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We'll compromise and say we're both awesome and sharks need lasers.

Deal?

Deal!

So we are expecting models of:

- Sons of Medusa: Cyborg Master of the Forge

- Exorcists: SC w/TH

- Salamanders: funky dready and two-sword captain

- Minotaurs: SC w/PWcombi-bright lance

- Mantis Warriors: librarian

- Star Phantoms: SC called Androcles

- Carchadons: termie SC

?

Can't wait to see the resin terminator. Should be epic!

Edit: Ah, is it the one that Sarrazon posted on page one? If so, it looks sweet. I'll use it for a Terminator Captain or something.

kronk wrote:Can't wait to see the resin terminator. Should be epic!

Edit: Ah, is it the one that Sarrazon posted on page one? If so, it looks sweet. I'll use it for a Terminator Captain or something.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the one they're talking about. It certainly has the LC/Chainfist combo. It also looks completely awesome and I will be buying it without any doubt.

Manchu wrote:So we are expecting models of:

- Sons of Medusa: Cyborg Master of the Forge

Likely.

- Exorcists: SC w/TH

Probably not.

- Salamanders: funky dready and two-sword captain

Maybe.

- Minotaurs: SC w/PWcombi-bright lance
- Mantis Warriors: librarian
- Star Phantoms: SC called Androcles

I'd say that Androcles is the most likely of them all to be released, maybe the Minotaurs character.

Remember: They're not releasing models for that many of the special characters. Look at how many we saw for IA9. Two out of all of the ones listed.

- Carchadons: termie SC

VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

Manchu wrote:So we are expecting models of...

If IA9 is anything to go by I wouldn't go expecting too many models. We had the different armour types for IA9 and the Caestus, but only 2 characters (Lugft and Loth + bodyguard) in that one. I think there were rumours of a couple of characters for IA10 and a couple of vehicles, one of which will be the Achilles. If I'm wrong I'll be mighty pleased though

Kan, what is your source?

Regarding SharkMaster:

Kanluwen wrote:VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

OP stated:

Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january

Manchu wrote:Kan, what is your source?

Regarding SharkMaster:

Kanluwen wrote:VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

OP stated:

Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january

lol

The one in that picture was/is a conversion knocked up by one of the team developing the books.
It would seem likely that any official model we do get will be quite similar.

@Tom: I never noticed the 11 in your name before. Weird.

@Any other "it would seem likely"s? I'd like to see a Mantis Warriors guy beyond all others, along with Mantis Warrior shoulders &etc. But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

Manchu wrote:Kan, what is your source?

Whoever it was that we had here who actually asked them at Games Day about it

Regarding SharkMaster:

Kanluwen wrote:VERY VERY doubtful. That was a conversion done by one of the FW staff and there's no plans to release it.

OP stated:

Originally a conversion piece he looks to be released at the end of january

That doesn't mean we're going to see that exact model.

In fact, I personally hope we don't see that exact model, because it kinda looks like ass. I don't like being able to identify the components used in a conversion as easily as I can with that.

Any idea what the special siege objective would be? i got the achilles,

and iron clads as troops sounds awsome, a vindicator squadron! amazing! can't wait for this siege list, finally the imperial fists get a special list that represents their speciality

Edit, the first link to the picture didm't work

Manchu wrote:@Tom: I never noticed the 11 in your name before. Weird.

@Any other "it would seem likely"s? I'd like to see a Mantis Warriors guy beyond all others, along with Mantis Warrior shoulders &etc. But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

MajorTom is usually taken

I hope they continue putting out bit kits/generic armor troopers personally. The character models are incredible, but the stuff I can mix into my normal plastics are what really comes in handy for me. I have gotten relatively used to shaving scorpions off of things though lol. I wish FW would do something with BA, they are one of the only main Marine armies without much representation besides shoulder pads and brass. A FW BA dread would be incredible I'm sure!

@Kan, I actually quite like the conversion, Termie's are one of the only forms of armor in the game without much in the way of variants, so the suit that Mk V armor is based on is pretty cool to me! (and no I don't count GK or the old 1st ed circle head guys lol, plastic/resin only comparisons!)

MajorTom11 wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Tom: I never noticed the 11 in your name before. Weird.

@Any other "it would seem likely"s? I'd like to see a Mantis Warriors guy beyond all others, along with Mantis Warrior shoulders &etc. But two insectoid-themed SM librarians seems a stretch.

MajorTom is usually taken

I hope they continue putting out bit kits/generic armor troopers personally. The character models are incredible, but the stuff I can mix into my normal plastics are what really comes in handy for me. I have gotten relatively used to shaving scorpions off of things though lol. I wish FW would do something with BA, they are one of the only main Marine armies without much representation besides shoulder pads and brass. A FW BA dread would be incredible I'm sure!

There's not really much for FW to do for Blood Angels though GW really overdid them.

@Kan, I actually quite like the conversion, Termie's are one of the only forms of armor in the game without much in the way of variants, so the suit that Mk V armor is based on is pretty cool to me! (and no I don't count GK or the old 1st ed circle head guys lol, plastic/resin only comparisons!)

It's not the armor. It's that, personally, I don't like the blades used for the Lightning Claws. Their origin as Dark Elf Warrior swords is too obvious to me and detracts from the overall model.

I'm on a long search for a chapter. Whenever FW puts out things that work with Citadel plastics, I'm happy. Stuff that only works for the obscenely expensive IA world is interesting to look at but I'd probably never spend money on it.

MajorTom11 wrote:

I hope they continue putting out bit kits/generic armor troopers personally. The character models are incredible, but the stuff I can mix into my normal plastics are what really comes in handy for me.

Ditto that. It seems like they are taking note of the non-GW Marine bitz market, or at least moving in parallel. The original context of bitz is not as important as their adaptability, it seems.

As for the original rumors:

The Minotaur fluff sounds a bit like the original purpose of the Space Wolves as revealed in the HH books: specifically created to cull other chapters, and any other hard targets too. I look forward to seeing how they make the Minotaurs stand out from that. I'm guessing a lot of plasma weapons, given the lance on the SC. And given that they eat other SM for breakfast, seems like a good chapter to focus a truescale project on. Lots of broken powerarmored bodies on their bases would be a great theme.

The FNP devs sound really cool! No idea if those will function well on the battlefield (and whether the overhead for the cyborg MoF will be worth it) but I can't wait to try them out. (Er, rather, probably to have them tried out on me unfortunately, as I'm knee deep in Eldar until, oh, 2012 or so. Stupid Apocalypse habit.)

And maybe we'll see Mantis Warrior rules that could be used counts-as for Alpha Legion that actually infiltrate. That would be nice.

There's not really much for FW to do for Blood Angels though GW really overdid them.

Well I can't really argue with that lol... but before this year there would definitely have been room for them! I just hope the plastic Furioso actually happens, then I'll shut my yap lol. FW still does amazing, amazing work in general, I keep buying stuff from them like the T.bolt pilot and others that I have no idea when I'll get around to painting, but they are just so damn pretty... Can't blame a guy for wanting stuff for his army from them!

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There's not really much for FW to do for Blood Angels though GW really overdid them.

Well I can't really argue with that lol... but before this year there would definitely have been room for them! I just hope the plastic Furioso actually happens, then I'll shut my yap lol. FW still does amazing, amazing work in general, I keep buying stuff from them like the T.bolt pilot and others that I have no idea when I'll get around to painting, but they are just so damn pretty... Can't blame a guy for wanting stuff for his army from them!

The plastic Furioso is pretty much guaranteed at this point, isn't it?

But I do have to say: People who think that Ultramarines get too much love need to look at the Blood Angels line

BA could use a FW vendready.

Let me add to the above: I like the idea of them making SM special characters, too. The SM Captain is so customizable, I can probably make 40k rules for any FW SM SC. Or just have them stand-in for an already existant SC. I think Shrike could be an awesome Mantis Warrior captain, for example.

Kanluwen wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:There's not really much for FW to do for Blood Angels though GW really overdid them.

Well I can't really argue with that lol... but before this year there would definitely have been room for them! I just hope the plastic Furioso actually happens, then I'll shut my yap lol. FW still does amazing, amazing work in general, I keep buying stuff from them like the T.bolt pilot and others that I have no idea when I'll get around to painting, but they are just so damn pretty... Can't blame a guy for wanting stuff for his army from them!

The plastic Furioso is pretty much guaranteed at this point, isn't it?

But I do have to say: People who think that Ultramarines get too much love need to look at the Blood Angels line

I hope it's a lock. Who knows these days though, til I see pics I try not to get too excited lol. Hell I may not be excited even AFTER seeing pics! Nightmares of Chibi-naughts LOL

As to UM, technically everything that says plain old 'Space Marines' on the box is UM, which kinda means they have the most. Technically.

Stupid technicalities...

Edit: That Terminator looks so awsome make a good Make a good, well any IC in Terminator Armour

@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Which is what's so disappointing about the lack of Ultramarines upgrade kits for infantry from FW

The Cadian Respirator/veteran gear really adds more "Cadian" to the actual Cadian models, if that makes sense.

It makes perfect sense to me, but I also agree with you about want UM stuff from FW--not the most popular position!

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Technically! lol

In my defense, SM is pretty homogenous in terms of the way they look, they all wear one of 8 marks of PA. IG can look like pretty much anything, so I see Cadians as more unique in uniform than a mark of Power Armour. Granted, there is just no way to cover an army that ranges from chemical mutants to penal legions to fur clad to greatcoats to modern military depending on who you decide to use!

Kan, you are right UM don't have much from FW 'technically', but at least they got a dread!

MajorTom11 wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Technically! lol

In my defense, SM is pretty homogenous in terms of the way they look, they all wear one of 8 marks of PA. IG can look like pretty much anything, so I see Cadians as more unique in uniform than a mark of Power Armour. Granted, there is just no way to cover an army that ranges from chemical mutants to penal legions to fur clad to greatcoats to modern military depending on who you decide to use!

SM are pretty homogenous in how the armor marks look, you're right.
But they do modify it depending on the Chapter. Blood Angels, to use as an example, add ornamentation in the form of the chalices, etc. Raven Guard and the Raptors tend towards having lots of pouches and webbing on their armor for gear, Dark Angels add the robes and concealed blades, etc.

Kan, you are right UM don't have much from FW 'technically', but at least they got a dread!

"They got a dread!" isn't really a good excuse, when your Chapter's getting two vehicles just for them
What I, personally, would have liked to see was a "Chapter Master" kit for each Chapter.

A generic Unforgiven Chapter Master from FW, guy wearing artificer armor with a robe, combi-plasmagun in one hand levelled for a killshot, and his sword hanging loose in his other hand would be awesome.

Kanluwen wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:

Manchu wrote:@Tom: But that's kind of like saying "everything IG is Cadian." 'Only from a Cadian point of view my friend,' must be a saying among many regiments.

Technically! lol

In my defense, SM is pretty homogenous in terms of the way they look, they all wear one of 8 marks of PA. IG can look like pretty much anything, so I see Cadians as more unique in uniform than a mark of Power Armour. Granted, there is just no way to cover an army that ranges from chemical mutants to penal legions to fur clad to greatcoats to modern military depending on who you decide to use!

SM are pretty homogenous in how the armor marks look, you're right.
But they do modify it depending on the Chapter. Blood Angels, to use as an example, add ornamentation in the form of the chalices, etc. Raven Guard and the Raptors tend towards having lots of pouches and webbing on their armor for gear, Dark Angels add the robes and concealed blades, etc.

Kan, you are right UM don't have much from FW 'technically', but at least they got a dread!

"They got a dread!" isn't really a good excuse, when your Chapter's getting two vehicles just for them
What I, personally, would have liked to see was a "Chapter Master" kit for each Chapter.

A generic Unforgiven Chapter Master from FW, guy wearing artificer armor with a robe, combi-plasmagun in one hand levelled for a killshot, and his sword hanging loose in his other hand would be awesome.

+1 to the last for sure!

I'm still thinking the chibi-hawk will get dispersed to the SM in a WD article though! If not, I will shut-up forever about BA love lol.

Seriously though, FW is making smart moves with their latest kits, less insane vehicles (that although awesome) not many will use, more bits for everyone else!

I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper, but it's almost guaranteed it'll be in the Grey Knights book so it won't "just" be BA

Kanluwen wrote:I don't think it will be dispersed to the SM proper,