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Drug cartels at it again, killing 72 people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100825/ts_afp/mexicocrime


I am glad I'm not doing drugs and financing these people.

A little more on the story:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38867434/ns/world_news-americas

Seriously with this kind of thing going on, how could anyone want to do drugs and make life a living Hell for other people by funding these bastards?

What case exactly are you trying to make? Gangsters make money in more ways than selling drugs. Then you can't say anyone, buying any drugs, is somehow magically funding some mega cartel.

What if you grow your own?

Relapse wrote:Drug cartels at it again, killing 72 people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100825/ts_afp/mexicocrime


I am glad I'm not doing drugs and financing these people.

When I do drugs I just borrow from friends for free, have no clue where it comes from but it's cheap.

Relapse wrote:

Seriously with this kind of thing going on, how could anyone want to do drugs and make life a living Hell for other people by funding these bastards?

Have you honestly totally forgotten about the prohibition? I suggest you look at the figures again if you're not sure.

It's legal status is what funds the gangs, not the inclination to consume narcotics. I'm seriously glad i'm not a brainwashed, upstanding citizen, for my concience's sake.

Cheesecat - I buy my drugs from supermarkets. I like a nice glass of wine or cider with my dinner, and thankfully since it's been legalised i've not had to fund a single criminal. Except for maybe the entire gvmt... But i'm pretty sure the extra £££ in the treasury are in marginally better hands than that of the bootleggers.

Gorgeous Gary Golden wrote:What case exactly are you trying to make? Gangsters make money in more ways than selling drugs. Then you can't say anyone, buying any drugs, is somehow magically funding some mega cartel.

I have friends from TJ that have told me some fairly nasty firsthand stories about what the drug gangs are doing down there. If you think people buying drugs these people smuggle into this country aren't funding what they're doing and aren't helping people be murdered by them, you are totaly kidding yourself.

These monsters will stop at nothing.

Orki wrote:
Have you honestly totally forgotten about the prohibition? I suggest you look at the figures again if you're not sure.

It's legal status is what funds the gangs, not the inclination to consume narcotics. I'm seriously glad i'm not a brainwashed, upstanding citizen, for my concience's sake.

Cheesecat - I buy my drugs from supermarkets. I like a nice glass of wine or cider with my dinner, and thankfully since it's been legalised i've not had to fund a single criminal. Except for maybe the entire gvmt... But i'm pretty sure the extra £££ in the treasury are in marginally better hands than that of the bootleggers.

Let's assume for a moment drugs become legal. Do you think these people, who sew victim's faces onto soccer balls, among other ways of torture and murder, are going to suddenly be model businessmen? Do you really think that they'll gracefully give up a lucrative market? These people are worse than the bootleggers ever thought of being.

Nurglitch wrote:What if you grow your own?

Then you have to avoid using your own produce to stop the growers from profiting from your habits.

Relapse wrote:

Orki wrote:
Have you honestly totally forgotten about the prohibition? I suggest you look at the figures again if you're not sure.

It's legal status is what funds the gangs, not the inclination to consume narcotics. I'm seriously glad i'm not a brainwashed, upstanding citizen, for my concience's sake.

Cheesecat - I buy my drugs from supermarkets. I like a nice glass of wine or cider with my dinner, and thankfully since it's been legalised i've not had to fund a single criminal. Except for maybe the entire gvmt... But i'm pretty sure the extra £££ in the treasury are in marginally better hands than that of the bootleggers.

Let's assume for a moment drugs become legal. Do you think these people, who sew victim's faces onto soccer balls, among other ways of torture and murder, are going to suddenly be model businessmen? Do you really think that they'll gracefully give up a lucrative market? These people are worse than the bootleggers ever thought of being.

I just laughed so hard. Please excuse me while I regain my composture.

*ahem*

Nah,sorry. This could take some time...

*snigger*

Talk to someone who's had to deal with the drug runners and cartels down in Mexico. It'll help you regain your composure in a fairly quick fashion.

That's akin to saying: 'I'm glad I don't pay taxes so that I'm not funding the military slaughter of civilians in the middle east'.

gak happens. I'm not going to assume some moral high ground because of my habits (or lack thereof, in your case), and you shouldn't either.

Chrysaor686 wrote:That's akin to saying: 'I'm glad I don't pay taxes so that I'm not funding the military slaughter of civilians in the middle east'.

gak happens. I'm not going to assume some moral high ground because of my habits (or lack thereof, in your case), and you shouldn't either.

That about sums it up

Chrysaor686 wrote:That's akin to saying: 'I'm glad I don't pay taxes so that I'm not funding the military slaughter of civilians in the middle east'.

Actually, it's nothing like that. The government spends your taxes on war. You(not you specifically ) spend your pocket money on drugs.

OP: People are too selfish to care that the money they spend on drugs may mean suffering for others. I hope you're learning a lesson here, Relapse.

Unless they grow their own. Then, I guess, they're styling. Pot should be legal at the very least.

If presented with a button that, when pressed, would kill someone I don't know, but would give me a million pounds, I would probably press it at least once. Hence I continue to use drugs.

The Dreadnote wrote:If presented with a button that, when pressed, would kill someone I don't know, but would give me a million pounds, I would probably press it at least once. Hence I continue to use drugs.

I saw that movie. Don't do it!

There's a movie?

The Dreadnote wrote:There's a movie?

Yeah man, The Box.

Monster Rain wrote:

Chrysaor686 wrote:That's akin to saying: 'I'm glad I don't pay taxes so that I'm not funding the military slaughter of civilians in the middle east'.

Actually, it's nothing like that. The government spends your taxes on war. You(not you specifically ) spend your pocket money on drugs.

OP: People are too selfish to care that the money they spend on drugs may mean suffering for others. I hope you're learning a lesson here, Relapse.

Unless they grow their own. Then, I guess, they're styling. Pot should be legal at the very least.

Yea if you buy from the more peaceful local grower types more or just have your own, thats the way to go as opposed to intentionally supporting the Los Zetas

Nurglitch wrote:These monsters will stop at nothing.

It could be worse...

Chrysaor686 wrote:That's akin to saying: 'I'm glad I don't pay taxes so that I'm not funding the military slaughter of civilians in the middle east'.

No the government sent over United States Marines not Chaos Space Marines (which aren't real btw).


I wasn't interested in "the box" since they basically stole the idea from a really old episode of the twilight zone. Now that I've seen the preview I couldn't help but notice that the box itself looked almost identical to the one in the TZ episode. Cool idea but I think the subject was properly covered over the course of the episode.


Back on topic: Legalizing illegal substances would solve some problems (and no doubt cause others) but I wouldn't be surprised if the cartels had lobbyists in their pockets making sure that the laws stay the way they are. We are, after all, their best customers.

I'm like orky except I like 14 or 15 pints after my dinner.

Orki wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Orki wrote:
Have you honestly totally forgotten about the prohibition? I suggest you look at the figures again if you're not sure.

It's legal status is what funds the gangs, not the inclination to consume narcotics. I'm seriously glad i'm not a brainwashed, upstanding citizen, for my concience's sake.

Cheesecat - I buy my drugs from supermarkets. I like a nice glass of wine or cider with my dinner, and thankfully since it's been legalised i've not had to fund a single criminal. Except for maybe the entire gvmt... But i'm pretty sure the extra £££ in the treasury are in marginally better hands than that of the bootleggers.

Let's assume for a moment drugs become legal. Do you think these people, who sew victim's faces onto soccer balls, among other ways of torture and murder, are going to suddenly be model businessmen? Do you really think that they'll gracefully give up a lucrative market? These people are worse than the bootleggers ever thought of being.

I just laughed so hard. Please excuse me while I regain my composture.

*ahem*

Nah,sorry. This could take some time...

*snigger*

Why did you find it funny? Is the mention of torture and murder for some reason hilarious to you? Because the comparison between the Cartels and the gangs of the 1920s/30s isn't that bad, as they ran empires based around the sale of illegal substances, but whereas the Mobsters killed off or bribed their enemies, the Cartels almost always kill them, and their families or freinds, which is why half of Mexico is currently under seige by the military.

And to clarify we're talking about the sale of Illegal Narcotics, not Alcohol, which is legal.

It's funny, because it sounds like this person thinks somehow, if you were to ever buy drugs, from anyone, anywhere, your money is magically making its way to some evil drug cartel. I guess if someone decided to buy some cannabis from their resident old hippy guy, he must be some secret mole for the cartels, just like every other casual ganja grower.

Cane wrote:

Chrysaor686 wrote:That's akin to saying: 'I'm glad I don't pay taxes so that I'm not funding the military slaughter of civilians in the middle east'.

gak happens. I'm not going to assume some moral high ground because of my habits (or lack thereof, in your case), and you shouldn't either.

That about sums it up

Bull Sophistic nonsense to avoid whats really going on.

Thats why I stick to sterno, spray paint, and moonshine. Made BY Americans, FOR Americans.




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Kilkrazy wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:These monsters will stop at nothing.

It could be worse...

I thought bear stromtroopers were the good guys. If you were a little crying girl and needed some protection, you can't go wrong with a bear armed for..er..bear?




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Gorgeous Gary Golden wrote:It's funny, because it sounds like this person thinks somehow, if you were to ever buy drugs, from anyone, anywhere, your money is magically making its way to some evil drug cartel. I guess if someone decided to buy some cannabis from their resident old hippy guy, he must be some secret mole for the cartels, just like every other casual ganja grower.

Odds are the resident old hippy guy bought from someone who bought from a cartel.

Except my resident old hippies grow their own stuff.

I agree. Americans shouldn't do drugs.

EDIT: This of course includes Central and South Americans, and those Canadians, who seem to insist that they aren't American.

I didn't realize so many people grew their own heroin and cocaine.

Yeah, well, people who do heroin and cocaine probably don't even care where their next meal or drink of water comes from, let alone their choice of crack.