Manchu wrote:

But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

Salacious Greed wrote:I think the only scorpion on Loth is on his shoulder pad, so it isn't difficult to make him into another Chapter.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Seriously?

Why the hell not?

GW would have to be daft to NOT do this, and when it comes to sales, well, they aren't too daft, so I'd say... expect it... soon!

MajorTom11 wrote:Chibi-hawks for everyone!

endtransmission wrote:I wouldn't be too surprised if they kept it as BA/GK until the rumoured flyer expansion and then unleashed it on all the marine players with some explanation that the AdMech decided that the BA/GK experimental phase was over and anyone could now use it.

It would fill the Space Marine slot in that expansion nicely without any new models being needed.

warboss wrote:

endtransmission wrote:I wouldn't be too surprised if they kept it as BA/GK until the rumoured flyer expansion and then unleashed it on all the marine players with some explanation that the AdMech decided that the BA/GK experimental phase was over and anyone could now use it.

It would fill the Space Marine slot in that expansion nicely without any new models being needed.

i suspect something like that will happen. IIRC the crusader originally was an armagedon codex unit for templars only (maybe salamanders since they were in there too but can't recall if they got it). then the GK got it in their codex and so did everyone else via a white dwarf article. For the past few years, it seemed GW was adverse to putting any new rules in white dwarf but that seems to have changed relatively recently (spearhead, the nightspinner) to some extent (although they don't go hog wild like in 3rd edition with all the variant army lists). I'm thinking that the chibihawk will be a part of the WD flyer article(s) with an added line about being able to take it for any marine force in normal 40k.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Seriously?

Why the hell not?

GW would have to be daft to NOT do this, and when it comes to sales, well, they aren't too daft, so I'd say... expect it... soon!

Kanluwen wrote:
They'd have to be daft to do it when it's a White Dwarf only thing. People aren't going to buy WD just to use the Stormraven in games.

Kanluwen wrote:Actually, I'm fairly certain that there wasn't a White Dwarf article that had everyone get it.

It was Black Templars and Grey Knight only, then the next batch of Marine codices came out and they all got them.

Kanluwen wrote:It was funny the first time.

And in that regard right there, it doesn't even make sense. There's no "absolutist" statement in there.

Oh, and:
How many people bought White Dwarf for Spearhead?

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It was funny the first time.

And in that regard right there, it doesn't even make sense. There's no "absolutist" statement in there.

Oh, and:
How many people bought White Dwarf for Spearhead?

Good question - what's the answer?

I suspect it will be expanded to most (if not all) SM Chapters via White Dwarf AND the Internet/PDF AND, obviously, just in case they missed anybody, in the 6th Edition SM Codex.

MajorTom11 wrote:...'People aren't going to buy WD just to use the Stormraven in games' isn't stated as opinion but as fact... I think they may. ...

White_Lancer;5182930 wrote:Well yes the word "suggestion" is pretty much all of what it is. It only suggests Raven Guard as the Carcharodon geneseed that the Inquisition recovers has Genetic markers of similar points to that of the Ravens. There is no definitive answer to which they come from but their skin is pale white and the older the Marine gets the more black their Iris becomes eventually subsuming the pupil as well. Theres nothing to confirm that they are the monsters from the Raven Guard, it just suggests... Also they apparently don't play nice with others either. I'm not sure if any of you have read any of the other Imperial Armour books but when they do Space Marine profile pictures usually it says something like:

Brother Argentum, 19 confirmed kills, cited for marksmanship honour

With the Carcharodons (Interestingly a megalithic shark not Greek) their profile say

Unknown battle brother: Pict image captured

Oh one last thing about them the Chapter Master Character? he allows Bolters to be replaced with CCW's

Also The Sons of Medusa special character is a Master of the forge type with a Mephiston esque statline. This is due to all of the bionics he has modified himself with over the years becoming a Giant-Freaking-Cyborg with a servo harness and some other gubbins. I'm surprised more people haven't picked up on the fact that he grants Devastator marines feel no pain for free so long as their suitably bionicy looking as being the travesty of cheese opposed to whether the Carchardons are Raven Guard sucessors or not.

I did also get a look at the Executioners who happen to be an Imperial fists successor if my memory serves. They have a barabarian look about them to deliberately mislead their foes. Their led mainly by their Chaplains who are essentially tallyman, your going to have to forgive me if I get this wrong I was more bothered by the Carcharodons at this point due to the general coolness of them. they should be getting a Reclusiarch and a Chapter master Character.

The book itself has Huron on the front of it, in his Terminator armour and should be coming in a slip case like the Vraks book with an Inquisitional sealed report look about it. Theres going to be some Battlefleet gothic stuff as well to represent the Badab system space war, which is nice to see. Some very cool looking technical specs on Power armour as well.

Further more I had a nice long long chat with the Forgeworld boys and they love just taking a small but incredibly deep slice of the 40k fluff cake, I mean just look at the raid on Kastorel-Novem, cookie if anyone can find that fluff reference (Hint: Its in the BRB). I was speaking to the Author of the books Alan Bligh and he has done a hell of a lot of research into the Badab war and everything in it is taken from canonical sources including the renaming of the Space Sharks to the Carcharodons. The Forgeworld boys also want to do some Mk8 and Mk7 (Yeah, I know you get it as plastic...)power armour further down the line to complete off the set of armour as well

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping the Mk8 is more like the original artwork than the random torso that comes on the sgt. sprue. That art had a lot more character with the armor on hands/arms and legs looking more robust. The helmet also was more interesting than just the Mk7 helmet.

MajorTom11 wrote:Don't forget the bracers over the wrists, knee pads and funny little domes on the ankle joints too!

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm just hoping the Mk8 is more like the original artwork than the random torso that comes on the sgt. sprue. That art had a lot more character with the armor on hands/arms and legs looking more robust. The helmet also was more interesting than just the Mk7 helmet.

MajorTom11 wrote:Don't forget the bracers over the wrists, knee pads and funny little domes on the ankle joints too!

You're both.... right!

I have some faith that FW will do it 'right', but this is lessened by some of the shortcuts they've taken with the recent Heresy-era Power Armor releases...