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Mr Nobody wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I'd have to say the hive mind since it can control trillions of organisms at the same time, and even an iota of it's focused power can take out tanks or even a craftworld.

The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...

You could say that's another one of it's strengths, it doesn't have a single body, making it difficult to kill. Like Gork and Mork.

It's a strength and a weakness as it makes it near impossible to kill but unable to focus it's full power.

I put my vote in for the Emperor as well, I think that fact he was awesome and powerful, but could still feel compassion for one of the sons he created adds a little bit of humanity to his character.

I dont feel like we know enough about the hive mind to judge its or their power.

I would have to say though that currently I dont feel like the chaos gods or the Emperor are really leaders, more of a spiritual path or doctrine "For the Emperor", "Blood for the Blood God" and all that jazz.

ragnor2004 wrote
I would have to say though that currently I dont feel like the chaos gods or the Emperor are really leaders, more of a spiritual path or doctrine "For the Emperor", "Blood for the Blood God" and all that jazz.

I was under the impression that the Emperor was still influencing the IoM, in subtle unseen ways. But you're right that he's not the direct leader like he was before ascending to the Golden Throne.

I voted The Hive Mind. Because, as the above states,

purplefood wrote:The Hive Mind is the collective consciousness of all of them. I'm not sure there is even an organism strong enough to harness that power apart from maybe the Emperor or the Chaos Gods...

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Mr Nobody wrote:You could say that's another one of it's strengths, it doesn't have a single body, making it difficult to kill. Like Gork and Mork.

Yeah.

The Big E all the way.

Well, the thing we all have to realise here is that there is a pretty obvious divide, really. You've got "Gods" on the material plane and "Gods" on (or in?) the immaterial plane of existance.

The Hive Mind is on the material plane, as far as we know. Sure, it could be some massive warp entity that is smart enough to disrupt humanities' communication and transport capabilities, but I believe that its just on feature of the race as a whole.

But ultimately, something did create them. Unless there's some real good evolution going on there..

The C'tan are also on the material plane. They're just nigh-invincible mortals at the end of it. They can't even tough the warp - no psychic power, hence they are far less powerful than the Emperor.

Although, sadly, the Emperor is getting a bit past his prime..

Emprah FTW!
I would say the chaos gods, but as mentioned earlier, they are realient on humankind.

Grass4hopper wrote:After reading the quote AgeOfEgos posted from WD, I'd say that proves the Emperor is more than a match for the Chaos. The only reason be almost lost was because he let his compassion blind him, but it was never a question of power. Hell from the wounds Horus gave him he should have died outright, but his overwhelming power allowed him to continuing living (even for a short time) and destroy Horus even though he have the full power of all 4 Chaos Gods.

I would have thought it was rather only a fragment of the combined powers of Chaos Undivided, thus making Chaos more powerful than the capital E, seeing as just because he held back a bit, a deluded servant(Though far above being a mere pawn) almost destroyed him and put him in a golden wheelchair. Without wheels. And with some huge technological wonders.

So, yeah, it's the pantheon of Chaos for me, obviously.

For me, at first glance it would be a toss-up between the Emperor and the four gods of Chaos.

Obviously, Horus nearly defeated the Emperor, but we know not how much the Emperor held back (Presumably alot, as he's done alot since his interment in the Golden Throne), how much his powers have grown since he was placed in the Golden Throne (See Gideon Ravenor), and all the psykers that have joined his collective consciousness (The Inquisition Trilogy leads one to believe that psykers consumed by the Golden Throne become 'part' of the mind of the Emperor) and how much of the powers of the Chaos Gods they were channeling into Horus (Was it a fraction, or a very large portion?)

In the end however, there is only the Emperor, for he is our shield and protector.

(Also, didn't Slaanesh go 'OM NOM NOM' on Eldrad's soul inside that Blackstone fortress?)

Just saying, is there ANY advantage for the Chaos gods in NOT channeling as much power as possible through Horus to kill the Emperor? If they really wanted him dead, they would've channeled as much of their power as possible through Horus, yes? And the Emperor STILL held back, until Horus killed Anonymous Terminator #28. That would suggest to me that the Emperor is, indeed, more powerful than all four Chaos Gods working in concert. They tried to kill him, didn't work, end of story.

Well, there's two points working against that theory my friend.

First, that Horus likely wouldn't have been able to withstand the entirety of the powers of the Chaos Gods channeled through him, thus it couldn't have been the true scope of their powers.

Secondly, who said they want the Emperor dead. Since his placement on the Golden Throne, Mankind has taken a downward spiral into a brutal age that holds human life to be worth nothing, and the Emperor is behind alot of that. Perhaps if the Emperor had fallen that day, he would have been hailed even moreso as a martyr, and mankind would have risen above the state they are now, not become ruled by hatred and fear. Perhaps the Emperor would have even ascended in a fashion into the warp and became an even more powerful entity, powerful enough to truly challenge and defeat the Chaos pantheon. We just don't know......Tzeentch might however, and thus kept his 'brothers' from out-right destroying the Emperor and creating a foe they would not be able to defeat in the future.

Also might have simply been amusing to the Chaos gods to snatch victory from their champion at the moment of his triumph...they aren't the most benevolent of entities.

I still have to say eather Ynead or Malal

1hadhq wrote:Orks need leaders too, maybe maggieT?

ork leader= maggie thatcher?
ghazghkull mag uruk thraka
ghazghkull mag urut thatcha
ghazghkull margaret thatcher.

Eldrad wrote:I still have to say eather Ynead or Malal

Malal? I simply ask, how can the god that pretty much rules the domain of contradiction and has almost no followers at all be the most powerful leader in the galaxy?

I wouldn't bother man, remember your listening to the opinion of someone that said:

Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head and the only reason why the emperor killed Horus is becuase Horus was using some sort of invaunrable save device that was believed to be damaged when he was fighting a grater demon of khorn or so im told.


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All and all i blaame Tzeench for it.


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Also i say that Ynead will be the strongest thing ever.


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He is believed to be able to kill slannesh which is somthing Nurgle couldnt even do

Eldrad wrote:Actuly what happened in the battle imbetween Horus and his father is that Horus rammed a sword through his fathers head

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with all of you that the Emperor is the most powerful.

I forgot about Gork and Mork. Do we know that they exist?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Just saying, is there ANY advantage for the Chaos gods in NOT channeling as much power as possible through Horus to kill the Emperor? If they really wanted him dead, they would've channeled as much of their power as possible through Horus, yes? And the Emperor STILL held back, until Horus killed Anonymous Terminator #28. That would suggest to me that the Emperor is, indeed, more powerful than all four Chaos Gods working in concert. They tried to kill him, didn't work, end of story.

Actually, that would make Anonymous Terminator #28 the most powerful being in the universe, as he brought the full wieght of the Emperor's ability against Horus.

guys stop being jerks im sorry i don't know everything in 40k's complicated story line . I also don't play marines. Im going off of what my friend Adam told me leave me alone. Plus Malal is the strongest Primarch left he is a chaos god of hating chaos. Plus all the other chaos gods have bean around for well over 20,000 years . They also have their own entitys like demons. Malal doesnt have as much followers one because he's only bean around for roughly 7,500 years. I believe he was younger than the other Primarchs. If all of you havent forgot Malal fought his way to power all the other gods just kinda came into being. So ya Malal is pretty fricken strong. And if you guys dont remember Nurgle has had multiple wars with Slaanesh and neather of them have ever won. So ya nurgle cant kill Slannesh and if Ynead can he would be in my book stronger than some of the chaos gods. So ya dont doubt what i know


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Also Just Dave have fun insulting my on nurdy things i dont care about you

First up, no one has been a jerk. Or at least not to you.

The Chaos Gods struggle against each other constantly, no one has bested anyone. Just as Nurgle couldn't defeat Slaanesh (especially at his/her/its zenith, though according to legend he managed to save Isha from Slaanesh) neither has Slaanesh done any better.
Ynnead is a sort of 'ace in the hole' for the Eldar that is by no means an existing being. Even if it were to be real, it doesn't exist yet.

As for Malal, Games Workshop has pretty much shut their mouth up about him, so his fluff has gotten kind of dusty.


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And would it hurt to utilise some propa grammah?

Emperors Faithful wrote:First up, no one has been a jerk. Or at least not to you.

No, no. I have. Kind off...
I was promptly mocked in return though, particularly for showing an interest in 'nurdy things' and being inferior to his clearly superior knowledge.


Nonetheless, could it be argued that the Emperor is the most powerful as he's seemingly immune to what appears to be his biggest threat; Chaos?

He does kind of deter chaos and i never said that you had inferior knowledge all i said was that i know my share as well. I will say that i mocked you on insulting my on nurdy grounds. No i cant get better grammer but I'm sorry if it bothers you. I would actuly say that there are bigger threats to the Emperor of man such as there being a fricken web way gate in Terra that the Empire doesn't know about. So dark Eldy i would say are pritty scarry.

Hey Eldrad, I had completely forgotten about Malal and had to Lexicanum that. It seems GW was forced to discontinue his existence as they did not (ironically) own the intellectual property. Still, good point on bringing him up....I had forgotten he existed.

Regarding attacks, we're all just discussing fictional characters in a fictional world so I don't believe anyone is attacking...just disagreeing. Toy soldiers and all that. However, grammar/punctuation and spelling is a lesser requirement of the posting rules;

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

It just makes it easier on the eyes for others reading your posts and will save you a bit of hassle when others point it out. For example, others may be turned off from your post early on due to the grammatical nature of it...that they may miss you bringing up lesser known fluff (Like Malal).

Cheers.

Lokirfellheart wrote:Emprah FTW!
I would say the chaos gods, but as mentioned earlier, they are reliant on humankind.

Does the Emperor not rely on huge armies of humans? He wouldn't be able to hold the Imperium of Man together if he didn't have his marines and Imperial Guard to protect him. I too say the Emperor, because in the end, he's the one with a galaxy spanning empire.

Eldrad wrote:He does kind of deter chaos and i never said that you had inferior knowledge all i said was that i know my share as well. I will say that i mocked you on insulting my on nurdy grounds. No i cant get better grammer but I'm sorry if it bothers you. I would actuly say that there are bigger threats to the Emperor of man such as there being a fricken web way gate in Terra that the Empire doesn't know about. So dark Eldy i would say are pritty scarry.

I'm not trying to attack you, but first you said Malal would be the most powerful leader, which I think is rather implausible, seeing as he has almost no followers.

And now you're suddenly speaking of the DE as a whole being a threat to humanity from that Webway Gate? I fail to see a connection between the two and much less connection between the latter and thread subject.

This thread is spiraling out of control.

Linguist i was just comenting on what Just Dave had said about how Chaos is the Emperors biggest threat. I just dont think it is true. The emperor had always seen aliens as his biggest threat so why would that ever change? Correct me if I'm wrong but i think that the emperor is pretty vaunrable in his big metal chair.

You are still way off topic talking about Dark Eldar this is a who is the most powerful character thread. Good knowledge on malial however.

Thank you Ed and sorry for how off topic i am


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On another note i think that it depends on what your rating. Ultimate power Emperor (at one time). Warp entitys Chaos gods. Support Eldrad. Tyrant Hive Mind. Orks are orks. Comi's of space = tau. and so on and so forth. Each person/race is good at somthing else is all im saying


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sorry i ment to say dictatore hive mind

VenerableBrotherPelinore wrote:
First, that Horus likely wouldn't have been able to withstand the entirety of the powers of the Chaos Gods channeled through him, thus it couldn't have been the true scope of their powers.

Secondly, who said they want the Emperor dead. Since his placement on the Golden Throne, Mankind has taken a downward spiral into a brutal age that holds human life to be worth nothing, and the Emperor is behind alot of that. Perhaps if the Emperor had fallen that day, he would have been hailed even moreso as a martyr, and mankind would have risen above the state they are now, not become ruled by hatred and fear. Perhaps the Emperor would have even ascended in a fashion into the warp and became an even more powerful entity, powerful enough to truly challenge and defeat the Chaos pantheon. We just don't know......Tzeentch might however, and thus kept his 'brothers' from out-right destroying the Emperor and creating a foe they would not be able to defeat in the future.

Also might have simply been amusing to the Chaos gods to snatch victory from their champion at the moment of his triumph...they aren't the most benevolent of entities.

If the Emperor had ascended that could have been a blow to the Chaos, who knows. But for the sake of this discussion lets say Horus killed the Emp, and the Emp didn't go all Obi-wan on them. Then the Chaos could have warped all of humanity into whatever form benefitted them the most.

CommissarCandlestick wrote:
Does the Emperor not rely on huge armies of humans? He wouldn't be able to hold the Imperium of Man together if he didn't have his marines and Imperial Guard to protect him. I too say the Emperor, because in the end, he's the one with a galaxy spanning empire.

But the Emperor doesn't rely on human for his power, the Chaos Gods do.