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Cannabis > Junk drugs

Gorgeous Gary Golden wrote:Except my resident old hippies grow their own stuff.

yes, and the seeds magically appeared out of thin air.

Goliath wrote:

Gorgeous Gary Golden wrote:Except my resident old hippies grow their own stuff.

yes, and the seeds magically appeared out of thin air.

And only evil Mexican cartels could possibly sell seeds.

likely. Have faith, those evil Mexican cartels will wipe out your Hippy's source for seeds too very shortly.

It is probably impossible to go through life without buying, at some stage, something whereby those involved in it's manufacture or distribution aren't treated in some gakky way.

Clothing, jewelery, food and even energy often come from sources where child labour, brutal and dangerous working conditions and in extreme cases slavery and torture are all comonplace.

The Mexican, and other, cartels are certainly a nasty bunch and even if legalising the drugs they produce were to stop their involvement they would just move onto something else even more distasteful such as child prostitution or modern slavery (they probably are into this gak anyway). Now I appreciate that many of those involved feel forced into it either by extreme poverty and circumstance or are literaly forced, but there are also a huge number who do so willingly because of the potential to earn huge sums of money regardless of the moral implications.

I'm not suggesting we shouldn't care or not try to do something about the situation, but getting on your moral high horse because you dont buy drugs which exploit Mexicans when it is likely that you are wearing clothes which exploit Indoniesians, jewelry which exploits Indians and power your house with coal energy which exploits South Americans seems a little daft to me.

You do see the difference between wearing clothes and doing drugs, don't you?

As in, one is required by law in order to leave the house...

Monster Rain wrote:You do see the difference between wearing clothes and doing drugs, don't you?

As in, one is required by law in order to leave the house...

Obviously!

My point is that equaly bad things happen to people who are involved in the manufacture and supply of prefectly legal goods, surely this should be veiwed with more distain than those involved in the production of illegal goods?

squilverine wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:You do see the difference between wearing clothes and doing drugs, don't you?

As in, one is required by law in order to leave the house...

Obviously!

My point is that equaly bad things happen to people who are involved in the manufacture and supply of prefectly legal goods, surely this should be veiwed with more distain than those involved in the production of illegal goods?

I don't know about more disdain, but certainly it's something worth thinking about.

Not that Nike is sewing faces onto soccer balls.

Monster Rain wrote:You do see the difference between wearing clothes and doing drugs, don't you?

As in, one is required by law in order to leave the house...

Actually you are only required to have your lower genitals covered to leave the house (both sexes) (at least in Texas)... If someone wanted to strut around in a thong, or olive leaf more power to them....

GOGO MENTAL IMAGES!

I don't grow my own aspirin and there isn't a Mexican aspirin cartel.

Given the right climate, it's not hard to grow heroin and cocaine.

My wife was telling me a number of local councils in Japan had to eradicate a bunch of poppy plants which had seeded themselves in the flower beds around the town hall.

I used to grow poppies in my garden in Richmond, though I never tried to make heroin from them.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Yeah, well, people who do heroin and cocaine probably don't even care where their next meal or drink of water comes from, let alone their choice of crack.

Well pretty obvious you have no experience with people who do drugs.

I can't believe people still believe those old "drugs fund terrorism" ads they ran after 9/11. In some cases, yeah Afghani opium and FARC cocaine is paying for terrorist organizations. But to say anyone who does drugs is funding terrorism is stupid.

For everyone who feels better about this because they don't do any narcotics, how do you feel that American made guns are the actual weapons doing the killing down there? By supporting liberal gun laws so the cartels can purchase guns, aren't you also in a way supporting their crimes?

IMO legalization is the only answer. Obviously this opens a whole host of other problems and will never happen, but if you cut the funding from these organizations, where could they go next for their funding? Bootleg DVD's? Prostitution? The only reason these cartels are so big and disgustingly brutal are because we the American people make them so. If we didn't hoover up half the world's cocaine and changed the draconian marijuana laws, the cartels would be drastically reduced in power. The key to combating drugs is education and rehabilitation, not incarceration and war. But thats just my 2 cents.

squilverine wrote:It is probably impossible to go through life without buying, at some stage, something whereby those involved in it's manufacture or distribution aren't treated in some gakky way.

Clothing, jewelery, food and even energy often come from sources where child labour, brutal and dangerous working conditions and in extreme cases slavery and torture are all comonplace.

The Mexican, and other, cartels are certainly a nasty bunch and even if legalising the drugs they produce were to stop their involvement they would just move onto something else even more distasteful such as child prostitution or modern slavery (they probably are into this gak anyway). Now I appreciate that many of those involved feel forced into it either by extreme poverty and circumstance or are literaly forced, but there are also a huge number who do so willingly because of the potential to earn huge sums of money regardless of the moral implications.

I'm not suggesting we shouldn't care or not try to do something about the situation, but getting on your moral high horse because you dont buy drugs which exploit Mexicans when it is likely that you are wearing clothes which exploit Indoniesians, jewelry which exploits Indians and power your house with coal energy which exploits South Americans seems a little daft to me.

Coal is mined in the US we are the freeking OPEC of coal. What are you on about?

According to this US government web page, the US imports about 4.5 million tons of coal a year from south American countries.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/quarterly/html/t18p01p1.html

DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Yeah, well, people who do heroin and cocaine probably don't even care where their next meal or drink of water comes from, let alone their choice of crack.

Well pretty obvious you have no experience with people who do drugs.

You're so incredibly wrong, but I completely understand. I was overgeneralising for my own entertainment.

Kilkrazy wrote:According to this US government web page, the US imports about 4.5 million tons of coal a year from south American countries.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/coal/quarterly/html/t18p01p1.html

Thats because Clinton sealed off federal lands. I blame the Clinton Whitehouse and of course Leichtenstein.

Nurglitch wrote:These monsters will stop at nothing.

Im not clicking onthat until im sure its vrus free.or that i will win an alienware area 51

warboss spinetwizta wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:These monsters will stop at nothing.

Im not clicking onthat until im sure its vrus free.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

DutchKillsRambo wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Yeah, well, people who do heroin and cocaine probably don't even care where their next meal or drink of water comes from, let alone their choice of crack.

Well pretty obvious you have no experience with people who do drugs.

You're so incredibly wrong, but I completely understand. I was overgeneralising for my own entertainment.

Understandable then. No hard feelings?

Monster Rain wrote:Not that Nike is sewing faces onto soccer balls.

Not yet!


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Frazzled wrote:Thats because Clinton sealed off federal lands. I blame the Clinton Whitehouse and of course Leichtenstein.

God damn Leichtenstein, I swear it's those sneaky bastards who steal my socks and the ink out of my Biro's

Slightly over-topic, but it needs explaining: Someone mentioned that in Texas only one's lower genitals needed concealing. How many sets of genitals do people in Texas have?

Nurglitch wrote:Slightly over-topic, but it needs explaining: Someone mentioned that in Texas only one's lower genitals needed concealing. How many sets of genitals do people in Texas have?

If they had to cover their upper genitals they'd have to wear hats as well.

Get it?

Nurglitch wrote:Slightly over-topic, but it needs explaining: Someone mentioned that in Texas only one's lower genitals needed concealing. How many sets of genitals do people in Texas have?

Where did you think they got the idea for the Centarui from?

Like all things, everything is more in Texas!(except our modesty)

Nurglitch wrote:Slightly over-topic, but it needs explaining: Someone mentioned that in Texas only one's lower genitals needed concealing. How many sets of genitals do people in Texas have?

It's not the number of them, they are just much larger than other peoples'.


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Orki wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Orki wrote:
Have you honestly totally forgotten about the prohibition? I suggest you look at the figures again if you're not sure.

It's legal status is what funds the gangs, not the inclination to consume narcotics. I'm seriously glad i'm not a brainwashed, upstanding citizen, for my concience's sake.

Cheesecat - I buy my drugs from supermarkets. I like a nice glass of wine or cider with my dinner, and thankfully since it's been legalised i've not had to fund a single criminal. Except for maybe the entire gvmt... But i'm pretty sure the extra £££ in the treasury are in marginally better hands than that of the bootleggers.

Let's assume for a moment drugs become legal. Do you think these people, who sew victim's faces onto soccer balls, among other ways of torture and murder, are going to suddenly be model businessmen? Do you really think that they'll gracefully give up a lucrative market? These people are worse than the bootleggers ever thought of being.

I just laughed so hard. Please excuse me while I regain my composture.

*ahem*

Nah,sorry. This could take some time...

*snigger*

Just to see how funny they thought it was, I talked to the Mexicans I work with about the situation. Alot of them say it's our fault their country is so jacked up because of the drug demand in this country, and they didn't see the humor in it that you do.



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Gorgeous Gary Golden wrote:It's funny, because it sounds like this person thinks somehow, if you were to ever buy drugs, from anyone, anywhere, your money is magically making its way to some evil drug cartel. I guess if someone decided to buy some cannabis from their resident old hippy guy, he must be some secret mole for the cartels, just like every other casual ganja grower.

I don't think that. It's just that a lot of people in this country are wrapped up enough in their selfishness to not care that the money they're spending on drugs go to the cartels who are murdering a lot of people in drug wars in Mexico.

Curiously Canada produces enormous amounts of marijuana, and yet we don't have heavily armed shadow-gov'ts conducting civil wars in the streets... I blame the US for not demanding enough sweet BC hydro.

Nurglitch wrote:These monsters will stop at nothing.

That article is made of win I remember my Dad showing it to me in the paper it made my day.

I do what I want, I do pot.

I get it from my dealer, and I couldn't honestly care less.

If I get it from the mexican cartels, do you think I care? Nada, senor.

Worry about yourself and your family and friends. If you really think that I care that you think I'm a bad person for "funding murderous cartels' then you mind as well go kill yourself, because there would be one less ignorant donkey-cave that I deal with on a day-to-day basis.

Mother? What are you doing on Dakka at this time of night?

Karon wrote:I do what I want, I do pot.

You do pot?

I've only heard Health Education teachers and grandmothers put it that way.

"I don't want you out doing pot with those nogoodnik friends of yours!"

OP: This guy is the solipsistic type I was referring to earlier. Most of the time they grow out of this sort of attitude. The really sad cases don't.

Relapse wrote:

Orki wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Orki wrote:
Have you honestly totally forgotten about the prohibition? I suggest you look at the figures again if you're not sure.

It's legal status is what funds the gangs, not the inclination to consume narcotics. I'm seriously glad i'm not a brainwashed, upstanding citizen, for my concience's sake.

Cheesecat - I buy my drugs from supermarkets. I like a nice glass of wine or cider with my dinner, and thankfully since it's been legalised i've not had to fund a single criminal. Except for maybe the entire gvmt... But i'm pretty sure the extra £££ in the treasury are in marginally better hands than that of the bootleggers.

Let's assume for a moment drugs become legal. Do you think these people, who sew victim's faces onto soccer balls, among other ways of torture and murder, are going to suddenly be model businessmen? Do you really think that they'll gracefully give up a lucrative market? These people are worse than the bootleggers ever thought of being.

I just laughed so hard. Please excuse me while I regain my composture.

*ahem*

Nah,sorry. This could take some time...

*snigger*

Just to see how funny they thought it was, I talked to the Mexicans I work with about the situation. Alot of them say it's our fault their country is so jacked up because of the drug demand in this country, and they didn't see the humor in it that you do.

My apologies. I should've made it crystal clear to you. I find the violence associated with the problem utterly abhorrent.

I found your total inability to grasp my point however, very funny indeed.

You are unfortunately a prime example of why education is so important, and evidently sorely lacking.