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If you really think about it, if STC machines and templates were so essential to the survival of mankind, why didn't they keep backups on Terra or Mars? Were I the Emperor I would have kept such a thing beneath my very throne.

STCs were ancient history by the time the Emperor united Terra and began the crusade.


prior to the IoM, humanity had been a hodge podge group of different political entities.


there were likely hundreds of human empires that rose and fell throughout the Dark Age of technology.


STCs were also machines given to colonists to allow them to survive on any newely settled planets.


after a few hundred years, a colony probably didn't need to print off any new blueprints because they had everything they needed and the STCs would be left to fall into disrepair.



STCs weren't needed on Terra or Mars as they were fully developed planets with pre-existing industry and technical knowhow.

because humanity wasn't all on the same page, there wasn't a central authority to decide 'Hey, we should keep an STC running in case something terrible happens"

Well i think the point was that they were lost before the Emperor came to power, during Old night when warpstorms ravaged and isolated the human colonies and aliens prayed upon humanity in its weakened state. However you're right they should've taken backups but you know how it is, creating a backup disk can be done at any time we can always make one tomorrow.

It is rumoured that the Fabricator-General on Mars has all the STCs but this is a blatant rumour since if he did nothing would stop the Inq. from taking them off his shiny hands...

I don't think even the Inquisition could take anything the Fabricator General didn't want them to have.

the Mechanicus is powerful. they have just as much power as the IoM actually has.

Grey Templar wrote:I don't think even the Inquisition could take anything the Fabricator General didn't want them to have.

the Mechanicus is powerful. they have just as much power as the IoM actually has.

Yeah but Battlefleet Solar has a lot of guns...

purplefood wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I don't think even the Inquisition could take anything the Fabricator General didn't want them to have.

the Mechanicus is powerful. they have just as much power as the IoM actually has.

Yeah but Battlefleet Solar has a lot of guns...

and so is the Ad Mech fleet hovering over Mars proper. even more exotic planet based weaponry to blast battlecruisers out of the sky.

purplefood wrote:It is rumoured that the Fabricator-General on Mars has all the STCs but this is a blatant rumour since if he did nothing would stop the Inq. from taking them off his shiny hands...

Rumored by what?

ph34r wrote:

purplefood wrote:It is rumoured that the Fabricator-General on Mars has all the STCs but this is a blatant rumour since if he did nothing would stop the Inq. from taking them off his shiny hands...

Rumored by what?

It didn't say what...
Then again i can't remember what it was i read...
Does the Inquisition have a rumour spreading department?
Anywho i figured it was all crap since not even the IoM are that stupid and technophobic.

Are you sure it's not more something to the effect of there probably being intact STCs on Mars, locked away in some forgotten archive?

the Noctus Laberinth holds much forgotten technology, but is very dangerous to enter.

it was there that Arch Magos Land found the designs for the Land Raider and land speeder. he vanished on his last delving into the Noctus.

Land Raiders and Speeders being named after an Arch Magos is quite possibly one of the very worst facepalm moments, even for the generally low standard Space Marines already set.

this was before Space Marines.


the Imperial Army was using Land Raiders when the Emperor united Terra.


the Emperor then declared that all Land Raiders were to be given to the newely created Astartes legions for their exclusive use.

Grey Templar wrote:the Noctus Laberinth holds much forgotten technology, but is very dangerous to enter.

Why's it dangerous? Is it where Mr. C'tan is having his snooze?

Grey Templar wrote:this was before Space Marines.


the Imperial Army was using Land Raiders when the Emperor united Terra.


the Emperor then declared that all Land Raiders were to be given to the newely created Astartes legions for their exclusive use.

It's more or less SM related fluff at this point (being a footnote in the history of two of their vehicles), and even if it weren't, saying it's bad even by the low standards Space Marine fluff sets wouldn't necessarily require it to be directly related, since it's just using them as a baseline for comparison.

the Land Raider wasn't a space marine vehicle at that point.


the Magos found it and named it after himself. whats so bad about that?


no one's complaining that the Lemun Russ was named after you know who, or that the Malcador heavy tank was named after Malcador?

Considering "Land Speeders" are quite blatantly landspeeders, the whole "named after Magos Land" thing is just a silly footnote... It's not even the funny kind of silly, it's just sort of a moment.

it's a machine that moves over land at speed.


are you also going to complain about Walkers?

Grey Templar wrote:it's a machine that moves over land at speed.


are you also going to complain about Walkers?

If Sentinels were called AT-STs and said to be named after "Magos At", then yes, I would.

Imagine if Drop Pods were supposed to have been named after "Magos Drop" or power armor named after "Magos Power"...

They probably kept backups on Terra and Mars of all STC ever build. But, taking into consideration all the wars that happened before Emperor united Mankind...
I say that all backups where accentually destroyed by someone, and what's left is taken by the Emperor for safekeeping.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:it's a machine that moves over land at speed.


are you also going to complain about Walkers?

If Sentinels were called AT-STs and said to be named after "Magos At", then yes, I would.

Imagine if Drop Pods were supposed to have been named after "Magos Drop" or power armor named after "Magos Power"...

Hush about such a thing before they make it official!

If most of the tech has been created by stc fragments does this mean they have found just files of the tech or accrual stc machines and that was all the info they could get of them?

a little bit of both.


some STCs that still had a few bits of Tech files still readable.

some Blueprints that are still around.

some stcs are probably sequestered on some mechanicus forge world.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Land Raiders and Speeders being named after an Arch Magos is quite possibly one of the very worst facepalm moments, even for the generally low standard Space Marines already set.

I take it none of you have heard of the "Land Camera" either?

Edwin Land's first commercial camera. He went on to found Polaroid (now Lexmark). The naming convention from 40k came from this.

It's a longer and more deeply placed in-joke, but it is still there. Like the "Commodore 64" in BFG.

You should just be glad that the design wasn't found by Magos Pan Tee.

Kilkrazy wrote:You should just be glad that the design wasn't found by Magos Pan Tee.

That took me way to long to get.

Randomonioum wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:You should just be glad that the design wasn't found by Magos Pan Tee.

That took me way to long to get.

Wow. Ya Randomonioum, it took me a couple handfulls of seconds too.

Kilkrazy wrote:You should just be glad that the design wasn't found by Magos Pan Tee.

Funny thing is, I think I actually know someone with that name.

So with all the world within the empire does any one think there is even a functional STC out there? It would change the story line quite a bit that's for sure.