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Imagine a conglomerated nation-state or regional hegemony on the North America continent where the United States, Mexico, Canda, Central America and the Caribbean all existed under one state akin to the European Union.

What would you think this would look like and what it would entail for it to occur? Or if you don't think it would occur, why not?

Because there is no compelling reason or benefit for the countries to do it.

US and Canada maybe, but you'd have to have that compelling reason first.

Everything else? The difference in power, infrastructure, development et al is simply too large a gap. What exactly would compel Canada to want to join with Haiti or Guatemala in a EU style arrangement?

That and due to immigration problems we might as well count Mexico as part of the US anyway.....

Slarg232 wrote:That and due to immigration problems we might as well count Mexico as part of the US anyway.....

Technically that would solve every immigration problem instantly.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:That and due to immigration problems we might as well count Mexico as part of the US anyway.....

Technically that would solve every immigration problem instantly.

Well, not every one, but all of the ones involving mexico, yes.

WarOne wrote:Imagine a conglomerated nation-state or regional hegemony on the North America continent where the United States, Mexico, Canda, Central America and the Caribbean all existed under one state akin to the European Union.

What would you think this would look like and what it would entail for it to occur? Or if you don't think it would occur, why not?

I would go to war with that state, instantly.

Problem with the EU is that it started as a free trade organisation and somewhere in the 80's it morphed into a pan european government.

In terms of Free trade I think it would be a good idea.
In terms of a political union, it would be hard to see.

US and Canada would be less likely than a significant grouping of the Carribean islands or the central american countries.

WarOne wrote:Imagine a conglomerated nation-state or regional hegemony on the North America continent where the United States, Mexico, Canda, Central America and the Caribbean all existed under one state akin to the European Union.

What would you think this would look like and what it would entail for it to occur? Or if you don't think it would occur, why not?

No thanks. Been proposed been talked about, don't want it and don't need it.

National identity tends to follow common language, so a union between the current USA and Canada would probably be easier than a union with Mexico.

OTOH, so many US citizens now speak Spanish, that a union with Mexico couldn't be ruled out on those grounds.

1812 part two?

2012 -- the Bicentennial!

Yea cause the EU is working out oh so perfectly right? I dont like the idea of other countries having a say so in what our country does. And dont bring in the fact that China practically owns us, thats not what Im talking about.

If you look back to 1860 you find that at that time there was a strong feeling in the USA that the union was not working out so perfectly.

Somehow those differences were resolved, more states were added, and eventually the union came to the state of perfection it enjoys today.

The same could happen in the EU.

Kilkrazy wrote:If you look back to 1860 you find that at that time there was a strong feeling in the USA that the union was not working out so perfectly.

Somehow those differences were resolved, more states were added, and eventually the union came to the state of perfection it enjoys today.

The same could happen in the EU.

Those differences where resolved only with the bloodiest war the Americas has ever seen.

Are yo saying the EU is about to have a civil war?

European Union is not a state. It's just easy bussines between neighbours.

Erasoketa wrote:European Union is not a state. It's just easy bussines between neighbours.

And yet it functions like a state.

sA

I say absolutely not.

Canada and the US might benefit each other from it.

However Mexico would offer next to nothing and gain so much in return.

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Like they do now Shivan? LOL.

I think Mn should annex Manitoba that way whenever I want to vacation into Canada I won't need a passport. Hell, we'll even let you keep claiming it as part of Canada though we won't allow the ridiculous taxes you currently pay in that province and of course our state gun laws will naturally take precedence in Manitoba.

In the south we should set up an Omaha Beach type border between us and Mexico. Razor wire, MG-42 nests every 30 yards and mortars 300yds inland to soften up the illegals before they hit the MG-42 nests. That should deter illegals trying to sneak across.

As much as I would personally like to see this happen. There is no way it will happen in our lifetime, unless a crisis of unparalelled magnitude strikes. USA and Canada are just too far apart in political ideology to have this ever happen.

USA and Mexico is more of a possiblity.(Although probably never happen)

GG

Meh just make a volunteer group of texans who are allowed to apprehend and hold the illegals trying to cross the border ( at the border) until someone arrives to cart them off.

There would have to be background checks, legal stuff, and papers to sign but i bet enough people would sign up to secure the border.

Given the trade conditions in NAFTA are already in place, what else would be gained by removing further boundaries between the countries?

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If you look back to 1860 you find that at that time there was a strong feeling in the USA that the union was not working out so perfectly.

Somehow those differences were resolved, more states were added, and eventually the union came to the state of perfection it enjoys today.

The same could happen in the EU.

Those differences where resolved only with the bloodiest war the Americas has ever seen.

Are yo saying the EU is about to have a civil war?

We did that in 1914-18 and 1939-45. That's the main reason we have the EU now.

I think a united world is a good idea, but if that is just a utopian dream I would actually prefer smaller countries than bigger ones. From the United States citizen's perspective they stand little to gain from either of their neighbors. Canada is just our small quiet nation above us that we just kind of ignore, because despite its physical size, it is pretty tiny in population, and we simply don't care what they are doing up there.

Mexico would just be further drain on economy since the peso is so poor as it is. It would also cause racial tensions escalating and religious tensions I would think. Look at what's happening in Arizona for instance.

A lot of Mexicans are devout Catholics, which means a HELL of a lot of kids that are suddenly needing care, and deserving it like every sensible American who is responsible enough to only have a couple of them. It would have to downgrade our entire lifestyle to have to deal with so many little kids. I already resent the walmart moms around here for getting their fat government payoffs for their fat asses just for not keeping their fat thighs shut, and feeling entitled to it and just take it for granted, while I, an unmarried male and not a father have to shell out the taxes for their flatscreen TV they buy themselves the moment they get their welfare check (yes I know a girl who did this). Adding a nation of families-of-twelve would seriously drive me nuts with anger. I don't mind Mexicans at all, as a people, they are quite nice. I just don't like when people have kids they cannot afford to support and therefore it becomes my problem. I like it even less when my tax burden is caused by the insistance of their imaginary friend that they can't use birth control.That's why Mexico is out. Too many kids to feed.

Personally I already pay enough to support deadbeats and single moms on wellfare around here, I don't need the extra burden of needing to clean up Mexico city and feed even more poor people who live in the desert. We have more than enough land as a nation as it is (ever been through Wyoming?).

To tell you the truth, I have always thought that the Confederacy should have been allowed to seceed. Smaller countries can't be bullies. They would have eventually gotten around to the slave issue (like maybe like by like 1968 as was the case with the oh-so progressive Northern states?) Sorry. Call me sarcasto.

Guitardian kinda summed up what i think of universal healthcare and welfare in one post. i asked a 22 year old having her 3rd or 4th kid if she considered birth control. im a nurse

Her answer i gak you not was

"I get more money if i have more kids"

Thats what is wrong with welfare ladies and gents!

If Canada andf Mexico adopted the US Constitution and government style just like every other US territory then broke into new states in the Union I'd be more onside. It'd be about a 20 year process.

Fateweaver wrote:
In the south we should set up an Omaha Beach type border between us and Mexico. Razor wire, MG-42 nests every 30 yards and mortars 300yds inland to soften up the illegals before they hit the MG-42 nests. That should deter illegals trying to sneak across.

You know that beach was crossed eventually, right? That ground was eventually taken?

I'm confuzzled. Shivan and Guitardian acknowldege welfare queens exist but others like Dogma and Shuma say they don't. Me thinks Dogma and Shuma are wrong. LOL.

At least making Mexico part of our country it would get rid of mexican illegals but what would they have to offer us? More weed? More people leeching the welfare system?




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malfred wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:
In the south we should set up an Omaha Beach type border between us and Mexico. Razor wire, MG-42 nests every 30 yards and mortars 300yds inland to soften up the illegals before they hit the MG-42 nests. That should deter illegals trying to sneak across.

You know that beach was crossed eventually, right? That ground was eventually taken?

It's a better solution than what we have now.

I think they believe they exist but are the exception not the norm.

However i have seen enough of them come through the ER to know that there are a lot more of them then others want to believe.

Frazzled wrote:If Canada andf Mexico adopted the US Constitution and government style just like every other US territory then broke into new states in the Union I'd be more onside. It'd be about a 20 year process.

I think they would have to.

Both countries are already divided into provinces or states which could easily be incorporated into the US system. It would mean a serious dilution of 'native' US citizen's voting power, of course. Mexico has a pretty big population.

As an alternative scenario, how about handing Texas back to the Mexicans, Louisiana to the French and the 13 colonies to the UK?

@Shivan. I hear ya. We are surrounded by 2 reservations and the number of NA's getting free health care because we somehow OWE it to them is probably a ratio of 50:1, factor in the caucasian deadbeats and it's like 75:1. Same goes for our Walmart. The Walmart in my city would probably go bankrupt if the peoples from the 2 reservations surrounding us stopped shopping there. Sure there are lots of caucasian folk that shop there (me included) but we are still outnumbered 50:1 at least and when it comes to abusing the hand outs and entitlements lets just say the NA's do it best.

@KK. You mean I'd get ugly teeth and have to speak with a crappy accent. No thanks. Oh, and lose my gun rights. Naw, I like it here in America. TYVM.