Who is the most powerful 40K leader?

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**Sanguinis**

So my question to you guys is this. Who is the most powerful 40K leader?

The Emperor-Leader of the Imperium. Most powerful Psyker ever. Possibly has a spirit in the warp that rivals the Chaos Gods in power.

The Chaos Gods-Who's power is so great that if they even set foot in the material universe it would collapse under their energy.

The C'tan (Specifically the Void Dragon)-Who are the Star Gods that made the Necrons so powerful and almost ate the universe.

Eldrad-Who's mind is so powerful he is currently locked in a struggle of wills with the Black Fortress which is a sentient machine that is also apparently a Psyker.

The Tyranid Hive Minds-Who control the whole of the Tyranid race and are also thought to be very powerful Psykers.

The Orkz (I mean the whole race)-Who, its thought, could conquer the Galaxy if they ever got over their own petty feuds and joined together.

The Tau (Again the Whole Race)-Who are thought to be the ones who will inherit the Galaxy after the dust settles.

I know the last two aren't really leaders but they don't really have powerful leaders but according to their fluff they could end up with the Galaxy after a while so I included them anyway.

So I'm curious and thanks for responding!

**1hadhq**

ORks and Tau need leaders too, maybe maggieT and the space pope?

To answer your question:

TheEmperor.

**Formosa**

Sanguinis wrote:
The Emperor-Leader of the Imperium. Most powerful Psyker ever. Possibly has a spirit in the warp that rivals the Chaos Gods in power.

The most powerful being who has ever lived.. yep

**AlmightyWalrus**

The Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind, of course.

Anything else is Heresy!

**Ed_Bodger**

I'm going to use my 1000th post to throw the full weight of my support behind the Emperor, regardless of any argument I back him.

**Joske De Veteraan**

THE most powerfull is (ofcourse) the emperor.. what a question XD

**Eldrad**

The Emperor isnt any more. I mean in his day he would be the gratest only next to maybe Houres. But in the curent time period Grork and Mork are the strongest. As far as Pyshic goes i would say Eldrad all the way.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Eldrad wrote:The Emperor isnt any more.

The Adeptus Custodes called. They generously refrain from suing you and taking you infront of the God-Emperor of Mankind to have your mind ripped to pieces in exchange for your promise that you cease this silliness.

Nah, who am I kidding? That wasn't the Custodes, that was the

, they asked me to tell you to cancel any scheduled events you intend to be going to the next eternity.

**Just Dave**

Eldrad wrote:The Emperor isnt any more. I mean in his day he would be the gratest only next to maybe Houres. But in the curent time period Grork and Mork are the strongest. As far as Pyshic goes i would say Eldrad all the way.

Except Eldrad is even more dead (that's right, more dead!) than the Emperor.

I actually have to say the Emperor.

We don't know the true strength of the Hive Mind or Gork and Mork (are we sure the latter even exist?).
The Tau don't have any real leader other than the Space Pope and well...
Eldrad isn't a particularly extra ordinary being compared to Emps and several gods, as much as I like the guy.
Chaos and C'tan are a close second (joint) for me. The power of Chaos is easy to see and their subjects (eg. Bloodthirsters) are clearly incredibly deadly, however they constantly fail and are reliant on the existence of mankind.
The C'tan are powerful, but dwindling and considering the Emperor seemingly defeated the Void Dragon(?) before it suggests he's more powerful.

Ultimately I have to say the Emperor, it seems a bit Space Marine fanboy-ish, but he did create the Primarchs, Space Marines, access to the webway and much more. I think he'd still be up and running now if he didn't go easy on Horus...

**VikingScott**

The Chaos gods do not lead armys.
Chaos Lords do.
So if anything Abbaddon is leader of that faction.

Emperor most powerful leader.

**WARORK93**

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**Darkvoidof40k**

At the moment? The Emperor. Just the fact that he exists, even as a myth, to many ka-trilla-billions of the normal humans in the universe is a great power, even if he didn't want it.

Modest bastard that he is, of course..

But, he is gonna finally fall over and die soon enough, although it's still a wonder how his magic chair holds his skeleton together..

and how do you have a mind without a brain..

Too many damned questions. That's the upside of the Chaos gods, you don't need to think (Tzeentch does that for everyone, apparently), you just need to walk forward, scream, pillage and die.

**Retribution**

The Hive Mind, the singularly combined psychic might of bazillions and bazillions and bazillions of organisms

**Eldrad**

Actuly Eldrad is very much alive. He may now be part wraith bone tree but wraith bone is a living substance there for he is more alive than any one else on the list.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Eldrad wrote:Actuly Eldrad is very much alive. He may now be part wraith bone tree but wraith bone is a living substance there for he is more alive than any one else on the list.

Not more than the Emperor, and certainly not more than the C'tan or the Chaos Gods.

**Eldrad**

Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.

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All and all i blaame Tzeench for it.

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Also i say that Ynead will be the strongest thing ever.

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He is believed to be able to kill slannesh which is somthing Nurgle couldnt even do

**Emperors Faithful**

Out of this whole poll there are only two individual 'leaders'. And seeing that Eldick is dead, you just gotta go with our Lord and Saviour, the Emperor of Mankind.

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AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Eldrad wrote:Actuly Eldrad is very much alive. He may now be part wraith bone tree but wraith bone is a living substance there for he is more alive than any one else on the list.

Not more than the Emperor, and certainly not more than the C'tan or the Chaos Gods.

I thought his soul was sucked into the Blackstone Fortress? That's a step down in the 'Alive Scale' from even the Emperor.

**DEUS VULT**

Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.

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All and all i blaame Tzeench for it.

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Also i say that Ynead will be the strongest thing ever.

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He is believed to be able to kill slannesh which is somthing Nurgle couldnt even do

*ahem* LOLWUT?
Dude, pass whatever your smoking, man!

**Grass4hopper**

I voted for the Emperor because he has a quantifiable amount of power. Not that we know the upper limits, but we know of a lot of powerful stuff he's done and is still doing.

The Hive Mind MAY be more powerful, but we don't know the full strength of the Tyranid Race and the Hive Mind. One of the IoM theories is that there is an unseen psychic leader of the Nids, but they're nothing concrete to back that up. We just don't know the full extent of the Hive, so the Emperor; with greater know power; wins at this point in time.

The Chaos Gods-Who's power is so great that if they even set foot in the material universe it would collapse under their energy.

If they're as powerful as they claim why don't they just enter the material universe? Cause they're scared little

The C'tan (Specifically the Void Dragon)-Who are the Star Gods that made the Necrons so powerful and almost ate the universe.

Again it's a maybe, but we don't know enough, and as Emperors Faithful pointed out both the Chaos Gods and the Ctan aren't leaders, but groups of squabbling beings. If they ever worked together who knows what they power would be, but they squabble like teenage girls.

**Darkvoidof40k**

Teenage girls squabbling is funny.

AS for the Chaos Gods, destroying the universe, including humanity, would cause them to cease to exist. But as they can exist in different timezones, even before they first existed, they'll survive. But if they don't exist, they can't exist elsewhere but its the warp so it's best if I shutup and don't ask anymore questions. *brain explodes*

**sieek**

sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy

**Darkvoidof40k**

sieek wrote:sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy

They didn't destroy/seal off the warp like they promised they would? Ohhhhh noooo, that's why we voted Imperialists into government this time and not the Homocidalists.

**Grass4hopper**

sieek wrote:

sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy

But the Ctan are not a united group. The Emperor probably kicked the Void Dragons butt, so he can deal with the most powerful Ctan. If they worked together maybe, but they're not working together.

**purplefood**

Grass4hopper wrote:
sieek wrote:

sry guys but c'tan obviously win, they kicked ass back in their time and just went to their age long sleep to stop themselves from killing the whole galaxy

But the Ctan are not a united group. The Emperor probably kicked the Void Dragons butt, so he can deal with the most powerful Ctan. If they worked together maybe, but they're not working together.

The most powerful C'tan is the Outsider but he is pretty gulabble and insane so go figure.
The C'tan went to sleep to avoid dying because of all the psychic races that were created by the Old Ones.

Overall i choose Emperor, not only is he a powerful psyker and a great generl he also commands the entire Imperium.

**AgeOfEgos**

Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.

Might want to clean up your text a bit there, that makes for rough reading.

I'm not sure where that background is from though...here is the only detailed description I've ran across regarding the fight between Horus/Emperor (I believe the old Horus Heresy Board Game had some fluff about it as well);

The Warmaster bestrides the body of a broken angel. Behind him the tortured earth fills the viewport, a bauble for Horus to seize with one clawed hand. Corpses of massacred Marines lie everywhere.

Face glowing with internal bloodlight. Horus speaks. "Poor Sanguinius. I offered him a position of power in the new order. He could have sat at the right hand of a god. Alas he chose to align himself with the losing side."

The Emperor stands transfixed, trying to force frozen words from his tongue. In the end he can only whisper, "Why?" Mad laughter rings out. "Why? You ask me why? Have all those millennia taught you nothing? Weak fool, your timidity prevented you from binding the forces of Chaos. You shied away from the ultimate power. I have bound it to my will and will lead humanity into the new age. I, Horus, Master of Chaos."

The Emperor looks at his former friend and shakes his head. He sees the trap that has ensnared Horus. "No man can master Chaos," he says quietly. "You have deluded yourself. You are the servant, not the master."

A look of rage transfigures the Warmaster. He stretches out a hand and a bolt of force leaps forth. The Emperor screams as agony wracks his body. "Feel the true nature of my power then tell me I am deluded," roars Horus, in the voice of an angry god.

Beads of sweat stand out on the Emperor's forehead, he steels himself against the pain. "You are deluded," he says.

Once again Horus gestures and lances of pure poison sear through the Emperor's veins. "I let you come here, old friend, so that you could witness my triumph. Kneel before me and I will spare you. Acknowledged the new master of mankind."

Desperately the Emperor summons his power and lashes out. Lightning flickers between the combatants. The stench of ozone fills the air. The Emperor leaps forward, sword raised. Weapons clash as battle is joined on every level: physical, spiritual, psychic.

Bolts of force flicker as mortal gods clash, balancing the fate of the galaxy on every blow. Runesword and lightning claw ring against each other with a sound like thunder. Energies potent enough to level planets are unleashed.

A backhand buffet from Horus knocks the Emperor through a stone bulkhead. The counterstroke tears a supporting column out of the ceiling as the Warmaster ducks.

In the warp the Emperor hears the Chaos Powers howl as they feed their pawn more power. The Lord of Humanity stands alone against their massed might and knows that he is losing. Somehow he cannot bring his full force to bear on the Warmaster. Horus shows no such restraint.

A lightning claw cuts the Emperor's armour as if it were cloth, sheers through flesh and bone. The Emperor ripostes with a psychic stroke intended to disrupt the Warmaster's nervous system. Horus laughs as he deflects it.

His claws take the Emperor across the throat, opening windpipe and jugular. Another blow severs the tendons on his wrist, causing the sword to drop from nerveless fingers.

Insane laughter echoes round the chamber. Horus breaks several ribs with an almost playful punch. A surge of energy seers the Emperor's face, melting the flesh till it runs, bursting an eyeball, setting his hair alight. The Emperor stifles a whimper, wonders how he can be losing. Blackness threatens to engulf him.

Horus grasps his wrists, splintering bones. Blood pumps from the Emperor's throat. Horus lifts his foe above his head and brings him down across his knee, breaking his spine.

For a second the Emperor knows only darkness then a flare of agony brings him back to consciousness as Horus rips his arm from its socket. The Warmaster howls with bestial triumph.

Suddenly the battering stops. Through his good eye the Emperor sees a solitary Terminator has entered the room. The Marine charges towards the Warmaster, stormbolter blazing. Horus looks at him and laughs. For a moment he stands triumphant, allowing the Marine to see what he has done to his Emperor.

The Emperor knows what is going to happen next, sees the gloating triumph on Horus' face. There is no trace of his friend left there. There is only a daemon driven by insane destructive fury.

Horus turns his burning gaze on the Terminator and the Marine's flesh flakes away to reveal his skeleton, then even that is gone, reduced to dust.

The Emperor sees the trap that has been set for him. He has been restraining himself, trying not to hurt one who had been as a son to him. Now he sees that there is no trace of his trusted comrade left. He knows that he must stop this semblance of his former friend and avenge the fallen Terminator. He must strike one deadly blow. He will get no other chance.

He gathers every particle of his power, focuses it into a mighty bolt of pure force, more coherent than a laser, more destructive than an exploding sun. He aims it as Horus, a lance of power destined for the madman's heart. Horus senses the upsurge of energy and turns to face the Emperor, a look of horror on his face.

The Emperor lets fly. It strikes the Warmaster. Horus screams as destruction rains down on him, twisting and writhing in titanic agony. He strives frantically to counter the Emperor's deathblow but his struggles become more feeble as the lethal energies play over him.

Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn. As they do so sanity returns to the Warmaster. The Emperor sees realisation of the atrocities he has committed flicker across Horus' face. Tears glisten there.

Horus is free but the Emperor knows he himself is dying and that the Powers of Chaos may once again possess the Warmaster and he will not be there to stop them. He cannot take that risk. Horus must die. Yet for a second, looking into his old friends face, he hesitates, unable to do the deed. Then he thinks of the slaughter that still goes on outside, may go on forever. Resolve hardens within him.

He forces all mercy and compassion from his mind, empties it of all knowledge of friendship and coimraderie and love. His eyes lock with Horus and see understanding there. Then with full cold knowledge of what he is doing the Emperor destroys the Warmaster.

Source:

Horus Heresy
The assault on Earth
by Bill King
(taken from White Dwarf #161)

Back to the original thread; If you include the Chaos Gods then I would say they would logically be the most powerful. Big E would be second.

**purplefood**

That is awesome...
Emperor has never seemed so badass.

**Mr Nobody**

I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.

**Grass4hopper**

After reading the quote AgeOfEgos posted from WD, I'd say that proves the Emperor is more than a match for the Chaos. The only reason be almost lost was because he let his compassion blind him, but it was never a question of power. Hell from the wounds Horus gave him he should have died outight, but his overwhelming power allowed him to continuing living (even for a short time) and destroy Horus even though he have the full power of all 4 Chaos Gods.

Mr Nobody wrote:

I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.

Yes, but again we don't know the full extent of the Hive Minds powers. Is it more powerful than the combined Chaos Gods, cause the Emperor beat their warped behinds.

**purplefood**

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.

The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...

**Mr Nobody**

purplefood wrote:
Mr Nobody wrote:I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.

The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...

You could say that's another one of it's strengths, it doesn't have a single body, making it difficult to kill. Like Gork and Mork.