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Hi,

just for completeness: Parallel to the release of the new 8th edition Warhammer starter box, GW is also updating their starter paint sets for each of the 3 systems, each with 8 paints (updated selection, new pots), starter brush, small painting guide and some miniatures (10 Night Goblins, 5 Space Marines or 12 Moria Goblins). BTW there will be no more Warhammer Starter Box that includes paints, as already done in 40k.


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=&prodId=prod920008a


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The SM set I understand, Fits in with the AoBR set for beginners.
Not sure about Moria gobbos, but Night Goblins?

Didn't GW just discontinue Skull Pass for IoB?
Rats or HE's would have made more sense

Yes, this is a bit odd. GW asks the stores to use Clan Rat and High Elf Spearmen sprues for test painting.
But at least the Fantasy colour selection now makes sense.

BTW, all sets are for preorder now, release 4th September together with the starter box.

Ok so the new paint pots have clear lids. Odd...

But sadly the 40K one does not contain Devlan Miracle. What gives?

What is 'Undercoat Black' is this a different product to 'Chaos Black' and if so how?

undercoat black is more pigmented then chaos.
otherwise, no difference.

So, are all paint pots changing their looks, to be more fitting with the current wash and foundation set then?

George Spiggott wrote:What is 'Undercoat Black' is this a different product to 'Chaos Black' and if so how?

Seconded. Why in the bloody hell isn't there a Black Foundation paint? I'm sure there's some 'make-em-buy-black-primer' money-making scheme behind it, but I'd love to hear the reasoning.

IIRC I was talking about this with someone a while ago, the 'undercoat black' is sort of a foundation black i.e. chaos black but with stronger pigment for undercoating.

Captain Solon wrote:undercoat black is more pigmented then chaos.
otherwise, no difference.

So, are all paint pots changing their looks, to be more fitting with the current wash and foundation set then?

Pigmented to the point of being a 'foundation'?

Nice, if I hadnt just switched to a different brand of paint these would be very tempting.

Both the "undercoat black" paint, as well as the clear bottles are +1 to GWS. If they only made them come in eyedropper bottles like Vallejo...

Can you list the prices on these?

GW is on the block list at work.

$30.

Not a bad price for the 40k set. The paints individually cost $3(?) each. And the snapfit marines are $15 for 3, IIRC. Brushes are $5+.

I know I'm late to the parade, but what exactly is the difference between foundation paints and regular paints, is it like a colored primer?

Foundation paints have heavier pigment than the regular paints and will even stick to the models fairly well without primer. They provide superior single coat base coat coverage compared to "regular" model paint.

Paints are $3.70 each US and have been since last year's price increase.

As for "why goblins" in the WFB paint set, I would think that has a lot to do with how many goblin sprues from Skull Pass GW will be sitting on when they yank all the existing copies of it off shelves after Sept. 3. It's a way of getting some use out of product they've already paid to manufacture. And Orcs and Goblins will always be fairly iconic of WFB so it shouldn't hurt them to use those models up.

Was thinking that was way top expensive for a hand full of paints, didn't realise you got some models with it also! Ha-Ha

Eight paints are $29.60 US separately. Since the set includes a brush and a few models it's not a bad deal, especially for beginners.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok so the new paint pots have clear lids. Odd...

But sadly the 40K one does not contain Devlan Miracle. What gives?

Space Marines are always nice and clean! No Devlan Miracle dirtiness to be found on any one of them!

I see they are all with the new style paint pots. I think the goblins are a decent choice because they are a simple model for beginners. I don't like the undercoat black much because it dries a bit shiny. It needs an all over wash just to dry matt.

May have to pick some of these up since they just discontinued the regular paint set and I don't have any paint yet =p.

And GW still inists on their craptastic paint pots (IMO) rather than going to the dropper bottles of Vellejo. The paint I like, the propensity for the paint to dry out in the pot I hate.

Le Grognard wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:What is 'Undercoat Black' is this a different product to 'Chaos Black' and if so how?

Seconded. Why in the bloody hell isn't there a Black Foundation paint? I'm sure there's some 'make-em-buy-black-primer' money-making scheme behind it, but I'd love to hear the reasoning.

Probably because even a Foundation paint is going to be looking like complete crap painted over bare plastic/metal.

However, it looks like "Undercoat Black" is a Foundation color. White top=Foundation, clear top='standard' paint, and black top=wash.

As an aside, I got some Hawk Turquoise the other day for working on a Dark Elf Hydra and it was the new top. I very much like having that Foundation/Wash styled top on the standard paints. Makes wetmixing colors for highlights far, far easier for me.

Also wondering what kind of stuff is in this small painting guide is it enough for a complete beginner to produced a decently painted model?/ Will it teach some good fundamentals?

EDIT: Or is it basically going to be like the "stage-by-stage" painting guides on the GW website?

I like the paint pots (Flying in the face of popular opinion.

Not used Vallejo and I know they have a good reputation, but if GW switched to dropper bottles, the formula would have to change to allow better flow.
That would possibly mean less covering power. Would rather have a denser paint I can thin myself than a fluid paint.

TBH I don't see the need for a foundation black.
Why would you need to use it?

Good point/question about the dropper bottles, Chibi... I've never used Vallejo, but it does seem like the paint would have to be thinner? Or not? (From those of you who've used both?)

The "undercoat black" does seem to be a foundation paint, unless they're departing from their scheme of white top = foundation paint!

Personally, I'm planning to prime white for my newest army project (and first painting I will have done in quite some time) for ease of covering in less coats. So an undercoat black would be useful for me in that case... although I have a difficult time imagining any black that wouldn't cover in a single coat, or two...

I see they're still selling Undercoat black, but why did they decide on skull white instead of the usual "white" that comes in the starter sets?

The paint choices definately make alot more sense, I'm not sure about the new pots though, I find the foundation pots a pain as the paint always runs down the back making a mess and wasting paint...

although I have a difficult time imagining any black that wouldn't cover in a single coat, or two...

That is what i was thinking RiTides.
I have Revell Tar Black which has excellent coverage and seems to be similar in coverage to Chaos black
Ditto Humbrol 85 satin acrylic.

To paint a model that would predominately need white primer, but also had some areas to be painted black, I would just use a blue or brown foundation. This would be sufficient for the black imho .

I don't get the love for Vallejo dropper bottles. I have a few Vallejo paints and it just seems like I have too much left over on the palette after using what I need. I feel like I'm wasting paint with the droppers.