Imperial Armour 10 rumours..

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**reds8n**

Shamelessly swiped from 40K online, many thanks to Mr. White Lancer for the info..

Hey up, went to Warhammer World yesterday for a GCN meet and managed to have a good look at IA10. Suffice to say Carchardons are going to probably become very popular.

Sons of medusa are a literal offshoot of the Iron Hands having seceeded from them in M35. They are even more hardline Mechanicus than the iron hands themselves following prophecies which have been noticed through flickerings in the Astronomican as Mars passes through Terra's orbit. they get a giant Cyborg Master of the forge who allows you to upgrade your Devastators to have FNP so long as their moddeled appropriately

Exorcists have sub cults within them essentially like the Thousand sons in the Graham McNeil novel. They are also at odds with the Ordo Hereticus for their forbidden knowledge regarding Daemons. The Special character comes equipped with a Thunder hammer that auto wounds psykers and daemons, is immune to psychic powers 50% of the time and I believe allows combat tactics to be replaced with fearless.

Salamanders get a funky dreadnought which was built by Vulkan and a duelling captain who comes with 2 power swords (i think) andhas no chapter tactics rules.

Minotaurs are essentially the High lords of Terra shock and awe weapon. They go in and take on anyone even other Marine chapters on a regular basis. Bit of fluff where they beat on two feuding Astartes Chapters. One retreats but the other is mauled nearly to the point of extinction being an Ultramarine2nd founding several other UM sucessors swear a blood vengeance on the Minotaurs. Special Character is a chapter master with a power spear that can function as a bright lance for one shot.

Mantis warriors have a duelling librarian with his own special psychic power and allows for infiltrate.

Star Phantoms just prior to Badab war have lost their homeworld through a Hrud migration. They have a fascination with Death and particularly the idiom: "Only in death does duty end". The special Character Androcles, who takes out Huron, is captain of the 9th and allows you to take Devastators as Elites as well as Heavy

The mystery terminator in IA9? Well he's the Carchardons Chapter master armed with lightning claws and a chainfist which he can split his attacks between. Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january, the forgeworld boys have been looking at the blogposts on the internet and have been amused that just because the picture is green tinted everyone is jumping at him being a mantis warrior or one of the sons of medusa. there are no plans to release Mk1 Termie armour with IA10 but its on the to do list. Chapter tactics wise he allows you to replace combat tactics with Furious charge however afterwards if the unit destroys another in close combat it becomes subject to rage. Fluffwise the carchardons are a crusade type fleet however they are constantly crusading and essentially "living off the land" not coming back in for resupply and are essentially the Imperial boogeyman. Fluff also suggests that the Raven Guard are their progenitors and that the founders were the monsters created by Corax in an effort to rebuild the Ravens after Istvaan V.

You also get a siege SM army which can take Ironclads and siege dreadnoughts as troops. Squadrons of predators, vindicators and whirlwinds. You have to take a compulsory Master of the seige who comes with Artificer armour. Further more to offset the power gamey elements of the list (You can take Achilles as Heavy Support...) the army has to take a special siege objective which it must claim otherwise can only ever draw.

**BrookM**

Interesting. I'm guessing IA10 won't be released until next year then, despite earlier reports claiming it to be a December release.

**kenshin620**

Ironclads as troops? Yes please! (I'll try to avoid using the achilles though)

**reds8n**

BrookM wrote:Interesting. I'm guessing IA10 won't be released until next year then, despite earlier reports claiming it to be a December release.

The poster goes on to claim it will be on pre order soon and then shipping in January.

Rumour has it that the Achilles Land raider will indeed be toned down a little bit when the book is released.

**kenshin620**

Oh ok. Well thats a relief. Just make it in line with the rest of the raiders and better than the Helios

**endtransmission**

IA9 was a great read, so I'm really looking forward to reading the other half of the story.

Much as I hate to say it (as I'm still working on a small Scorpion force) the Exorcists sound like a good ally for my Guard fleet and it's resident radical inquisitor.

I just saw the poster on 40k Online. Very nice indeed, I like the chapter listing side

**Theduke07**

Ah no rumors on Space Sharks? :(

**kenshin620**

Theduke07 wrote:Ah no rumors on Space Sharks? :(

reds8n wrote:
The mystery terminator in IA9? Well he's the Carchardons Chapter master armed with lightning claws and a chainfist which he can split his attacks between. Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january, the forgeworld boys have been looking at the blogposts on the internet and have been amused that just because the picture is green tinted everyone is jumping at him being a mantis warrior or one of the sons of medusa. there are no plans to release Mk1 Termie armour with IA10 but its on the to do list. Chapter tactics wise he allows you to replace combat tactics with Furious charge however afterwards if the unit destroys another in close combat it becomes subject to rage. Fluffwise the carchardons are a crusade type fleet however they are constantly crusading and essentially "living off the land" not coming back in for resupply and are essentially the Imperial boogeyman. Fluff also suggests that the Raven Guard are their progenitors and that the founders were the monsters created by Corax in an effort to rebuild the Ravens after Istvaan V.

**HungryTaz**

Space Sharks = Carchardons

**wolfshadow**

I hope FW releases that Chapter master/MOTF for SOM. Wouldnt mind him for a MOTF for my IH sucessor. Their individual figs are generally affordable.

**Alpharius**

IA10 sounds interesting indeed, especially the Exorcists!

Not to mention hints of Pre-Heresy Terminator armor!

**Kroothawk**

Here the pics from the original post and the commentary:

White_Lancer wrote:Poster is A1 size, sorry for the poor quality, taken on my phone. One side The Chapters involved in the conflict and the other is the stable warp routes through the Maelstrom area. Should be up for preorder soon and shipping on 10th January.

**warboss**

HungryTaz wrote:Space Sharks = Carchardons

sure are. i had to look that one up a while ago... apparently its latin and part of the latin name for the great white shark. they're paying homage to the space shark history without being as corny as the wolfguard thunderwolf riding space wolf carrying a wolf pelt.

**derek**

Yay, Star Phantoms mention, even if it's just a small one for now, can't wait for this book to get what is hopefully way more information on them.

**Prophecy07**

It's actually pseudo-latin and relates to the Scientific name for sharks.

**Kroothawk**

To be precise: Carcharodon is the scientific name of the genus whose only species is the Carcharodon carcharias, the White Shark.
(Working on the translation: "don" comes from Greek "tooth", as this is the most common finding of sharks, as they grow and lose teeth constantly)

**Earthbeard**

Very interesting stuff - even more eager for the book now.

**Chaplain Pallantide**

I wonder what the space shark symbol looks like now? I am really intrigued. I liked them back in the day and wonder what they are going to look like now??

I am also psyched about the minotaurs, they sound pretty cool and again I wonder about the color scheme change if any?

**Malika2**

Lets hope they don't have some fast attack options in which we will see Space Marines riding on top of sharks...

**Kanluwen**

Kroothawk wrote:To be precise: Carcharodon is the scientific name of the genus whose only species is the Carcharodon carcharias, the White Shark.
(Working on the translation: "don" comes from Greek "tooth", as this is the most common finding of sharks, as they grow and lose teeth constantly)

Teeth and jaws are the only findings of sharks, from what I can recall, because their entire body is cartilage which doesn't fossilize.

The new Carcharadon insignia has been mentioned many times. It's a shark contorted in a circle, devouring its tail.

**Sarrazon**

New ~~Space Shark~~ *ahem* Carcharadons rumors make me a happy panda. In case people haven't seen the mystery terminator/their chapter master, by the way, I managed to dig up a pic of it.

**Death By Monkeys**

Malika2 wrote:Lets hope they don't have some fast attack options in which we will see Space Marines riding on top of sharks...

Doubt it. They sound pretty vanilla now. I was actually hoping that just as they gave the Lamenters the Blood Angels rules that they would give the Space Sharks the Space Wolves rules minus Thunderwolves. But now they sound pretty boring, ruleswise.

**Sarrazon**

Death By Monkeys wrote:
Malika2 wrote:Lets hope they don't have some fast attack options in which we will see Space Marines riding on top of sharks...

Doubt it. They sound pretty vanilla now. I was actually hoping that just as they gave the Lamenters the Blood Angels rules that they would give the Space Sharks the Space Wolves rules minus Thunderwolves. But now they sound pretty boring, ruleswise.

They sound... basically like they're supposed to. They've always been a vanilla chapter (though myself and others don't always play them that way), and while I wouldn't have minded the ability to take CCWs and BPs, I am not at all unhappy with how they sound right now. Regular marines who are a bit better in close combat, and who go flying rodent gak when they kill another unit. Blood in the water, and all that.

**spireland**

Its strange that a side company of GW's can come up with this amazing storyline, new rules and models and all GW can come up with.....Spearhead.

**Kroothawk**

Kanluwen wrote:Teeth and jaws are the only findings of sharks, from what I can recall, because their entire body is cartilage which doesn't fossilize.

Not quite, as the White Shark is a living species, not just a fossil

**Kanluwen**

Kroothawk wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Teeth and jaws are the only findings of sharks, from what I can recall, because their entire body is cartilage which doesn't fossilize.

Not quite, as the White Shark is a living species, not just a fossil

Don't you start arguing semantics with me!

The point was that sharks leave no fossils behind outside of their teeth.
Agree/disagree?

**Kroothawk**

Have a look at this finding

... or this one:

http://www.fossilmuseum.net/fishfossils/Paratriakis-curtirostris/Paratriakis.htm

**Kanluwen**

Kroothawk wrote:Have a look at this finding

That's not a fossil. That's a recently deceased Great White. Don't make me get the poking stick.

... or this one:

http://www.fossilmuseum.net/fishfossils/Paratriakis-curtirostris/Paratriakis.htm

I think you didn't read that site very well

Fossil Museum wrote:While shark teeth are abundant in the fossils record, the preservation of an entire shark (having a cartilageneous skeleton rather than bones) is an extraordinary rarity.

I win!

**Manchu**

I'm trying to get on board but the 21st Founding feels like one of the later waves of G. I. Joe action figures when Hasbro was really reaching. Did they bring on Joss Wheedon or J. J. Abrams to trend it up for IA 9 & 10? I'm sure I'll start loving it eventually. When I first got into 40k, I remember thinking "Space Wolves? Really--wolves in space, huh?"

**Kroothawk**

Kanluwen wrote:I think you didn't read that site very well

Fossil Museum wrote:While shark teeth are abundant in the fossils record, the preservation of an entire shark (having a cartilageneous skeleton rather than bones) is an extraordinary rarity.

I win!

Kanluwen wrote:The point was that sharks leave no fossils behind outside of their teeth.

I think you didn't read your post very well:

One shark fossil is enough to disprove "no fossil".
And originally I spoke about findings, not only fossil findings.