame that Chaos Dwarves will be part of GWs uber-expensive resin ranges rather than a regular release army.

I think it would be well placed as a FW army, some people really like the elitist aspect of collecting a DKoK army, and It gives us something to have serious thought about collecting, making the hobby that little bit more grown up again.. which I like.
Plus it's a good test bed to see if there really is the community support for Chaos Dwarfs?
Also It'll be interesting to see how official a FW only ArmyList is? If they are accepted into tourneys ect...
If a DKoK player want to use his army in the throne of skulls he has to use it as 'counts as guard', he can't use the IA lists.

Maybe they'll change the logo to something more generic to both worlds... Something to do with actual forge activities.
Like the fiery cogs in HellBoyII, the LionsGate logo intro or the DooM logo
It would be about time too as the current logo is a bit out of date.

Panic...