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2000 pts.

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour (Belt of Russ; Runic Armour; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Fenrisian Wolf; Power Fist x1; Wolf Claw x1; Rending in CC only; Saga of the Warrior Born)
2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour (Belt of Russ; Runic Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Fenrisian Wolf; Power Fist x1; Wolf Claw x1; Eternal Warrior; Rending in CC only; Saga of the Bear)
2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour (Belt of Russ; Runic Armour; Wolf Tail Talisman; Thunderwolf Mount; Fenrisian Wolf; Power Fist x1; Wolf Claw x1; Rending in CC only; Saga of the Beastslayer)
2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour (Belt of Russ; Melta Bombs; Runic Armour; Thunderwolf Mount; Fenrisian Wolf; Power Fist x1; Wolf Claw x1; Rending in CC only; Saga of Majesty)
2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
5 Grey Hunters Pack (Flamer; Rhino)
1 Rhino

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
5 Grey Hunters Pack (Flamer; Rhino)
1 Rhino

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
5 Grey Hunters Pack (Flamer; Rhino)
1 Rhino

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack
5 Grey Hunters Pack (Flamer; Rhino)
1 Rhino

Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Thunderwolf Cavalry; Thunderwolf Cavalry; Thunderwolf Cavalry; Thunderwolf Cavalry)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Storm Shield)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Storm Shield)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Storm Shield)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Storm Shield)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Storm Shield; Power Fist)

The 4 Wolf Lords attach to the Thunderwolf calvary unit. This list was thought of by Stelek, but I tweaked it a little.

Well, his army played at NovaCon was quite different from this.
As a matter of fact, it contains a deathstar unit.
Those units exist for almost all races.

I know his Nova list was way different than this. He usually doesn't run Deathstar units. This was just posted on his site right before Nova. I know a lot of codices have Death Star units, but I've run it against Nob Bikers, Seer Councils and TH/SS terminators and it eats them for breakfast.

If you are keeping track it's
24 WS 6 Strength 5 Wolf Claw attacks at initiative 5 or 24 WS 6 Strength 10 powerfist attacks
24 WS 4 Strength 4 attacks at initiative 4
20 WS 4 Strength 5 rending attacks at initiative 4
5 WS 4 Strength 10 Powerfist attacks

on
4- 3 wound Toughness 5 2+/4+ models ( one of which has eternal warrior)
5- 2 wound Toughness 5 3+/3+ models
8- 1 wound Toughness 4 6+ for alabative wound purposes

with
a 5+ save against physic attacks that target them
a 18-24 inch threat range
a Re-rollable LD 10
counterattack
Saga of the Warrior Borne and Saga of the Beastslayer in one unit

This list was thought of by a lot of people before Stelek posted it, myself included. Yes, though, it's a dead hard star of death, and few armies can do it quite like the Wolves these days.
I've seen a 19-model Space Wolf army pull off third in a 30+ player 1750 pt. tourney. Brilliant.

Honestly yes, I do have an army list that either could beat it or better match it.
Here is my 2000 point list

YOU AIN'T CAV, YOU AIN'T $HIT

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour (3#, 290 pts)
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour @ 290 pts (Unit Type: Cavalry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Runic Armour; Wolf Tail Talisman; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Fenrisian Wolf; Frost Weapon x1; Storm Shield x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Independent Character; Rending in CC only; Saga of the Warrior Born)
2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

HQ: Wolf Lord in Power Armour (3#, 285 pts)
1 Wolf Lord in Power Armour @ 285 pts (Unit Type: Cavalry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Runic Armour; Wolftooth Necklace; Thunderwolf Mount; Fenrisian Wolf; Frost Weapon x1; Storm Shield x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Eternal Warrior; Independent Character; Rending in CC only; Saga of the Bear)
2 Fenrisian Wolf (Unit Type: Beasts; Vicious claws and fangs; Counter-attack)

Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry (4#, 350 pts)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry @ 350 pts
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield

Fast Attack: Thunderwolf Cavalry (4#, 350 pts)
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry @ 350 pts
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield
1 Thunderwolf Cavalry Storm Shield

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (6#, 115 pts)
5 Grey Hunters Pack /meltagun 1 Rhino

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (6#, 115 pts)
5 Grey Hunters Pack /meltagun 1 Rhino

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 140 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack @ 140 pts/1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 140 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack /1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 215 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack /1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 140 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack @ 140 pts/1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 140 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack /1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 215 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack /1 Squad Leader

What are the weapons of those Long Fangs?

Did you encounter any problems in your list? Besides the fact that you are throwing around 1500 points into one unit of course. I've thrown everything I can think against it ( 60 boyz, mass nids, marines) and it seems to eat them all.

Well, Assault Termies in Landraiders can be a serious threat to the OP's army.
I'd add a Librarian with nullzone. Ouch!
You have essentially nothing to stop a LR.

wuestenfux wrote:

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 140 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack @ 140 pts/1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 140 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack /1 Squad Leader

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (6#, 215 pts)
5 Long Fangs Pack /1 Squad Leader

What are the weapons of those Long Fangs?

140 point have missle launchers
215 lascannon

Except if you throw the lists at each other, the multiple Lord wolf unit will beat the single lord and thunder wolf calvary wolf units every time because of the multiple powerfists. While my wolf's only have to worry about 5 Strength 10 attacks (which can be taken on the saga of the bear or the fenrisian wolves) you have to worry about 29 Strength 10 attacks.

matthc wrote:Did you encounter any problems in your list? Besides the fact that you are throwing around 1500 points into one unit of course. I've thrown everything I can think against it ( 60 boyz, mass nids, marines) and it seems to eat them all.

what list are you talking about?

@wuestenfex

You call 29 Strength 10 Powefist attacks nothing?


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@ mr. blacksunshine

Arctik Firangi's list that was in the tourney.

matthc wrote:@wuestenfex

You call 29 Strength 10 Powefist attacks nothing

Can you say that your going last and your INVSAV sucks.

I'd have to ask the guy for the exact list, because I can't rightly remember, but it involved Logan, Njal, Canis with five homeboys on Thunderwolves, and the rest were WG in Termie Armour (for troops)... possibly another HQ in there.

The guy playing the list also had a huge red beard, if it helps you form an image.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:

matthc wrote:@wuestenfex

You call 29 Strength 10 Powefist attacks nothing

Can you say that your going last and your INVSAV sucks.

NO. That's against the LR.

After the LR is gone then it doesn't matter because counter charge kicks in. Your attacks kick in the lords kill 4.74 TH/SS terminators by themselves. Then you have fenrisian wolves attacks and the regular calvary's attacks which kill a little more than 2 more before the final calvary with his powefist attacks. So there goes all the terminators.

You call 29 Strength 10 Powefist attacks nothing?

Well, I looked for melta weapons.
Suppose the LR moved more than 6''.
Then your precious units will hit on 6+, that means 5 hits on average.
One of these hits will glance the LR on average. Hmm, I'm not impressed.

With 5 attacks hitting, 1/3 will penetrate and 1/6 will glance. That's almost 2 penetrations.

matthc wrote:With 5 attacks hitting, 1/3 will penetrate and 1/6 will glance. That's almost 2 penetrations.

Well, with 5 attacks hitting, you'll get 5 out of the six number 1,2,3,4,5,6.
Suppose you get one 6. Then you have S8 + 6 = S14, a glancing hit.

wuestenfux wrote:

matthc wrote:With 5 attacks hitting, 1/3 will penetrate and 1/6 will glance. That's almost 2 penetrations.

Well, with 5 attacks hitting, you'll get 5 out of the six number 1,2,3,4,5,6.
Suppose you get one 6. Then you have S8 + 6 = S14, a glancing hit.

Those are strength 10 powerfists...

Thunderwolves are Str 5, Wu...

Okay, so the pf hits are S10.
Still, you get 5 hits in toto, which eventually means 2 penetrating hits. Looks better.
But the enemy might have 2 LRs.

wuestenfux wrote:Okay, so the pf hits are S10.
Still, you get 5 hits in toto, which eventually means 2 penetrating hits. Looks better.
But the enemy might have 2 LRs.

Well. You attack one at a time. The unit kills 6.74 TH/SS terminators before you even hit initiative 1. So you really don't have much to worry about in terms of a LR and it's contents or even two LR for that matter.

That's bad news for the Termies and their families.
Maybe the SM army contains a Vindicator or two and when your Deathstar is left in the open, will be targeted by S10 blasts.

wuestenfux wrote:That's bad news for the Termies.
Maybe the SM army contains a Vindicator or two and when your Deathstar is left in the open, will be targeted by S10 blasts.

In which case you have 8 fenrisian wolves for alabative wounds and a wolf lord with saga of the bear and a 4+ ,everything else also has a 3+ invulnerable save.

matthc wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:That's bad news for the Termies.
Maybe the SM army contains a Vindicator or two and when your Deathstar is left in the open, will be targeted by S10 blasts.

In which case you have 8 fenrisian wolves for alabative wounds and a wolf lord with saga of the bear and a 4+ ,everything else also has a 3+ invulnerable save.

Not sure if you have those inv. saves if a Libby with nullzone is around.

I'll have to have a crack with my 40 Grey Hunters with Power Fists, dual plasmaguns, Wolf Guard with combi-plasma in each squad, two vindicators and Long Fangs. I could get lucky.

And yes, for those who still play Vanilla, Null-Z iz a Killa!

You still have them, they just are not as effective. The Librarian also only has a 24 inch range so you probably won't be in the open without some form of cover unless you are charging the Librarians ride. In which case he's as good as dead. Either way assuming you spread out your models the blast might get a couple of hits and then you can still take them on the 8 fenrisian wolves.

Well, this time I'd send a Nob Biker unit or two against them, with cybork bodies, eavy armor, power claws, big choppas, all differently equipped.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I'll have to have a crack with my 40 Grey Hunters with Power Fists, dual plasmaguns, Wolf Guard with combi-plasma in each squad, two vindicators and Long Fangs. I could get lucky.

Plasma and missile launchers won't do much when nearly everything has an invulnerable save. You take the plasma on the regular thunderwolves and the missile launchers on the lords. If you wanted you could also just take them on the fenrisian wolves.

Those guys in Rhinos?

Because if they are not, they will die pretty quickly.

That's 14 dead marines from the lords alone at initiative 5

I gonna play my mech Eldar army against them.
This army has to long range support and so only your precious units can take down my tanks in cc.
This would be an interesting game.