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A video of an angry father confronting abortion protesters. I'm keeping my own views to myself, since this is controversial, and just figured I'd put this up to bring it to people's attention.
Credit to my friend to linking me to this video in the first place.

Edit:

Ree has provided a link to the man's side of the story which fills in the back story before he shot this video. Take a look if you're interested. He was also the one who linked me to this video in the first place.
http://goodmenproject.com/2010/10/23/confronting-life/

Each woman's right to choose.

Not your womb? STFU.

Mr Mystery wrote:Each woman's right to choose.

Not your womb? STFU.

To play Devil's advocate, because the devil needs some advocates, what about the biological father?

I'm pro life (for the most part) myself, but I HATE THE FETHING PROTESTERS!!!!

My bank is right next to a planned parenthood, and they share a parking lot. If the banks spaces are full, guess where I have to park? Stupid people crowd the car and scream chants at us as my fiance and I get out, while I'm trying to tell them I'm going to the bank. Though I did see one lady get pegged by a slushee, that was pretty cool

EDIT: In before the lock...

Don't attach non warganing pictures please. Ta.

Mr Mystery wrote:Each woman's right to choose.

Not your womb? STFU.

I think no matter which side you are on, the debate deserves a little more than this. That being said I can see both sides views. It's tragic that so many people see abortion as an easy thing to get done, but one has a right to do what they will with their own bodies (mostly). I think the issue could be better solved through greater personal responsibility than any always or governance.

Crazy I know.

People protesting something they think is wrong, someone disagreeing with them.

Did I miss something?

Melchiour wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Each woman's right to choose.

Not your womb? STFU.

I think no matter which side you are on, the debate deserves a little more than this.

Nah... If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker it's too wordy.

Don't slag off the Jesus camp, all opinions are equally valid on dakka, even if some are based on logic and some are based on very very old questionably translated desert fables.

Religious zealots think they can tell random women what they are allowed to do to their own bodies, they think they can tell terminally ill people who are rotting slowly to death with cancer what they are allowed to do. "You can't end your life with dignity because I damn well say so and I'm pals with Jesus"

Joking aside this is pretty much the meat of why I locally hate on religion so much, and I feel sorry for Tue poor guy and his wife in this video.

mattyrm wrote:Joking aside this is pretty much the meat of why I locally hate on religion so much, and I feel sorry for Tue poor guy and his wife in this video.

Considering they were terminating a pregnancy that it seemed like they would not have if it hadn't been for a congenital defect that would have resulted in a stillbirth, I agree with you.

It's a tough position to be in, for sure.

Also be aware that not all pro life people are "religious fanatics" or even religious at all. Not saying I agree with them, I just hate using a single idea or term to group together a diverse crowd. Yes I am aware that a great deal are religious, just not all.

I say if it was rape, incest, etc, it is ok for abortion
But, If its someone who didn't feel like using protection and so got an abortion, they are scumbags.

This is about to get good.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:But, If its someone who didn't feel like using protection and so got an abortion, they are scumbags.

Ugh, you haven't got a clue what real life is like then. What taking adult decisions is like. If people don't have legal abortions, they have illegal ones, in backstreets like in victorian times and people died. That is the ultimate aim of anti-abortionists, get rid of the clinics, get rid of freedom of choice, sweep the problem under the carpet.

People like these women are a plague upon those in difficult circumstances. Women who have abortions do not do so easily, it's not simple, it's not treated like just another form of contraception. Sometimes accidents happen, sometimes there are health concerns, sometimes people simply are not on any kind of position to raise a child. Some describe women having abortions as irresponsible, but making such a difficult decision about your future is taking responsibilty, it's just that some people don't like it if they don't make the choice they approve of. Is it right to force them to go through 9 months of pregnancy? Then what? Take the child away for adoption? Or force the the parent to somehow raise this child, and in a country like the US where there is little healthcare for the poor it's mighty funny how there's a huge outrage against aborting a foetus, but the concept of free healthcare for poor people is scorned as evil socialism by the vrey same religious conservative nutters.

Ultimately abortion is a matter of freedom of choice. Be pro-choice, or against abortion,it's a deeply personal matter and wait for the decision to land at your feet one day. Because it's a big difficult decision to make. But to take to the streets, to scream abuse at these women, to demand that abortion is made illegal and force your morals on others and take away their ability to choose. That's wrong, that's really immoral.

Frazzled wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Each woman's right to choose.

Not your womb? STFU.

To play Devil's advocate, because the devil needs some advocates, what about the biological father?

If he's willing to step in and have Mum play no part in the kids upbrining, then fair enough. If he's doing it for vanities sake, see above. Father's can get up and sod off at any point. Mother's find it harder.

And as for using it is as a contraceptive...does anyone actuallly buy that load of old bollocks??? Condoms split. Biological nonsense can stop the pill working.. No matter the precautions taken, it can and willl fail.

Hence my original statement. Not your womb, STFU.


N.B. Second line not directed at Frazz, before confusion sets in.

People who like people who hate people who love people who know people who hate people who hate people who like people who hate people who hate people who are pro abortion should be hanged.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:But, If its someone who didn't feel like using protection and so got an abortion, they are scumbags.

Ugh, you haven't got a clue what real life is like then. What taking adult decisions is like. If people don't have legal abortions, they have illegal ones, in backstreets like in victorian times and people died. That is the ultimate aim of anti-abortionists, get rid of the clinics, get rid of freedom of choice, sweep the problem under the carpet.

People like these women are a plague upon those in difficult circumstances. Women who have abortions do not do so easily, it's not simple, it's not treated like just another form of contraception. Sometimes accidents happen, sometimes there are health concerns, sometimes people simply are not on any kind of position to raise a child. Some describe women having abortions as irresponsible, but making such a difficult decision about your future is taking responsibilty, it's just that some people don't like it if they don't make the choice they approve of. Is it right to force them to go through 9 months of pregnancy? Then what? Take the child away for adoption? Or force the the parent to somehow raise this child, and in a country like the US where there is little healthcare for the poor it's mighty funny how there's a huge outrage against aborting a foetus, but the concept of free healthcare for poor people is scorned as evil socialism by the vrey same religious conservative nutters.

Ultimately abortion is a matter of freedom of choice. Be pro-choice, or against abortion,it's a deeply personal matter and wait for the decision to land at your feet one day. Because it's a big difficult decision to make. But to take to the streets, to scream abuse at these women, to demand that abortion is made illegal and force your morals on others and take away their ability to choose. That's wrong, that's really immoral.

Bravo. A million times this.

I agree, I was talking about people who use abortion as a replacement for condoms/ the pill, etc (I heard some stories)
Other than that, I am pro-choice



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Looking back, my sentance structure was off. I revised that sentance 3 times, so it looks wonky and didnt get my point across.

Heard some stories does not the truth make.

For example, search for the following on Google.....

Daily Mail Cancer Scares.

Now THAT is a good example of not taking stories as truth.

I know, I dont. However, most stories have some measure of truth.
I bet there has been somebody who has done it

I figure you know within the first trimester if you are pregnant or not, and if so you should be allowed to have an abortion within the first trimester.

After the first trimester the fetus gets big and the abortions get steadily messier (also becomes more risky for the mother), so I am against late term abortions.

In my view this stands for rape and incest cases as well, abortions within the first trimester should be allowed, while later abortions are prohibited. Also I think it should be an easy and simple process to place the child up for adoption if the mother so chooses.

I would support abortion in cases where the mother’s life is at risk and an abortion could save her (I can't think of any, but as this scenario id often brought up I thought I would mention it).

In cases of underage mothers the choice should be in the hands of the parents since they are responsible for the choices their children make until they are adults.

This is my own personal opinion, haters gona hate, but there it is.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I know, I dont. However, most stories have some measure of truth.
I bet there has been somebody who has done it

Given the cost of an abortion compared to the cost of condoms or the pill, I sincerely doubt it.

I find the whole "it's the woman's body" to be a fairly ridiculous argument. It's not "the woman's body" it's the baby's life.

And, before people get all "it's just cells," you're allowed to abort a baby WELL after the point of viability. It's a baby at that point, it can live on its own, and they're killing it.

To be clear, I'm pro-choice. I just think people need to stop lying to themselves, and admit what they're doing. They decided it was ok to kill a baby. Fine. Go ahead. You're still killing a baby.

Roll up, roll up!! Come on then, lets get this thing locked down shall we?


erm, lets think...

Ok, let's try: if God didn't want abortions, he wouldn't have let humanity develop the technology to do...unless satan made mankind build abortions... oh gak wait!!

Hang on, if God didn't want satan to make mankind build abortions then why did God make satan... there we go!

/zing!

Laughing Man wrote:

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I know, I dont. However, most stories have some measure of truth.
I bet there has been somebody who has done it

Given the cost of an abortion compared to the cost of condoms or the pill, I sincerely doubt it.

And people maim their own genitals to post it on the internet.
People do crazy things, someone somewhere probably thought it was worth it

Phryxis wrote:I find the whole "it's the woman's body" to be a fairly ridiculous argument. It's not "the woman's body" it's the baby's life.

Fundamental mistake. You're assuming the woman wants to give birth, a harrowing and painful process. What right do you have to insist the woman suffers that kind of immense pain? It IS her body.

Phryxis wrote: It's a baby at that point, it can live on its own, and they're killing it.

Then why don't we just take it out of the womb and pass it on for adoption?

Oh, wait, because it'd die.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Roll up, roll up!! Come on then, lets get this thing locked down shall we?


erm, lets think...

Ok, let's try: if God didn't want abortions, he wouldn't have let humanity develop the technology to do...unless satan made mankind build abortions... oh gak wait!!

Hang on, if God didn't want satan to make mankind build abortions then why did God make satan... there we go!

/zing!

I disagree with your conclusion. Ipso facto, you are Hitler.

Ketara wrote:

Phryxis wrote:I find the whole "it's the woman's body" to be a fairly ridiculous argument. It's not "the woman's body" it's the baby's life.

Fundamental mistake. You're assuming the woman wants to give birth, a harrowing and painful process. What right do you have to insist the woman suffers that kind of immense pain? It IS her body.

It's only a mistake because to frame the question as Phryxis has makes it much less palatable. If abortion is such a fundamental right, why feel bad about it?

To you, it's about choice. To others it's about the baby and its right to life.

Pro life here.

After the first trimester it is simply wrong. Before that it depends on the many many circumstances.

Using abortions as birth control is horrible wrong. But at the same time I think having a bunch of parentless children stuck in children services is really bad too. Personally I think if its for birth control its bad, and would never use it for that. But also its not my business for someone getting an abortion. There are many reasons to not have a baby, and who am I to say who should be forced to deal with being a parent. Ive seen alot of gakky parents in my day, and it does wonders on their kids

Ketara wrote:

Phryxis wrote:I find the whole "it's the woman's body" to be a fairly ridiculous argument. It's not "the woman's body" it's the baby's life.

Fundamental mistake. You're assuming the woman wants to give birth, a harrowing and painful process. What right do you have to insist the woman suffers that kind of immense pain? It IS her body.

and its the fathers baby

im guessing you dont have any children, correct?

My response to the video: Aren't there bigger problems you people could be screaming about right now...