battle Brother Lucifer wrote:17: Rogal Dorn

Another Primarch I just don't like. Like my countries first president, He could not tell a lie. Or something. I won't lie now, he is a pretty cool guy. Truthful, tactical, and disciplined. He was a master of defense, and oversaw the protection of Terra. However, thats where my liking of him ends. When I first heard about his 'pain glove' I laughed really hard, thinking it was a joke. It was not. I'll go use some good 'ol pain to figure out my problems. Sweet, I got it. Lets cleanse the chapter by attacking the Iron Cage. Tactical genius right there. Lets have the best defenders siege the siege masters. That'll totally work.

"Rowboat, it didn't work, save meh!" Or so Iron Warriors say.
"Rowboat, it's working, come and end it quick lol" Or so the Fists say.
I don't know who to believe. It probably was a mix of the two.
However, he did give the Soul Drinkers the Soul Spear, which was pretty bad ass.
Also, I think Dorn has one of the worst deaths of the primarchs, dying aboard The Sword of Sacrilege. "Lets all attack this chaos fleet that vastly out numbers us. I'll lead the attack myself!"
He could have been a wicked cool guy, but his lame death, 'pain glove', and attack on the Iron cage just ruin him for me.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote: 16: Lorgar.

Lorgar, Lorgar, Lorgar. Where to begin. For starters, he and his legion are one of the main reasons for the Imperial Cult. Lorgar burned ancient icons, seeking to remove all heresy. I think thats pretty cool. Stickin' it to the man. However, Lorgan is told by the Emprah, "Yo, Son, chill. I wanted to free everyone from religion, not become a religious figure."
So, what did Lorgar do? Cry about it. For a month. While wearing hairshirt robes. Crybaby. Then, his lieutenant told him, "Well, since you love venerating, why don't you go to chaos? They love being venerated."
And Lorgar did. In fact, it could be said Lorgar and the Word Bearers turned Horus to chaos. After the heresy, he became a demon prince and is constantly meditating on the planet Sicarus. (Sicarius Sicarus? could there be a connection?) Anyway, Lorgar isn't that cool. He threw his hissy fit because the Emprah told him to stop worshiping him, then turned straight to chaos. Also, that just sounds a bit cheesy, "I want to venerate and worship something!" I'm guessing most other Primarchs would have said, "Sure, Dad." If he told them to do something. But not Lorgar. Quoting from my School's banner thing in my gym, "Be a fan, not a fanatic" That advice probably should have been given to him.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
15: Lion El'johnson

Lions and wolves and 7-foot tall armored space marines Oh My! Well, there are some things I like about the Lion, Within a decade, he led an army and cleared his planet of the 'great beasts', which I think is a pretty big accomplishment. He knocked Russ out cold, which I think is pretty funny, and awesome. He 'preformed a master stroke' and against unfavorable odds, captured the siege weapons Horus would have used againsts Terra. Pretty awesome. However, he traded them to Perturabo to further his goal of becoming the new warmaster. (which definitely would have gone to Sangy anyway, btw. Horus said so himself) This was a dumb move in to ways. First, he traded away the weapons only to further his own goals, and the heresy wasn't even over. Though he couldn't have known, Perturabo was a traitor, and he just handed him the weapons he just fought for.Then, after bombing Caliban, Johnson declared nap time and is sleeping in (Dawyne) The Rock (Johnson) (ha, I made a joke. Get it? Lion el'Johnson. Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson.)
Anyway, now time to actually rant a bit. I dislike Johnson a whole lot. He did do a few cool things, but most of his actions during and after the heresy are unrecorded, or spent doing crap with his own legion. He thought he could have been warmaster, which is kinda dumb, and thought about it before Horus was even defeated. He left/ sent a ton of his chapter back on Caliban, which I also think wasn't a good idea. Also, I kinda picture Johnson as the cowardly Lion from Wizzard of Oz, but whatever

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:
14: Angron. He's Angry for the Emprah! (at least until he turns traitor)


Holy crap look at that cape! Anyway, the reason I like Angron more than the other guys is because of his tragic story (hint hint, also the reason why I like many of the primarchs, including number 1, a bit more).
Also, when he just just lasted on the planet, he killed a bunch of eldar come to stop what he would become. Awesome. Put that in your 'mind war lol' and smoke it. He was inducted as a gladiator, and was undefeated, as well as the crowd favorite. He kept trying to lead a revolt with his gladiators, but continued to fail. Until one day, he broke free with the gladiators and they lived in the mountains, beating back attacks from the cities' armies. Then seven, SEVEN, armies surrounded them. It all looked grim, when suddenly, the Emprah! Mean old dad pops down and says, "Join me."
"Nope. I would rather die with my comrades"
"If you only knew the power of the Imperium. The slavers never told you what happened to your father."
"They told me enough! They told me he was killed!
"No. I am your father."
"No... that's not true! That's impossible!"
"Search your feelings. You know it to be true."
<teleporting noise>
"NOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOO!" (Angron watches his rag tag army get defeated.)
However, he gets convinced way to easy to join Chaos. "Yo, dude, Its Horus. The Emprah is devoid of honor. If you join me, we can rule the galaxy together, Brother and Brother! *muffled*And get revenge on the others and stuff."
The reason why most of my ranking of him is just a Star Wars joke, is because there is little info on ol' Angron. I don't know, I kinda think he's cool, being an awesome demon-prince and stuff.

Also, copied and pasted from Lexicanum "At the time of the Horus Heresy it is said that no other Primarch could have bested Angron in single combat save for Horus and perhaps Sanguinius"
(you'll see that quote again )

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:14: KHAAAAAAN!

"Yeah man, look at my boots." Sweet deal, hes got a bow and arrows, a big friggen sword, high heel boots, and a big helmet plume.
Sweet. For starters, I don't like the 'lol Genghis khan in space' bit. Kinda lame actually. When he was young, his adopted father was killed by a rival tribe on his home planet. Khan raged and brought his tribe to murder every man, woman and child of the other clan. Wow. Khorne would have been proud. He mounts the head of the tribe's leader on his tent, and stated he wanted to unite the tribes, stopped the battle between brother versus brother. I support that plan. After he pissed off a big clan, who bought their armored warriors to fight. Khan tactically geniused his tribes men around, and their volleys of arrows and quick speed defeated the other force. Cool. He then becomes the Khan of the 'whole land.' He then goes Persia style and says, "join or die" to everybody. Most join, both others get wiped out. Seems kinda brutal. (I wonder if Angron and Khan switched planets they landed on...) Then, the Emprah shows up and Khan joins up. Alrighty. Now, there are like four sentences left to his name. During the Heresy, He essentially surfed the top of a razorback and led his troops. Wow, and people complained when C.S. Goto wrote about it Then, after the heresy, he went to get prisoners captured by the deldar, and 'got sucked into a webway portal' but possibly just got lost in a warp storm. Lame
And thats all there is to know about Khan. Wow. My whole ranking of him is basically a summary of what he did. I don't have any real emotions for Khan. He could have been way higher, since he had potential to be a cool primarch, but there is so little info about him.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Number 12: Vulkan


Well, Vulkan. Another character I know little about. When he was four, he decided not to hide from the Dark Eldar raiders. Standing there, with his two smithing hammers, he inspired the people to rise up and they defeated the deldar. Then to celebrate his victory, the Emprah appeared. He did not reveal himself, but he said he could beat anyone in the competition. The towns people laughed and thought Vulkan would surely win. Even going as so far as wagering whoever lost had to serve the victor. They were perfectly tied, so they had an epic tiebreaker. Hunt down the biggest Salamander with a weapon you forge. Vulkan ran out and hunted a big'un. On his way back the moutain, which turned out to be a volcano (lol) erputed and Vulkan was left to cling onto the edge for hours, never letting go of the salamander. The Emprah ran over, and tossed his clearly superior salamander into the river of lava, and saved Vulkan. They went to town, and Vulkan was declared winner. However, he bowed to the Emprah, saying, "any man who would value life over pride was worthy of his service." Then, the Emprah revealed he was the Emprah. I think that is a pretty cool thing, to serve the Emprah even though he lost. Well, thats the last solid info about him, other than he was at the dropsite massacre and he would return in the End Times. I really like Vulkan's back story, but there is virtually no more info (that I can gather from Lexicanum) and that is why he is low. There are other primarchs ranked a bit higher than him I don't know much about, but they are coming up fast

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:11. Ferrus Manus

When he was just a lad, he landed on Medusa, and rather than join a clan, he continuously searched out epic physical challenges. Then, he battled down “The Great Silver Worm” and drowned it in magma. With his bare hands. Bad. Ass. When the emperor arrived, Manus fought him and apparently their fight destroyed mountains. Pretty cool. Durring the Heresy, Fulgrim popped up and asked him to join Horus. Manus got pissed and they dueled. Manus was knocked out, and had his hammer stolen. (So from then on, he battled with an epic wrench) Then, Manus had his head loped off by Fulgrim at a later date. Not much else to mention. (pro tip, Ferrus Manus means Iron Hand in latin)

10. Perturabo

Perturabo has some cool things going for him. He is the Primarch of the Iron Warriors, who are one of my favorite Chaos legions. He also came up with the devious Eternal Fortress trap. (more on that later) I’m not a fan of his pre-emperor story (unlike most of the others) He lands on a planet and is taken in by their Tyrant. He showed no affection back to anyone on the planet or his ‘father.’ Then, when the Emprah shows up, he submits and over throws his adopted dad. Jerk. Perturabo was also envious of Dorn, which I think is lame. (Personally, I’d rather be the best Siege Master than the best Defense crafter.) Then, during the Horus Heresy he switches into ownage mode. Horus gives him an epic hammer, and Perty goes and kills 5 million Olympians because they were in a revolt. Holy gak. However, they did realize what they had done was horrible after they watched the pyres. I like that they had a conscious. If it were the World Eaters, they would have been onto the next planet already. Here is where it gets ugly. The Eternal Fortress (aka the Iron Cage) “a keep centered within twenty square miles of bunkers, towers, minefields, trenches, tank traps and redoubts.” After the Iron Fists finally broke through to the keep, they found out it was just a trap. (again) Then, the Smurfs rescued their bros, etc etc. Over 400 Fists were killed, and their gene seeds were sacrificed. There isn’t really a tragedy involved with Perty, just a ton of killing. Kudos to him for destroying the Imperial Fists.

Formosa wrote:if your going to rate the primarchs, try and be objective.
while i too slightly dislike Gulliman, of all the primarchs, he had the biggest role.
Now "smurf" haters allways point out the fallacy the the Ultras did nothing in the heresy, the truth however is that they took on the biggest legion, The word bearers (Ref: the first heretic) and every marine sent to fight the Ultras was one less on terra. The second thing that gets ignored is that he kept the Imperium alive, then instuted the Codex Astartes, returning a small ammount of trust for the loyalist marines.

I personally look foward to the eventual Heresy era Ultramarine book, it will paint Gulliman in a new light im sure

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Here we go again.

I blame myself for all this, I should have just kept my mouth closed.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Okay, that's going to stop right now. WOLF lords have been called that since the second edition, and though the cavalry thing is a dumb move by GW to try and bring in little kids to splash out mummy's money, for the most part SW get a lot of undeserved flak. A lot of the "wolf" stuff was in the codex in the days of yore, it's only recently that people seemed to have developed a problem with it. Of course they have Rune Priests; they're a tribally themed army, and "Librarians" sounds like the kind of guy the Ultras have dusting off shelves full of arcane crud in the Fortress of Hera. Most SW items are nowhere near as bad in terms of the Blood thing as BA are (the Blood Fist. It's just a regular powerfist, but with 20% more BLOOD) Indeed, I'd say there were only about four items (offhand) that actually fitted this stereotype.

Also, in that, there was not a single comment on the actual Primarch of the SW.

Wow, that was rambly, sorry about that. But yeah, what about Russ himself?

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Next on the list of primarchs is Lorgar. I just have a feeling.

1hadhq wrote:A Heretic
Next will be one of those: Ferrus,Khan,Lion,Vulkan....

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:That'll be saved for his ranking, my friend. Notice I made no mention of Corax in the Raven Guard ranking.
The only reason I called it out so badly was in a different thread, I saw someone post of list of their wolf lord, and like 6 things he had started with wolf.
If Space wolves were just vikings in space, with a touch of wolves, they would have gotten a much higher ranking. Also, the libby vs. rune priest argument is from the HH (I think) when psychers were banned, but the SW's were like, "herp derp we only have rune priests. No psychers here"

Devastator wrote:wold bearers are LEGION
not chapter

Samus_aran115 wrote:Dislike your rating of the bearers.

They're basically the only legion that kept any formal organization after the heresy, as well as being one of the largest legions, and their frequent use of daemons. I find them to be by far the coolest chaos legion.


But whatever. I'm not THAT fond of lorgar either. He's a wimp. If it wasn't because of their awesomesauce color scheme, I doubt I'd play them.