Bill O'Reilly And the View

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**WarOne**

Two things that I don't watch- Bill O'Reilly (for being a stuck-up know it all Conservative) and "The View" (full of stuk-up know it all women) actually had me looking at a clip and this news article because they both collided in a titanic clash of five year old spats and phobic viewpoints concerning Muslims.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20019660-10391698.html

NEW YORK (CBS) Bill O'Reilly got into a heated discussion on "The View" and his comments about the mosque near Ground Zero prompted two of its co-hosts to walk off camera while the show was on the air.

The Fox commentator was a guest on ABC's talk show Thursday to promote his new "Pinheads and Patriots" book. The discussion got increasingly heated over the "Ground Zero Mosque" debate and he later went on to say "Muslims killed us On 9/11."

Co-Host Whoopi Goldberg disputed O'Reilly's claims that the mosque was inappropriate. "There were 70 families who are muslim who also died in that building," she said.

"Seventy percent of Americans don't want that mosque down there, so don't give me the 'we' business," said O'Reilly to co-host Joy Behar; the studio audience applauded.

Afterward, when pressed by Goldberg and Behar to explain why the "Ground Zero mosque" was somehow "inappropriate," O'Reilly leaned over and pointed at Goldberg saying, "Muslims killed us on 9/11."

Goldberg exclaimed , "That is such bullsh*t," in the midst of a cacophony of back-and-forth yelling. Goldberg shouted that "Timothy McVeigh [the convicted American-born terrorist who blew up the Oklahoma City Building in 1995] was Christian" before she and Behar walked off the set in protest. They later came back to finish the show.

Barbara Walters criticized her co-hosts for walking off stage during the live show. But she said O'Reilly should make the distinction that extremists committed the terrorist act.

Behar and Goldberg returned after O'Reilly said that "if anyone felt that I was demeaning all Muslims, I apologize."

**Frazzled**

I am just shocked those cows can get up the intelligence to speak.

**KingCracker**

Frazzled wrote:I am just shocked those cows can get up the intelligence to speak.

Writers old man, writers

I dont like O'Reilly at all, but I too find the mosque idea a bit crazy. I know they(and any other religion) have a right to build one where ever. But I mean cmon, yes they were extremist Muslims, but they were Muslims all the same. It just seems a bit like sticking your finger in a bullet wound.

**generalgrog**

The thing I don't get is how this guy or any other pundit gets away with selling books. I could care less what they have to say, and to actually PAY good money to read it?

Amazing.

By the way, I certainly don't like the View, but O'reilly did stick the foot in mouth(whether on purpose of accidentally). He said "Muslims killed us" on 9/11. That point is debatable. Debatable in the sense that a lot of Muslims don't consider those terrorist "true muslims". I mean he was trying to imply that any muslim in the world is capable of doing something like what those Al Queda terrorists did.

Whoopi Gold berg was trying to make the comparison of Timmy Mcveigh, who claimed to be Christian. I question whether or not O'reilly would come out on the view or any other show and say "Christians killed us in Oklahoma City".

That is why they were upset. I don't call that an unintelligent argument.

GG

**Ma55ter_fett**

He has an unhealthy looking tan on his face.

Wasn't he the one who thought the last judicial nominee (Elena Kagan) was gay because there was a picture of her playing softball?

I don't usually pay attention to these nutjobs but when people on TV preach that girl’s softball is only played by lesbians gives me rage.

**Frazzled**

generalgrog wrote:The thing I don't get is how this guy or any other pundit gets away with selling books. I could care less what they have to say, and to actually PAY good money to read it?

Amazing.

By the way, I certainly don't like the View, but O'reilly did stick the foot in mouth(whether on purpose of accidentally). He said "Muslims killed us" on 9/11. That point is debatable. Debatable in the sense that a lot of Muslims don't consider those terrorist "true muslims". I mean he was trying to imply that any muslim in the world is capable of doing something like what those Al Queda terrorists did.

Whoopi Gold berg was trying to make the comparison of Timmy Mcveigh, who claimed to be Christian. I question whether or not O'reilly would come out on the view or any other show and say "Christians killed us in Oklahoma City".

That is why they were upset. I don't call that an unintelligent argument.

GG

Tim McVeigh was one person and an antig overnment nut.
How many terrorist attacks or thwarted terrorist attacks last twelve months in the US alone? What did they have in common? What was Hassan was shouting when he shot up Fort Hood?

**avantgarde**

Frazzled wrote:Tim McVeigh was one person and an antig overnment nut.
How many terrorist attacks or thwarted terrorist attacks last twelve months in the US alone? What did they have in common? What was Hassan was shouting when he shot up Fort Hood?

Fort Hood doesn't count. Hassan was a US Army soldier making his attack state sponsored terrorism. SPONSORED BY AMERICA

Counting Fort Hood and going back to Jan. 2009 looking at Wikipedia's list a solid majority of "terrorist incidents" can somehow be tied to Islam, going back to 2008 it starts to even out a bit (~50%) since the majority of "incidents" in 2008 are probably not tied to Islam. No clue on thwarted.

Also someone bombed a Starbucks in NYC in May, 2009. Made me lol http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/05/25/2009-05-25_small_bomb_goes_off_outside_upper_east_side_starbucks.html

**Frazzled**

avantgarde wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Tim McVeigh was one person and an antig overnment nut.
How many terrorist attacks or thwarted terrorist attacks last twelve months in the US alone? What did they have in common? What was Hassan was shouting when he shot up Fort Hood?

Fort Hood doesn't count. Hassan was a US Army soldier making his attack state sponsored terrorism. SPONSORED BY AMERICA

***That statement lacks a decent foothold in reality.

**MeanGreenStompa**

I'm still undecided on whether I hate Islamic extremists or Fox news more... Both are purveyors of evil.

**Frazzled**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'm still undecided on whether I hate Islamic extremists or Fox news more... Both are purveyors of evil.

Really MGS? thats an utterly inappropriate thing to say. Fox News didn't saw anyone's head off and put it on the internet.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Frazzled wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'm still undecided on whether I hate Islamic extremists or Fox news more... Both are purveyors of evil.

Really MGS? thats an utterly inappropriate thing to say. Fox News didn't saw anyone's head off and put it on the internet.

No, they just peddle drastically partisan pantomime masquerading as 'news' to further the personal interests of their multi-trillionare master inciting hate and misery on a daily basis. If they had pulled the same gak they're pulling on Obama on Bush jnr, they all would have been dragged away for social readjustment programming after being pilloried for being 'anti-American'. Under Bush jnr any criticism of the president was considered traitorous and the phrase 'Un-American' was everywhere, now it's flagrantly encouraged and excuses illiterate halfwits in fancy dress to march through the streets complaining about things that the last president actually laid down.

Of course the comparison wasn't accurate, no I don't think that they are equally bad, I was being acerbic... Mind you, if anyone does saw off Glen Beck's head and put it on the internet, I'd buy them a beer, assuming they were allowed to drink it...

**generalgrog**

I think the point is that the terrorist attacks were about politics...not religion. People hide behind religion to mask their political goals.

GG

**gorgon**

Frazzled wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'm still undecided on whether I hate Islamic extremists or Fox news more... Both are purveyors of evil.

Really MGS? thats an utterly inappropriate thing to say. Fox News didn't saw anyone's head off and put it on the internet.

Ever worked for a News Corp company? If so, you probably would have seen some things that while not evil, were certainly diabolical.

**Frazzled**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'm still undecided on whether I hate Islamic extremists or Fox news more... Both are purveyors of evil.

Really MGS? thats an utterly inappropriate thing to say. Fox News didn't saw anyone's head off and put it on the internet.

No, they just peddle drastically partisan pantomime masquerading as 'news' to further the personal interests of their multi-trillionare master inciting hate and misery on a daily basis. If they had pulled the same gak they're pulling on Obama on Bush jnr, they all would have been dragged away for social readjustment programming after being pilloried for being 'anti-American'. Under Bush jnr any criticism of the president was considered traitorous and the phrase 'Un-American' was everywhere, now it's flagrantly encouraged and excuses illiterate halfwits in fancy dress to march through the streets complaining about things that the last president actually laid down.

Of course the comparison wasn't accurate, no I don't think that they are equally bad, I was being acerbic... Mind you, if anyone does saw off Glen Beck's head and put it on the internet, I'd buy them a beer, assuming they were allowed to drink it...

-Please list those who "were dragged off" in the Bush administaration.

-So because you disagree with them you equate them with the same guys who saw off people's heads, stone gays to death, on and on and on? Really? Really?

**generalgrog**

Frazzled wrote:
Tim McVeigh was one person and an anti government nut.

OK wait a minute... so Tim Mcveigh is the only anti government nut job out there who goes to Church? Or claims Christianity? What about the Aryan Nations/ KKK, that have formed a belief system called 'Identity" where they claim themselves to be Christians while proselytizing a racist cult of Christianity.

They aren't Christians, and it would be wrong for me to get on national television and say "Christians killed that Ethiopian immigrant" "Christians killed us when they firebombed that school in Alabama, killing schoolgirls"

GG

**Frazzled**

generalgrog wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Tim McVeigh was one person and an anti government nut.

OK wait a minute... so Tim Mcveigh is the only anti government nut job out there who goes to Church? Or claims Christianity? What about the Aryan Nations/ KKK, that have formed a belief system called 'Identity" where they claim themselves to be Christians while proselytizing a racist cult of Christianity.

They aren't Christians, and it would be wrong for me to get on national television and say "Christians killed that Ethiopian immigrant" "Christians killed us when they firebombed that school in Alabama, killing schoolgirls"

GG

And did they specifically do it in the name of God?

I've rountinely heard "Christian radical" or "Christian fundamentalist" to describe the abortion clinic bomber and the guy who wacked the 3rd trimester doctor. But we can't say Islamic radical or islamic fundamentalist. PC nonsense. Call it what it is.

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**MeanGreenStompa**

Frazzled wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Of course the comparison wasn't accurate, no I don't think that they are equally bad, I was being acerbic...

-So because you disagree with them you equate them with the same guys who saw off people's heads, stone gays to death, on and on and on? Really? Really?

Now, now Fraz, you're not in court and we're friends.

I already gave you an answer.

But I do hate Fox, with a passion. However you are correct, I hate Islamic extremists more.

**reds8n**

Frazzled wrote: Fox News didn't saw anyone's head off and put it on the internet.

Indeed.

The "News" channel might not, but who knows what exciting new programmes the Fall schedule might bring us !

Not too long until the sweeps start ! I can barely wait 111

**Kanluwen**

Frazzled wrote:

And did they specifically do it in the name of God?

I've rountinely heard "Christian radical" or "Christian fundamentalist" to describe the abortion clinic bomber and the guy who wacked the 3rd trimester doctor. But we can't say Islamic radical or islamic fundamentalist. PC nonsense. Call it what it is.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/10/15/joy-behar-hosts-truther-jesse-ventura-decry-spineless-puke-bill-orei

No, you can say "Islamic radical" or "Islamic fundamentalist".

Making a stupid, generalistic statement like "Muslims did it!" however is ignorance at its finest.

And yes, the abortion clinic bombers and the guy who wacked the 3rd trimester abortion doctor did do it in the name of God. The difference between them and Al Qaeda is Al Qaeda is an organization that has gone out of its way to pervert a religion to serve their own needs.

These abortion fundamentalist/radical groups don't need to do that. People interpret Christianity in enough ways that there's always some idiot willing to drink the Kool-Aid.

As for Joy Behar and Jesse Ventura...
So what? They believe something stupid, in spite of evidence to the contrary. Did you know there are people who don't believe in the moon landing?

Or hey, how about those ridiculously crazy people who think a deity sent his flesh and blood progeny to the material realm to die for our supposed "sins"? Crazy, right?

**Frazzled**

Kanluwen wrote:

Or hey, how about those ridiculously crazy people who think a deity sent his flesh and blood progeny to the material realm to die for our supposed "sins"? Crazy, right?

And now you insult Christians. Hey whatever you need to get your jollies off I guess.

**Hordini**

Frazzled wrote:I've rountinely heard "Christian radical" or "Christian fundamentalist" to describe the abortion clinic bomber and the guy who wacked the 3rd trimester doctor. But we can't say Islamic radical or islamic fundamentalist. PC nonsense. Call it what it is.

Yeah, nobody cares if you say Islamic radicals or Islamic fundamentalists have committed acts of terrorism or whatever else. Just like in this video, people usually only get pissed (and rightly so) when others start using the term "Muslims" as shorthand for "Islamic extremists."

**Frazzled**

Hordini wrote:

Yeah, nobody cares if you say Islamic radicals or Islamic fundamentalists have committed acts of terrorism or whatever else. Just like in this video, people usually only get pissed (and rightly so) when others start using the term "Muslims" as shorthand for "Islamic extremists."

Agreed. Its unfair to slander an entire religion, nor is it accurate. Muslims did not destroy the towers. islamic fundamentalist terrorists did.

But hey if we can slam Christians with impugnity *cough Kanluwen *cough then everyone should be fair game.

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

I thought the whole thing was funny.

As far as the whole building the Mosque on (or near) ground zero I get that they have the freedom to do that but I agree that it is somewhat dissrespectfull to do it. Now to keep that fair I don't think that there should be any religious temples built there, but another thing I don't get is why do they HAVE to build the Mosque there? I don't think it's going to affect their prayers if the mosque is built somewhere else.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Frazzled wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

Or hey, how about those ridiculously crazy people who think a deity sent his flesh and blood progeny to the material realm to die for our supposed "sins"? Crazy, right?

And now you insult Christians. Hey whatever you need to get your jollies off I guess.

I think kanluwen was being purposely sarcastic/obtuse to illustrate his point there, not actually offensive. He was saying 'crazy, right' in an ironic way.

**Frazzled**

An insult is still an insult.

**Kanluwen**

Frazzled wrote:
Hordini wrote:

Yeah, nobody cares if you say Islamic radicals or Islamic fundamentalists have committed acts of terrorism or whatever else. Just like in this video, people usually only get pissed (and rightly so) when others start using the term "Muslims" as shorthand for "Islamic extremists."

Agreed. Its unfair to slander an entire religion, nor is it accurate. Muslims did not destroy the towers. islamic fundamentalist terrorists did.

But hey if we can slam Christians with impunity *cough Kanluwen *cough then everyone should be fair game.

It was an example of how you can make any accepted theory that people believe in sound ridiculously stupid.

I could easily have said that "There are people who believe that every year, on December 24th, a fat man in a red coat flies around the world chucking Elf made gifts from a sleigh pulled by flying deer", but we all know Santa Claus isn't real so...

It's easier to use Christian beliefs as an example of wackiness. Because no matter how much logic you place into them, you're going to end up having to take things on faith--much like the 9/11 "Truther" movements do.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Frazzled wrote:An insult is still an insult.

I highly doubt the creator of universes feels the same way...

With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,
Ephesians 4.2

**Frazzled**

Its still an insults and supports the argument. I note you didn't impugn the beliefs of Muslims, or Hindus, or Buddhists with your statement. That would be wrong, but slamming Christians is just proving your point.

You just proved the PC argument.

**Kanluwen**

Actually it's more because I don't know enough about those religions to mock them.

I grew up Roman-Catholic. I know Christianity pretty well, thus it's easier to draw a line equating the absurdity of an organized, accepted belief system to the absurdity of a fringe conspiracy theory.

**Frazzled**

Kanluwen wrote:Actually it's more because I don't know enough about those religions to mock them.

I grew up Roman-Catholic. I know Christianity pretty well, thus it's easier to draw a line equating the absurdity of an organized, accepted belief system to the absurdity of a fringe conspiracy theory.

And you compound it with that statement, calling Christianity absurd. Way to go there. Do you spit on nuns too?