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Monster Rain wrote:

Karon wrote:I do what I want, I do pot.

You do pot?

I've only heard Health Education teachers and grandmothers put it that way.

"I don't want you out doing pot with those nogoodnik friends of yours!"

OP: This guy is the solipsistic type I was referring to earlier. Most of the time they grow out of this sort of attitude. The really sad cases don't.

Just an FYI, I had to google the word "solipsistic", haha.

I'm confused, I'm a grandmother for saying a general phrase? Not sure about what you were trying to get at.

Grow out of what attitude? I take care of myself. Others were saying I was the REASON those cartels killed people. As if they're positive that my drugs come directly from that cartel, and aren't from any other portion of the world. That's a close minded view.

I'm not "solipsistic" which, apparently is where I can't fathom that I am ever wrong, which I don't believe it true.

What I was getting at is that with everything that I have to do on a day-to-day basis, I don't have time to worry that my actions are affecting something that doesn't pertain to me at all, and will most likely never affect me.

Nurglitch wrote:Curiously Canada produces enormous amounts of marijuana, and yet we don't have heavily armed shadow-gov'ts conducting civil wars in the streets... I blame the US for not demanding enough sweet BC hydro.

Maybe the US should be getting more of there weed from Canada instead of Mexican Cartels after all everyone knows "BC bud is the best". Plus it could create more jobs in Canada (another reason why grass should be legalized ).

Karon wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Karon wrote:I do what I want, I do pot.

You do pot?

I've only heard Health Education teachers and grandmothers put it that way.

"I don't want you out doing pot with those nogoodnik friends of yours!"

OP: This guy is the solipsistic type I was referring to earlier. Most of the time they grow out of this sort of attitude. The really sad cases don't.

Just an FYI, I had to google the word "solipsistic", haha.

I'm confused, I'm a grandmother for saying a general phrase? Not sure about what you were trying to get at.

Grow out of what attitude? I take care of myself. Others were saying I was the REASON those cartels killed people. As if they're positive that my drugs come directly from that cartel, and aren't from any other portion of the world. That's a close minded view.

I'm not "solipsistic" which, apparently is where I can't fathom that I am ever wrong, which I don't believe it true.

What I was getting at is that with everything that I have to do on a day-to-day basis, I don't have time to worry that my actions are affecting something that doesn't pertain to me at all, and will most likely never affect me.

I was referring more to the lack of empathy on your part. I have a sneaking suspicion that you would feel differently about this issue if the roles were reversed with you living in TJ where the bullets are flying and someone else living up in the US funding the people that are destroying your country. Your statement wasn't "I don't think that my pot use funds drug wars" it was "Even if it does fund the horror in the Mexican bordertowns I don't give a gak" which is kind of indefensible. It's a fethed up situation and there's a lot more to it than the stoners in the US. I'd be lying if I said that I never smoked the chiba. The real crime is that either the Mexican or US governments could stop it if they really tried.

Yeah, and the solipsistic thing wasn't supposed to be it was just the best way to describe a rather self-centered worldview, to which you are certainly entitled.

Monster Rain wrote:

Karon wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Karon wrote:I do what I want, I do pot.

You do pot?

I've only heard Health Education teachers and grandmothers put it that way.

"I don't want you out doing pot with those nogoodnik friends of yours!"

OP: This guy is the solipsistic type I was referring to earlier. Most of the time they grow out of this sort of attitude. The really sad cases don't.

Just an FYI, I had to google the word "solipsistic", haha.

I'm confused, I'm a grandmother for saying a general phrase? Not sure about what you were trying to get at.

Grow out of what attitude? I take care of myself. Others were saying I was the REASON those cartels killed people. As if they're positive that my drugs come directly from that cartel, and aren't from any other portion of the world. That's a close minded view.

I'm not "solipsistic" which, apparently is where I can't fathom that I am ever wrong, which I don't believe it true.

What I was getting at is that with everything that I have to do on a day-to-day basis, I don't have time to worry that my actions are affecting something that doesn't pertain to me at all, and will most likely never affect me.

I was referring more to the lack of empathy on your part. I have a sneaking suspicion that you would feel differently about this issue if the roles were reversed with you living in TJ where the bullets are flying and someone else living up in the US funding the people that are destroying your country. Your statement wasn't "I don't think that my pot use funds drug wars" it was "Even if it does fund the horror in the Mexican bordertowns I don't give a gak" which is kind of indefensible. It's a fethed up situation and there's a lot more to it than the stoners in the US. I'd be lying if I said that I never smoked the chiba. The real crime is that either the Mexican or US governments could stop it if they really tried.

Yeah, and the solipsistic thing wasn't supposed to be it was just the best way to describe a rather self-centered worldview, to which you are certainly entitled.

Its just I don't worry about things that don't pertain to me. I don't live in mexico.

The "If you were in their shoes" argument is irrelevant. I'm not, and I'm sure if I was in that situation I'd have enough sense to get the feth out.

I just don't like being generalized as the "hippy pot-smoker who now is responsible for the deaths that the drug cartels cause"....haha.

And yeah, I really don't care if the weed that I get through my dealer, who gets it from another guy, who gets it from another guy, who then could have possibly gotten it from a drug cartel is waaaay too vague and insignificant on my part for me to care.

Sorry if I sound rude or anything, I'm not trying to be, just speaking my mind.

Karon wrote:I do what I want, I do pot.

I get it from my dealer, and I couldn't honestly care less.

If I get it from the mexican cartels, do you think I care? Nada, senor.

Worry about yourself and your family and friends. If you really think that I care that you think I'm a bad person for "funding murderous cartels' then you mind as well go kill yourself, because there would be one less ignorant donkey-cave that I deal with on a day-to-day basis.

I thought weed was supposed to calm you down... maybe you should go do some now.

Remember that Rule no.1 applies in the OT forum!

Most of the marijuana I smoke comes straight from Colorado, my LSD is synthesized locally, my psylocybin is grown locally, and my amphetamines are government regulated, as is any OxyContin or any other opioid I consume. I've learned not to snort cocaine, as it's incredibly addictive and is priced at a rate that's way too high for me to afford (I've blown upwards of 300 dollars worth of cocaine in a single day). Cocaine is just about the last big import from south of the border (aside from possibly mescaline and DMT, neither of which are consumed in great numbers). Most drug dealers have come to realize that importing a drug from a state within their own country is exponentially easier than dealing with international relations, especially considering that the marijuana grown here is generally grown to a higher standard and they stand to make more profit off of it.

I'm not saying that I'm morally incorruptable or that I lead the life of some transcendant ascetic (none of us can manage that), but you definitely shouldn't peg all drug users to be ignorant bastards with no compassion or semblance of intelligence. Fate weaves an intricate web, and none of us are completely immune to negative results of our actions, no matter how far down the line they may be.

Drug use does not equal antisocial criminality. If the United States ceased it's activity in the war on drugs, and conceded that legalization is truly the correct option, then the vast majority of these violent cartels would be brought down, no matter how much they undercut prices. The situation would be contained, at the very least. The vast majority of us do not want to be criminals. Less than 10% of the people I know that consume drugs partake in other criminal activity. Even if relief from this constant threat of the law comes at a price, it's a price well worth paying to the majority of people.

Well said, Chry.

Yea that post was spot on.

Illegal drugs fund crime overwhelmingly almost to the exclusion of all other forms of crime. Its easy ,hard to catch and your addicts become your slave. Why would anyone make a comment that its preposterous that they (cartels) recieve the money. Drugs have completely undermined our country . Think that wont happen here think again.


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If its grown or made here your giving money to bad guys here which is worse and you are undermining us by helping to create more addicts.

I thought America was the greatest country in the world. When did that stop?

What is your point

My point is that you are simply indulging in hyperbole about the effect of drugs.

That wasnt your point . You were making a sarcastic remark about USA. Thats your problem. My comments are not hyperbole theyre fact. So what other insults do you have?

If you knew what my point was why did you bother asking me?

Kilkrazy wrote:If you knew what my point was why did you bother asking me?

just some ice for that burn.

rubiksnoob wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:If you knew what my point was why did you bother asking me?

just some ice for that burn.

uuuuuuu... Kilkrazy is as cool as ice.

U.S.A stopped being the greatest country in the world with Bush, I think.

Karon wrote:The "If you were in their shoes" argument is irrelevant. I'm not, and I'm sure if I was in that situation I'd have enough sense to get the feth out.

I think they do as well, which leads to half of the US complaining about how Mexican Immigrants are destroyig their nation.

You still havent explained what your sarcastic remark meant. What does hyperbole have to do with a sarcastic remark about my country (drugs/country). You answered my question by making a completely different point. I suspect you wont attempt to answer it.

I don't know. I keep hearing the "legalizing it will solve all our problems", but I don't really see how. I look at it in the same manner as pharmaceuticals. Those are legal but regulated. There's still a black market and crime associated with them. Are we going to treat cocaine as a perscripction drug? Who perscribes it, and for what? Or do we make it over-the-counter like alcohol? We still have folks getting addicted, we still have the crime associated with folks looking for their next score. Maybe we cut the cartel violence out of the equation, maybe not. Like another poster said, it's not like these gangs are just going to disappear. There will still be a black market for these drugs if they're regulated at all, the market (might) just be smaller. If the same gangs are fighting for a smaller, more competitive market why wouldn't we see an UPTICK in drug violence?

How is legalizing Heroin and Cocaine and other similar drugs not substituting one problem for something worse?
Alcohol is legal and school kids can get ahold of it. It scares me quite a bit thinking that kids could much more easily get substances that are far more addictive if drugs were legal.

There are enough problems now with teenagers becoming alcoholics without putting more things on the market that can do worse things to them than beer.

1-UP wrote:I don't know. I keep hearing the "legalizing it will solve all our problems", but I don't really see how. I look at it in the same manner as pharmaceuticals. Those are legal but regulated. There's still a black market and crime associated with them. Are we going to treat cocaine as a perscripction drug? Who perscribes it, and for what? Or do we make it over-the-counter like alcohol? We still have folks getting addicted, we still have the crime associated with folks looking for their next score. Maybe we cut the cartel violence out of the equation, maybe not. Like another poster said, it's not like these gangs are just going to disappear. There will still be a black market for these drugs if they're regulated at all, the market (might) just be smaller. If the same gangs are fighting for a smaller, more competitive market why wouldn't we see an UPTICK in drug violence?

Because you don't regulate it, barring your usual sin tax to fund public education on why this gak is bad for you. Same gak we do for alcohol and cigs.

How is legalizing Heroin and Cocaine and other similar drugs not substituting one problem for something worse?
Alcohol is legal and school kids can get ahold of it. It scares me quite a bit thinking that kids could much more easily get substances that are far more addictive if drugs were legal.

There are enough problems now with teenagers becoming alcoholics without putting more things on the market that can do worse things to them than beer.

You'll forgive me in thinking that mass murder ranks somewhat above a few people getting addicted to a drug they'd likely be doing anyway. It's not like it's very hard for kids to get their hands on drugs these days anyway. I had classmates with their own grow-ops, along with others who had their very own coke habits. What legalizing drugs and subjecting them to taxation and FDA standards does is to lower costs and decrease the risks of using them, meaning that addicts are no longer inhaling ground-up glass, and can afford to stay off the streets while still supporting a drug habit.

Legalizing it would not solve all our problems.

It would however remove a large number of problems and reschedule others into areas in which we already have legal and social coping mechanisms.

Laughing Man wrote:

1-UP wrote:I don't know. I keep hearing the "legalizing it will solve all our problems", but I don't really see how. I look at it in the same manner as pharmaceuticals. Those are legal but regulated. There's still a black market and crime associated with them. Are we going to treat cocaine as a perscripction drug? Who perscribes it, and for what? Or do we make it over-the-counter like alcohol? We still have folks getting addicted, we still have the crime associated with folks looking for their next score. Maybe we cut the cartel violence out of the equation, maybe not. Like another poster said, it's not like these gangs are just going to disappear. There will still be a black market for these drugs if they're regulated at all, the market (might) just be smaller. If the same gangs are fighting for a smaller, more competitive market why wouldn't we see an UPTICK in drug violence?

Because you don't regulate it, barring your usual sin tax to fund public education on why this gak is bad for you. Same gak we do for alcohol and cigs.

There's quite a few regulations on cigarettes and alcohol in place - age you can purchase, where you can purchase, when you can purchase, when you can use, etc, where you can use, etc. What sort of rules get put in place for crack?

Will a vendor be obligated to not sell to a jonesing fiend like a bartender is obligated to not sell to an intoxicated individual?

Waagh!Balzsmasha! wrote:You still havent explained what your sarcastic remark meant. What does hyperbole have to do with a sarcastic remark about my country (drugs/country). You answered my question by making a completely different point. I suspect you wont attempt to answer it.

You claimed that drugs are undermining US society, Kilkrazy responded with a cliche about the quality of the US. As with any statement of sarcasm, this should be taken as a non-sequitur with respect to an argument.

Regardless, you seem to be confused with respect to the difference between fact and opinion. To state that something abstract is being 'undermined' is not a factual claim.

Drugs are funny.

Well dope makes everything else seem hilarious, I'll give you that much.

Not really what I mean, but sure. I don't do drugs, so I like to laugh at all the conflict that drugs cause

Laughing Man wrote:

How is legalizing Heroin and Cocaine and other similar drugs not substituting one problem for something worse?
Alcohol is legal and school kids can get ahold of it. It scares me quite a bit thinking that kids could much more easily get substances that are far more addictive if drugs were legal.

There are enough problems now with teenagers becoming alcoholics without putting more things on the market that can do worse things to them than beer.

You'll forgive me in thinking that mass murder ranks somewhat above a few people getting addicted to a drug they'd likely be doing anyway. It's not like it's very hard for kids to get their hands on drugs these days anyway. I had classmates with their own grow-ops, along with others who had their very own coke habits. What legalizing drugs and subjecting them to taxation and FDA standards does is to lower costs and decrease the risks of using them, meaning that addicts are no longer inhaling ground-up glass, and can afford to stay off the streets while still supporting a drug habit.

Look at the stats for teen age alcoholism and the damage it does. Alcohol isn't hard for kids to get, and the idea I get from people posting here that want legalized drugs is to make them as easy to get as alcohol. I lived in a crack house for 6 months and had several classmates that used drugs . I have a real good idea from first hand knowledge what drugs do to people, and it's worse than alcohol.