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I am going too copy and paste what was said in previous topic, since it was locked (even though there was a hefty discussion about fish people in the thread and I didnt want too start a new one) anyway

I recently talked with a gw(I know not reliable but keep reading) staff over the phone about the SEA CREATURES RULES all I asked was

"are there any models that use this rule"

all I got as a reply was

"as of yet none"

then I asked

"any models planned"

he said

"Cant tell you" then he said "but keep a watch out, very soon" he gave a nice laugh over the phone and I said goodbye.


say what you will but I think its going too be a sea creature army of sorts - OR - a race is getting and update and getting a few sea creature models (maybe dark elves)

the reason I say its going too be an new army is because it doesn't make sense too release a rule for a single monster unless all armies are getting some kind of sea creature.


non the less keep a big lookout for these SEA CREATURES

Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

If anyone uses sea creatures I'd expect it to be Elves more likely to be Dark Elves at that.

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

Hm, pirates? oh oh... I hope the models dont look awesome... =D

Fishmen! Finally the rise of the gilled ones!

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

You realize it takes a lot more than a year to do a release, right?

Plus: a "pirate sea creature army" already exists.

It's called Corsair heavy Dark Elves with Hydras.

Maybe he was refering to the gobbo spider (since it looks a bit like a crab).

The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

Didn't they FAQ out the Wood Elves getting a free wood, and just make it so that the Wood Elves can pick exactly what type of wood a specific piece is?

Really? Dunno. RTides?

I just looked, and I think I crossed wires with a wishlisted part from elsewhere.

Change the second sentence to “In Pitched Battles, just after
the roll for deployment zones, but before any units have been
deployed, the Wood Elf player can place an extra wood (no
larger than 6" in diameter) anywhere in his deployment zone.”

Wasn't there a thread about a big announcement for Fantasy supposed to be dropping this summer too?

Kanluwen wrote:

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

You realize it takes a lot more than a year to do a release, right?

Plus: a "pirate sea creature army" already exists.

It's called Corsair heavy Dark Elves with Hydras.

I don't think I ever said it only takes a year? or even mentioned that fact, also dark elves corsair army with hydras inst exactly underwater sea creature army is it....name 1 unit in dark elves corsair list that uses the SEA CREATURE rule in warhammer fantasy rulebook


look all I know is that there is a rule about sea creatures and NO ONE uses it there is not even a single unit that would fit into that rules description, for me it seems silly and a waste UNLESS either they plan to release sea creatures or something else ...

think what you will of it



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epy346 wrote:Wasn't there a thread about a big announcement for Fantasy supposed to be dropping this summer too?

yar and they even said its something we wont be expecting

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

yevix wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why be on the lookout for them, when they've already been introduced at least once before?

Storm of Chaos had the "Merwyrm", wherein they were a Monstrous Creature that had the Aquatic rule and let them ignore deep water--even becoming normal sized targets when submerged.

merwyrm had no models and I think storm of chaos was in 2004 so the rule for SEA creatures didn't even exist then, maybe rules made for the merwyrm specifically but not in the main rulebook - its kinda silly too include a rule (in 2010) for a creature that came out in 2004 has no models and was specifically made a for storm of chaos


I have this sick feeling in my stomach that GW are making a release for a new army (fish/sea army) and trying too release it during the pirates Caribbean craze (new movie out this year) - a pirate sea creature army

Pirates are always cool
sea race hasn't been done before
2011 perfect release time in sync with POTC movie

this annoys me because they are simply trying to make money

You realize it takes a lot more than a year to do a release, right?

Plus: a "pirate sea creature army" already exists.

It's called Corsair heavy Dark Elves with Hydras.

I don't think I ever said it only takes a year? or even mentioned that fact, also dark elves corsair army with hydras inst exactly underwater sea creature army is it....name 1 unit in dark elves corsair list that uses the SEA CREATURE rule in warhammer fantasy rulebook

To have timed it for release this summer with the Pirates of the Caribbean movie, they would have been working on it for roughly a year.

It takes at least three years for models alone to be done for an army that has no supporting range previously.

look all I know is that there is a rule about sea creatures and NO ONE uses it there is not even a single unit that would fit into that rules description, for me it seems silly and a waste UNLESS either they plan to release sea creatures or something else ...

Or they could just be doing it so that players can make their own critters and have a framework to go from.

think what you will of it

Think that you're way offbase and reading waaaay too much into a vague comment?
Sure.

I mean, look at how the fake psychics on TV work. They make the most vague, nonspecific comments they can. And if something turns out right--they hop up and down pointing at it.
Let's not have rumors for gaming starting to act like that, can we?

Sounds like the phone rep was just having a bit of a jest at your expense.

It takes at least three years for models alone to be done for an army that has no supporting range previously.

firstly ask yourself, when did they start making the 8th edition rules,

it was released in 2010 , so it must have began (being made) in at least 2009 or even 2008 and since the 8th includes sea creature rules they must have started thinking about sea creatures around the same time so they could have started making it a long time ago

and making it release during the movie isnt silly, since it makes perfect sense too capitalise on a movies success - the info on the new movie came out in 2010 so they could have said "hey its perfect too release this thing we have been working on since we began making 8th edition"

Or they could just be doing it so that players can make their own critters and have a framework to go from.

really? have they ever released a rule in the main rulebook that can only be used in friendly games (since custom made units aren't allowed in tourneys) unless you are saying I can make a sea creature and use him in a tournament and claim its allowed because rulebook allows it.

wouldn't it simply make sense too release a white dwarf article on sea creatures. no they felt it was necessary for the MAIN RULEBOOK too have sea creature rules..

I may be reading too much into it but I never said its going too be a race (I think it might be) it could simply be a special unit being made for every army etc






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SkaerKrow wrote:Sounds like the phone rep was just having a bit of a jest at your expense.

oh come on its not like I asked him any new race or unit is coming out all I asked was what unit I can use with those rules, since he said none I assumed some are in the making, him telling me that he cant tell me anything sorta suggests SOMETHING at least is in the making process

It would be cool to have a fish-man army (like Sahuagin), and it would be enough to get me to collect fantasy, but I don't see it happening. They are definitely NOT trying to cash in on PotC.

Klawz wrote:It would be cool to have a fish-man army (like Sahuagin), and it would be enough to get me to collect fantasy, but I don't see it happening.

Land Shark!

Land shark?



Land shark.

yevix wrote:

It takes at least three years for models alone to be done for an army that has no supporting range previously.

firstly ask yourself, when did they start making the 8th edition rules,

it was released in 2010 , so it must have began (being made) in at least 2009 or even 2008 and since the 8th includes sea creature rules they must have started thinking about sea creatures around the same time so they could have started making it a long time ago

and making it release during the movie isnt silly, since it makes perfect sense too capitalise on a movies success - the info on the new movie came out in 2010 so they could have said "hey its perfect too release this thing we have been working on since we began making 8th edition"

You seriously need to rethink your arguments if all you have to go on is "OMG PIRATES THIS SUMMER! SEA CREATURE RULE! MUST BE LINK!". You're trying to force a square peg into a round hole, and it will only end badly.

If they were making it for a single army, then the rule would have actually been in that specific army book. The fact that it's in the main rulebook means they're just covering their bases for the future.

And, really...
You think the Pirates of the Caribbean(which is pretty much the female "Oooh Johnny Depp!" crowd) fanbase are scouring the Internet looking for 28mm pirates?

Or they could just be doing it so that players can make their own critters and have a framework to go from.

really? have they ever released a rule in the main rulebook that can only be used in friendly games (since custom made units aren't allowed in tourneys) unless you are saying I can make a sea creature and use him in a tournament and claim its allowed because rulebook allows it.

You do realize the main rulebook also contains stuff that is geared towards campaign play or massive multi-army battles yeah?

Or are you playing in tournaments that do that kind of stuff?

wouldn't it simply make sense too release a white dwarf article on sea creatures. no they felt it was necessary for the MAIN RULEBOOK too have sea creature rules..

I may be reading too much into it but I never said its going too be a race (I think it might be) it could simply be a special unit being made for every army etc

You're definitely reading way, way too much into it. They put "generic" special rules into the main rulebook. Not army specific.

Also:...the Merwyrm!

SHOCKING!

SkaerKrow wrote:Sounds like the phone rep was just having a bit of a jest at your expense.

oh come on its not like I asked him any new race or unit is coming out all I asked was what unit I can use with those rules, since he said none I assumed some are in the making, him telling me that he cant tell me anything sorta suggests SOMETHING at least is in the making process

Yes, because GW staff are well-known for spilling the beans...

Oh wait. They're not. They're too bloody terrified of being fired for accidentally spoiling potential releases.

The Dreadnote wrote:Land shark?

Candy gram

I think the idea was clearly in their minds when they did 8th. There is an aquatic race that plagues Dark Elf Corsairs that referred to in the timeline and has also been mentioned in previous DE books.

This is not to say it will happen, but I believe they are mulling it over (or have mulled it over and moved onto something else).

Kanluwen wrote:If they were making it for a single army, then the rule would have actually been in that specific army book. The fact that it's in the main rulebook means they're just covering their bases for the future.

Kanluwen wrote:You do realize the main rulebook also contains stuff that is geared towards campaign play or massive multi-army battles yeah?

Along these lines, I've heard some rumors that there's a possibility of a summer WHFB campaign. Could be that the aquatic rules will tie in to this. But my sources also tell me that there are no new Fantasy army factions in the immediate future.

Some lizardmen are aquatic and can swim in water with no penalty. I can see them maybe getting a deep swamp dwelling creature, but then again if you look at army books you can no longer really field monsters anymore. Instead you can oly for the most part use them as mounts. Where as back in the day you could actually just field the monster itself. I think the rules are just there for now as if you wanted to add them in a custom campaign or custom game.

I really want a Samurai, Ninja, Shaolin Monk army super bad. I want them to bring on the Nippon and Cathay on board. I want crazed unarmed monks that do kung fu, and diligently trained rank and file samurai and ninja scouts/assasins, and mage and shogun lords. Maybe some asian mythos like Naga as well, or Oni.

Yes, JJ said last year no new races for either 40K or Fantasy for the time being. They are concentrating on producing models for everything.

But it's not like GW ever stick to a plan...

Flashman wrote:The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

But see, this is why I doubt that it will work. WE can leave the forest, but it wouldn't make sense for something like a giant shark or sea serpent or something like that to be able to leave the water. I think that the use of ocean will make the army too impractical for the tabletop.

Besides, when has GW had such an intelligent marketing strategy as taking advantage of a major movie release?

Guildsman wrote:

Flashman wrote:The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

But see, this is why I doubt that it will work. WE can leave the forest, but it wouldn't make sense for something like a giant shark or sea serpent or something like that to be able to leave the water. I think that the use of ocean will make the army too impractical for the tabletop.

I give you the fishmen's secret weapon...

Whoo!

Warhammer Armies: Murloc here we come...

Flashman wrote:

Guildsman wrote:

Flashman wrote:The presence of the sea creatures rule in 8th is odd not just because there aren't any current units that can use it, but also because it would necessitate a large body of water on the battlefield. Any aquatic race that GW release will have to have some form of rule regarding battlefied set up. In much the same way that WE get a free wood, maybe this new race would get a free lake or free coastline.

But see, this is why I doubt that it will work. WE can leave the forest, but it wouldn't make sense for something like a giant shark or sea serpent or something like that to be able to leave the water. I think that the use of ocean will make the army too impractical for the tabletop.

I give you the fishmen's secret weapon...

And her attacks cause "crabs"