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(April 24) -- A homeless man who was stabbed while saving a woman from a knife-wielding attacker lay dying in a pool of his own blood for more than an hour while several New Yorkers walked past without calling for help.

Surveillance video obtained by the New York Post shows that some passers-by paused to gawk at Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax early Sunday morning and yet kept on walking.

One man came out of a nearby building and took a cellphone photo of the victim before leaving. Another leaned over and vigorously shook the dead man before walking away. But most people never stopped.

Firefighters arrived more than an hour and 20 minutes after Tale-Yax collapsed. By that time, the 31-year-old was dead.

"They needed to help and call the police. I don't get it," resident Ramon Bellasco, 46, told the Post.

The incident happened at 7:21 a.m. almost a week ago at 88 Road and 144th Street in the borough of Queens, but police didn't have a clear idea of what happened until recently.

Tale-Yax is seen on the grainy video approaching a man who was threatening a woman with a knife. The man turned and stabbed Tale-Yax but most of the action is out of the security camera's field of vision. Both the stabber and the woman then fled in different directions and Tale-Yax stumbled a few paces before collapsing face-down on the sidewalk.

Within a minute or so, the first of a long series of people begins walking by Tale-Yax without going to his aid.

Police told the Post they received four 911 calls at around the time of the attack reporting a woman screaming, but found nothing. They said they received no other 911 calls.

The incident is reminiscent of the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese, also in Queens, in 1964. In that case, dozens of people witnessed some or all of the attack and yet no one did anything to stop it.

No arrests have been made in the latest slaying, and police have been unable to identify the woman Tale-Yax was trying to help.

Jesus H that's just depressed the gak out of me.

MGS said it, mate.

Unbelievable. Wish I had been there.

I have been to NYC a number of times...this does not surprise me, as much as I am a born and bred city boy, I can't stand most of the residents...

most big cities are like this...

it's too much of a burden to help another, it seems...

and people think war will end this world...


what a nice man. may he rest in piece, he will receive his retribution wherever he is.

What the hell is wrong with these people? Does life hold that little value to them?

IF they aren't medically trained, the least they could do is call someone who is.

They should arrest all those people. Oh, and the woman needs a punch to the head, some one saves your fething life and you run away? What a bitch.

As a former "homeless man" myself, I can say from experience that nobody wants to go out of their way to care about you AT ALL. Moreso in dense populated areas, where you can just walk on and assume it's the next person's problem. I saw a guy get beat down on a subway train with about 90 people on it when I was in NYC and nobody near him did anything. I was at the far end of the train and there wasn't anything I could do but yell because of so many people in the way pretending not to notice. Not right. Not right at all. Tack on 'homeless scumbag' and people are doubly prone to ignore your plight for fear that you might be asking them for change. "No ma'am, I asked you for the TIME, not a DIME"... oh well... walk away.

Before I lived in 'The City' (as the locals so proudly refer to it) I had never seen so much paranoia in a clumped population. 90 people on a subway car all riding in absolute silence because they are too scared that the guy next to them might be nuts or a terrorist or the crazy old alzheimers lady with 3 guns in her purse just in case a person of color stands next to her, and so on.

I'm not surprised at all. What I can say, to anyone who cares, is that a lot of the homeless refuse of society are some of the best people I have ever known and truly care about other people, and they deserve respect for toughing it out in their difficult lives, not scorn for being 'losers' by society's standards. I know. I've been there.

Yea, I know a few homeless people. And they all choose to remain like that because their fed up with society.

I was a homeless worker and can appreciate what happened here. homeless will often help someone when others wont, they see what is on the street and also have no pretention or for that matter not much to lose.

The city owes him a decent burial.

Something else the city needs to do.

Find out who that woman is and the man who took pictures. I can forgive those who walked by, they wont be able to tell the difference between a dying man and a man out of his tree on booze and the latter is rather dangerous to approach. The questions that need answering are, was he calling out for help and was there a blood pool. If he wasnt then most reactions are acceptible. Some homeless are so far gone that homeless workers think twice about approaching them, so we cannot really critique passers by.

As for the man who took the photos and shook him up, well just maybe he thought he had good reason, a drunk collapsed outside his shop would piss a lot of people off, but maybe he was ghoulish, we don't know. But he does need some explaining to do.

As for the woman who called for help then ran away. Chances are the guy with a knife to her is someone she knew, a genuine victim of a random mugging would have gone to the police. She sounds to me like the sort of woman who wants help with her boyfriend who is rough with her, then turns on a sixpence when you approach and offer aid to what looks like a victim. Or even turn on you when you try and step in. I have met this sort too many times and learned to walk away, it's a chance you take when you step forward when you see or hear a woman in distress. Either way she should at least have called the police when she ran away at a minimum, panic is an immeidate but not long term excuse.

I hope the press finds her. I hate gutter press but sometimes they can do a public service. Her name deserves to be mud and her face deserves to be recognised worldwide via the internet. People will stare at her in the street and point her out and whisper as she passes, maybe after a few months of that she might be sorry, if at first only for herself. At least it might act as an object lesson for selfish women everywhere who play with fire and expect people around them to step in and pay the price.

Read the first line of that article again for your blood question.

I didn't think I needed to educate people here in the need to be careful with reading the press or tell you it isn't the same as you see in the cop TV shows or the movies..

Soladrin wrote:Read the first line of that article again for your blood question.

A poetic description that says nothing. If the pool was under him it might not have been visible, with a stab wound through a shirt or in the back this is not unlikely, the shirt would have been soaked and the blood will have leaked down. You CAN receive nasty wounds and have people not notice, it is a big problem with homeless who are stabbed to death by sickos in their sleep. Sometimes you cannot tell between a homeless who has been stabbed and dying and one who is blotto on drugs and a real mess of his own accord.

How does, "in a pool of his own blood" look other then what it says there...?

Yep just seen the video, and read some press reports.

One press report describes people walking past Tale-Yax in his 'death throes', the victim was lying still.

The pool of blood was under him and not visible, is he was alive when passers by approached him he would be indistinguishable from someone who had too much.

The man who shook the body looked like he wanted to help wake him up saw the blood and likely noticed he was dead and walked away. That is not unreasonable if he feared it might be a gangland killing. He didnt go through the victims pockets. He has nothing to be ashamed about, it looks very much like he was trying to help.

The scum taking photos on his camera, well what do we expect.

Also the woman is likely believed to be known to her assailant according to police, but the press still call it a robbery intervention, also she would have seen multiple stab wounds in the front which could only have happened on his approach to save her. So she knew what happened alright, and plenty of witnesses reported her screaming for help and fleeing. we cant criticise them because the victim also ran away to escape his attacker and ran some distance before succumbing to his wounds. To witnesses of the ininial assault it might look like he got away.

Find the woman expose her, make her a public pariah. She will haved no choice but to give her friend/attacker/pimp up, put him inside for a long time.

Wow. fethed up, man.

Soladrin wrote:How does, "in a pool of his own blood" look other then what it says there...?

Because the press sensationalise, you have to read multiple accounts. It doesnt have the same headline to say people walked past a man who looked like a collapsed homeless drunk but was actually a have a go hero who had been stabbed and was quietly dying. No they say something like: people callously walked past a hero who was in his death throes and lying in a pool of his own blood.



You put a couple of pieces of A4 paper on the floor and call that a pool of blood, then lie down on it. Noone can see the paper, but you are still lying on your 'pool of blood'. remember clothing acts as a sponge. a blood pool from a pool the size of a couple of pieces of paper is more than enough to simulate a bleeding out wound. Ask some of the soldiedrs here, youn can bleed out from very small looking injuries and the bloodpool need not look anything like a huge red puddle.

What the hell is wrong with the world today? Seriously is it that much of a problem to help someone out for a minute or so? Im sure you boss will be ok with you being late because you tried to help someone out. That gak just pisses me off

I heard about that. This guy on fox news tried to defend it. He said that it it like a defense that they didnt want to get attacked them selves. Stupid. I think its hoe people see homeless. In a world were there are abundance of resources people see homeless people as a remeinder of nothing. It is so sad. i would at least stay there with him while i call the police or something.

KingCracker wrote:What the hell is wrong with the world today? Seriously is it that much of a problem to help someone out for a minute or so? Im sure you boss will be ok with you being late because you tried to help someone out. That gak just pisses me off

"Today"?

This is nothing new in US cities. Look up Kitty Genovese.

Kanluwen wrote:

KingCracker wrote:What the hell is wrong with the world today? Seriously is it that much of a problem to help someone out for a minute or so? Im sure you boss will be ok with you being late because you tried to help someone out. That gak just pisses me off

"Today"?

This is nothing new in US cities. Look up Kitty Genovese.

Exactly.

Unfortunatly the "it's not my problem","don't get involved" frame of mind is nothing new.

This does make me quite sad. This poor man bled to death and no-one had the common courtesy to call 911.

What a disgusting group of individuals.

Somebody called, but I doubt a homeless man bleeding to death on the streets is a big priority for EMS crews.

Eh, I probably wouldn't have stopped. I might have looked, but I don't think I would have seen anything anyways from what Orlanth says. And i do not want to talk or associate with homeless people. We have a meth clinic across the street from my high school, those people are freaking scary and fethed up.

From the video there isn't "a pool of blood" at all. Perfectly understandable why someone obviously homeless would get passed by laying on the sidewalk (which is where they usually are).

Do all of you check each and every homeless person laying on the sidewalk for puncture wounds? In most major cities you'd never get anywhere (and probably get stabbed yourself).

The guy who took a picture needs to be arrested. I'm sure they could charge him with something. Taking a picture of a dying guy and then just walking away. WTF?

Well, if they don't look like the drug addict type homeless, I usually stop to talk with them. Their often very interesting people.

Then again, our homeless problem doesn't come near to what you guys have.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:From the video there isn't "a pool of blood" at all. Perfectly understandable why someone obviously homeless would get passed by laying on the sidewalk (which is where they usually are).

Do all of you check each and every homeless person laying on the sidewalk for puncture wounds? In most major cities you'd never get anywhere (and probably get stabbed yourself).

From what i heard a man lift his head up and saw him in a pool of blood. then walked away doing nothing.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:From the video there isn't "a pool of blood" at all. Perfectly understandable why someone obviously homeless would get passed by laying on the sidewalk (which is where they usually are).

Do all of you check each and every homeless person laying on the sidewalk for puncture wounds? In most major cities you'd never get anywhere (and probably get stabbed yourself).

I get what your saying,my girlfriend and myself are both from "urban areas" (Brooklyn & New Orleans),and of course no one "checks" each random homeless person for stab wounds.
However in the video clip,one individule clearly turns the victiam over and shakes him,and then walks on.
Now,I would assume that it would be obvious to that individule that "something" was clearly wrong with the fallen man,yet he still walks off.
IMO that is clearly a "I don't want any part of this" situation.

Guitardian wrote:I'm not surprised at all. What I can say, to anyone who cares, is that a lot of the homeless refuse of society are some of the best people I have ever known and truly care about other people, and they deserve respect for toughing it out in their difficult lives, not scorn for being 'losers' by society's standards. I know. I've been there.

Having been there myself, I can completely disagree with you. There are many complicated situations within the lives of many homeless people, but the best people I have met in life, were not homeless at the time. Even the best of us can make really stupid decisions, and I would be lying to myself if I actually thought a lot of the people I knew, actually cared about anyone but themselves while homeless. You may find pockets of friendship, but most times people are out to feth you over, and simply pass the concept of being worthless further into societies psyche.

I have met one or two really good people when living on the streets, and both of them had basically snapped, and lost the ability to be reasonable. Life sucks quite a bit, and it happens to suck a whole lot more when you are homeless in any large city. Most people who are homeless for a long period of time, just give up altogether, as expected. I also would not consider most homeless people losers, but it is beyond me to consider most of them good people, simply because one man tried to protect a lady who probably didn't deserve the help. I don't consider most people good or bad, just people, doing people things.

If society is reliant on the least capable of them to take care of problems, there are serious issues within it.

Here is the video... the grainy, low quality, black and white, hard to completely understand video. It is near the middle of the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/24/hugo-alfredo-tale-yax-doz_n_550854.html