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Just Kidding, but I've played two games with him and he smashes everyone, the invulnerable save isn't turning out to be a very big deal yet, as he kills everything before it gets to hit back. All his powers, including transfixing gaze make him insane, when you get all the rolls you are rerolling to hit and wound, moving twelve inches and fleet, and str10, initiative 7 etc etc etc ohh 6 attacks on the charge.

He has been cleaning up!!

So has anyone had him get killed yet? Or just had a bad time with him?

He is great..until you face an Eldar player with Runes of Warding or Nids with their anti-psychich ability....then he goes splat

Alerian wrote:He is great..until you face an Eldar player with Runes of Warding or Nids with their anti-psychich ability....then he goes splat

Are you saying that from experience or is that just your theoretical analysis?

No...he's great...until he gets shot to death because he has no invulnerable, can't join units, and has no eternal warrior.

Or the Swarmlord stomps on him...or or or or or

Or or or? Uh thats really about the extent of his issues. Keep him behind a rhino or IN A RHINO and he's a lot more survivable then you might think

Again, swarmlord goes back to my response to every mephiston bashing post.. He moves 12 + d6" if he gets into unfavorable combat with a unit that moves 6" you're playing him wrong

My lists consist of 2 assault squads in rhinos and 1 tactical squad with an empty rhino. A priest goes with 1 assault squad and mephiston hops in the other rhino (or I use it for an assault squad if theirs dies)

If you need the rhino for a tactical squad then you just run him BEHIND the rhinos not infront. He's not a MC, he gets cover saves and is EASY to hide out of LOS.. Then he jumps out and kills something in a strategic fashion.. not in a brain dead matter

Yes hes weak vs runes of warding.. what isnt? Play smart and hes easily one of the most destructive characters in the game and yes the swarmlord does beat him due to bone swords..

Kirasu wrote:
Again, swarmlord goes back to my response to every mephiston bashing post.. He moves 12 + d6" if he gets into unfavorable combat with a unit that moves 6" you're playing him wrong

He moves 12+d6" IF you pass your psychic test for wings... against Nids/Eldar/Wolves this might be an issue.

Heh, it's not just Wolves, Vanilla SMurfs have a hood too, or has everyone forgetten about them by now .

DH, WH, Dark Eldar have something if it still works this edition...

SlimPickens wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
Again, swarmlord goes back to my response to every mephiston bashing post.. He moves 12 + d6" if he gets into unfavorable combat with a unit that moves 6" you're playing him wrong

He moves 12+d6" IF you pass your psychic test for wings... against Nids/Eldar/Wolves this might be an issue.

Not to mention the IG. PBS has a 36" range on Weaken Resolve; reduce Meph to a drooling vegatable and pin his ass with barrage fire.

You don't have to kill something to render it ineffective.

Alternatively, use a Callidus' neural shredder instead to mindcrush him after the PBS does the voodoo that it does so well.

Mindcrush? Voodoo?
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I love it!

I fought him with my Nid against an old gaming buddy. He hit my warriors and got boned to death while being lashwhipped. I made a lot of S&M jokes. He's an MC with no Invon and no EW on a small base.

Okay so he's really good against chaos marines since they have no anti-psychic defense.

Vanilla what?

I can't imagine him getting shot to death. You'd need bunch of AP2 weapon shots and the only instant death he is afraid of is the special weapon kind since he is T6. And who is going to leave him standing out in the open?

"Are you saying that from experience or is that just your theoretical analysis?"

^^^^^^This right here, anyone besides the sexiest hero have any real experience or are you just citing possible problems?

Psyker battle squads do that vs anyone..

Due to BA speed you should be in range with his own psychic hood.

Generally his speed should protect him from shadow of the warp on a slow moving target

Again, if hes in a transport most of those options arent very useful and all of them are pretty non-mephiston specific :p Play him smart and he'll do great.. play him dumb and yeah he'll die to random stuff

He still dies if you whack him enough.

Cheese Elemental wrote:He still dies if you whack him enough.

Sounds like every other character to come out in a codex this year!

Kirasu wrote:Psyker battle squads do that vs anyone..

Due to BA speed you should be in range with his own psychic hood.

Generally his speed should protect him from shadow of the warp on a slow moving target

Again, if he's in a transport most of those options aren't very useful and all of them are pretty non-mephiston specific :p Play him smart and he'll do great.. play him dumb and yeah he'll die to random stuff

Yeah, but since Weaken Resolve is a psychic power and not a psychic shooting attack, you can move the Chimera 12" and still use it, so Mephistopholol can't keep up, at least not if you screening the transport.

I think id suicide squad 5 sternguard in a drop pod on his ass. 10 shots wounding on 2s outta do it right?

ZZZZapp gun maddness
Or a 12 on a SAG.

Hehe or lots and lots of AP2.

mattyrm wrote:I think id suicide squad 5 sternguard in a drop pod on his ass. 10 shots wounding on 2s outta do it right?

if your talking special ammo shots then no because he has a 2+ save and 5 wounds. If you mean plasma shots then you wound him on 3+ and on decent rolls yes you probably will kill him.

rdlb wrote:Okay so he's really good against chaos marines since they have no anti-psychic defense.

Vanilla what?

I can't imagine him getting shot to death. You'd need bunch of AP2 weapon shots and the only instant death he is afraid of is the special weapon kind since he is T6. And who is going to leave him standing out in the open?

"Are you saying that from experience or is that just your theoretical analysis?"

^^^^^^This right here, anyone besides the sexiest hero have any real experience or are you just citing possible problems?

Haven't played Tau, have you? He jumps around, maybe munches a unit of kroot then gets plasma rifled and fusion blastered to death with markerlight support removing any cover saves you're trying to give him. With no invuln save, he'd be easier to kill than a daemon prince and I've killed plenty of those.

Hmmmm, Tau can pretty much sequentially call in plasma suit squads can't they...

But you don't have to run him like the Death Company. He can bide his time until the opportunity is right, and easily deny LOS behind buildings, etc.

Also, I found out I can't use Transfixing Gaze against Demon Princes because they are monstrous creatures, and transfixing gaze is only for IC. Oh well:(

Killed him today.
1 wound by zapp gun, 1 wound by badrukk, 1 wound by SAG, 2 wounds by perils. Units sacrificed: One Boys mob of 25, one SAG Mek (I ran 2.)

Memphiston is a balanced character.

A ton of offensive ability, the capacity to take on small squads by his lonesome, and a great deal of initiative and strength is balanced by no invuln, lack of IC and non-eternal warrior.

However, he is broken at 500pts. Not enough guns to kill him without taking an anti-memphy list. Except maybe with guard...

If 5 whip&sword shrykes can kill dante and a gang of singuinary guard +priest, they sure as heck can take this guy too

Edit: And to add more substance to my post, even if he does charge them, instead of them him, they still get 15 attacks that ignore armor in before he gets to strike. Plus they have shadow in the warp.

Only played against him once: He slowly ate a full SoB squad over the course of about 3 turns but finished them off in his own assault phase. My next round of firing squished him (Exorcist missiles ftw).

He's a bit of a pain, what with his potentially massive threat radius. If i'd been a bit cleverer with my movement, I think i'd have got a couple of squads to rapid fire him to death. As it was, i just went all invulnerable after the first round of combat and did my best to let him wipe the squad in his own turn.

Hehe. I killed Dante with a single Powerclaw.

Mephiston sounds great on paper. You cast all these powers and he is a combat powerhouse. You will take a Librarian anyway for the psychic hood so his cost is not as high as you think it is.

Mephiston loses much of his effectiveness when he runs into opposing psychic hoods and doesn't get off all his goody powers to make him superman.

Mephiston does get stomped by the usual Assault Terminators with Thunder Hammer Stormshield who probably have a Land Raider so may be able to counter Mephiston.

Mephiston does not make the army. Properly supported Mephiston probably works very well but sending him in alone will get him killed.

Yep and so it goes with every powerhouse special character. It's a good thing that Tau special characters are so terrible because we've learned to live without them.

i have the squad of flamers in my demon list ready for him

So... you have 10 flamers who will all DS close enough to reach him with the template?

the_ferrett wrote:Killed him today.
1 wound by zapp gun, 1 wound by badrukk, 1 wound by SAG, 2 wounds by perils. Units sacrificed: One Boys mob of 25, one SAG Mek (I ran 2.)

So...Mephiston really killed himself?

I think the only power he really needs to work every time is Wings of Sanguinius, the Str 10 and reroll to hit are awesome of course, but his biggest asset is his speed. He's still hitting at S6 I7, 6 attacks with a force weapon.

Maybe run Corbulo so you can reroll a psychic test for wings if you need to, but he is expensive, AND STILL CAN"T TAKE A JUMP PACK!! Because of his refusal to cooperate I clamped him in a bench vise last night and used a dremel to saw off his awesome grail and exsanguinator combo and give it to someone who can use a jump pack! ...end rant