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What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

Luna Dragon wrote:What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

Because.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

Because.

Because what?

Luna Dragon wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

Because.

Because what?

It was an inside joke between you and I. You just didn't get it.

In another thread, your answer was simply "No.". So I just gave you a similar response.

This is an interesting twist on white knighting.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

Because.

Because what?

It was an inside joke between you and I. You just didn't get it.

In another thread, your answer was simply "No.". So I just gave you a similar response.

I never get jokes.


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biccat wrote:This is an interesting twist on white knighting.

Huh?

I don't have enough money to buy any of the new codex's thus I have never come across the awefull fluff that is contained there in.

So I have yet to come up with a reason to dislike Matt Ward.

Luna Dragon wrote:
I never get jokes.

Well there are worse things in life.


You know what is worse than no getting jokes?


The Holocaust.


That was an Anti-joke.


You are enlightened.

People dislike Matt Ward for two reasons:

The fluff he writes violates fluff from either previous codexes, backstory, novels....and gets absolutely ridiculous. There's believable make-believe, and then there's C.S. Goto writing about Eldar surfing into battle on top of rhinos while marines wielding multi-lasers charge in next to them.

The codexes he writes are imbalanced. His codex contributions have proven extremely unbalancing. No one screams that Tyranids or Dark Eldar are overpowered (or at least non-clueless people) - because those two codexes blend modularity with balance. There's no "OMG this is nigh unbeatable, must change my TAC to specifically play against this" kind of crap.

Take Mech IG for instance - its introduction into 40k completely changed everything. Instead of an army that has a good chance of tackling anyone equally, I now have an army that is optimized to challenge Mech IG if I should face them. That optimization is more than enough to beat down other codexes, and generally still not enough to handle Mech IG.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

Because.

Because what?

It was an inside joke between you and I. You just didn't get it.

In another thread, your answer was simply "No.". So I just gave you a similar response.

I never get jokes.


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biccat wrote:This is an interesting twist on white knighting.

Huh?

Well there are worse things in life.


You know what is worse than no getting jokes?


The Holocaust.


That was an Anti-joke.


You are enlightened.

I know there are worse things in life such as whiners.

Also....I realize that some of you have primarily existed in Off-Topic forums and are now forced into the rest of Dakka - but please visit the posting rules here.

Specifically, mass prymaid quoting is discouraged. Quote the person before you, but don't be too lazy for a simple edit to pull the pyramid out.

Dashofpepper wrote:People dislike Matt Ward for two reasons:

The fluff he writes violates fluff from either previous codexes, backstory, novels....and gets absolutely ridiculous. There's believable make-believe, and then there's C.S. Goto writing about Eldar surfing into battle on top of rhinos while marines wielding multi-lasers charge in next to them.

The codexes he writes are imbalanced. His codex contributions have proven extremely unbalancing. No one screams that Tyranids or Dark Eldar are overpowered (or at least non-clueless people) - because those two codexes blend modularity with balance. There's no "OMG this is nigh unbeatable, must change my TAC to specifically play against this" kind of crap.

Take Mech IG for instance - its introduction into 40k completely changed everything. Instead of an army that has a good chance of tackling anyone equally, I now have an army that is optimized to challenge Mech IG if I should face them. That optimization is more than enough to beat down other codexes, and generally still not enough to handle Mech IG.

Nothing is unbeatable. He doesn't make armies unbalanced you just play comptively. He doesn't write fluff that doen't make sense. All of Warhammer 40k is make believe.

Dashofpepper wrote:People dislike Matt Ward for two reasons:

The fluff he writes violates fluff from either previous codexes, backstory, novels....and gets absolutely ridiculous. There's believable make-believe, and then there's C.S. Goto writing about Eldar surfing into battle on top of rhinos while marines wielding multi-lasers charge in next to them.

The codexes he writes are imbalanced. His codex contributions have proven extremely unbalancing. No one screams that Tyranids or Dark Eldar are overpowered (or at least non-clueless people) - because those two codexes blend modularity with balance. There's no "OMG this is nigh unbeatable, must change my TAC to specifically play against this" kind of crap.

Take Mech IG for instance - its introduction into 40k completely changed everything. Instead of an army that has a good chance of tackling anyone equally, I now have an army that is optimized to challenge Mech IG if I should face them. That optimization is more than enough to beat down other codexes, and generally still not enough to handle Mech IG.

I don't understand your statement. Mech IG have been around since 3rd edition Steel Legion. Armored Company have been around for the same period.


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Dashofpepper wrote:Also....I realize that some of you have primarily existed in Off-Topic forums and are now forced into the rest of Dakka - but please visit the posting rules here.

Specifically, mass prymaid quoting is discouraged. Quote the person before you, but don't be too lazy for a simple edit to pull the pyramid out.

The Moderators will take care of warnings DOP.

Dashofpepper wrote:People dislike Matt Ward for two reasons:
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The codexes he writes are imbalanced. His codex contributions have proven extremely unbalancing. No one screams that Tyranids or Dark Eldar are overpowered (or at least non-clueless people) - because those two codexes blend modularity with balance. There's no "OMG this is nigh unbeatable, must change my TAC to specifically play against this" kind of crap.

Take Mech IG for instance - its introduction into 40k completely changed everything. Instead of an army that has a good chance of tackling anyone equally, I now have an army that is optimized to challenge Mech IG if I should face them. That optimization is more than enough to beat down other codexes, and generally still not enough to handle Mech IG.

Ward didn't write C: IG. Cruddace wrote C: IG.

Luna Dragon wrote:What do people hate Mat Ward? He has done nothing wrong and lot of people whine about him. And now it's time that people stand up to these whiners.

I see Matt has already carved his name into your heart.

Dashofpepper wrote:Also....I realize that some of you have primarily existed in Off-Topic forums and are now forced into the rest of Dakka - but please visit the posting rules here.

Specifically, mass prymaid quoting is discouraged. Quote the person before you, but don't be too lazy for a simple edit to pull the pyramid out.

That was an April Fool's joke, fyi.

It's prety simple really. His codexes aren't all that good. I will say they aren't terribly imbalanced but you stop and question things in his recent codexes far more than say the DE codex. Far worse than the rules is his fluff writing, it really clashes with pre-established themes of the armies and is down right insulting to the players sometimes(spiritual liege anyone?). Or finally it's just very poorly written, especially when he gets overzealous in his fandom

I'm reading codex now and haven't come across anything that makes me thrown it down and start/sign a petition yet.

Dashofpepper wrote:Also....I realize that some of you have primarily existed in Off-Topic forums and are now forced into the rest of Dakka - but please visit the posting rules here.

Specifically, mass prymaid quoting is discouraged. Quote the person before you, but don't be too lazy for a simple edit to pull the pyramid out.

Got it!

People hate Mat Ward because it is the intertubez and you need to hate someone loudly and fervently to be cool.

Give it a month; they'll hate someone else.

asimo77 wrote:It's prety simple really. His codexes aren't all that good. I will say they aren't terribly imbalanced but you stop and question things in his recent codexes far more than say the DE codex. Far worse than the rules is his fluff writing, it really clashes with pre-established themes of the armies and is down right insulting to the players sometimes(spiritual liege anyone?). Or finally it's just very poorly written, especially when he gets overzealous in his fandom

Are we reading the same codex here?


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pretre wrote:People hate Mat Ward because it is the intertubez and you need to hate someone loudly and fervently to be cool.

Give it a month; they'll hate someone else.

So true, so true.


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Lord_Osma wrote:I'm reading codex now and haven't come across anything that makes me thrown it down and start/sign a petition yet.

Same here.

True dat.

Well I guess I can try to put it this way. It's far harder to rationalize the absurd rules and absurd fluff in his codexes than in other writer's books. In the end it seems that the changes he introduces are either arbitrary, extreme fanboyism, or a drastic change in an army's theme.

asimo77 wrote:Well I guess I can try to put it this way. It's far harder to rationalize the absurd rules and absurd fluff in his codexes than in other writer's books. In the end it seems that the changes he introduces are either arbitrary, extreme fanboyism, or a drastic change in an army's theme.

In english please.

Here's my test for most folks who complain about Mat Ward.

Name two books other than C: GK that he wrote.

Go.

Read the Blood Angels book and try and contemplate why the Blood Angels would fight side-by-side with Necrons... then attempt to think of a reason why at the end, the Blood Angels would just say, "We're tired, see you later space robots.".... What?

Try and figure out how a Space Marine (Even a Grand Master) survives within the realm of Chaos with all of the Daemons and then every once in a while jumps back into reality to fight them. What?

Attempt to figure out why a 50 pt model has the ability to give an army Feel No Pain and Furious Charge... because he's holding a cup?

Why are Guard units better in my Grey Knight book then they are in their own book?

Overall, I suppose in the end I don't HATE Matt Ward I've just not been happy with the works he's been a part of. Some of the fluff in the new book I like for the Grey Knights, don't get me wrong, but then there is stuff that is a little... far fetched. *cough* Draigo *cough*

But everyone is entitled to their own opinions

I find myself disliking Matt Ward simply because he is taking 40k fluff in such a radical direction. And before I get flamed with examples of retro fluff that were also over the top, let me add that the fluff has always been OTT for most races, however it was keeping in theme with said race.

On the flip side, we have Matt Ward fluff. Fluff that is not only OTT, but goes against the grain of the two armies he has thus far written fluff for. I have neither codex handy here at work but these are the examples that come to mind.

1) Deepstriking Landraiders: Believable enough if they were being brought in via thunderhawk lander, however Mr. ward explicitly illustrates how the landraiders are dropped from low altitude and their "sturdy" construction is relied upon to keep them intact. Last time I checked Landraiders were about as rare as they come when it comes to STC tech, you're not just going to drop it out of the sky like some cheap willies jeep and hope for the best.

2) Blood Angels fighting shoulder to shoulder with Necrons to defeat a tyranid Invasion: Last I checked all three factions hate eachother so completely that all this would have resulted in was a three way bloodbath that the Tyranids would likely have come out on top of. Necrons HATE all life. Space Marines despise xenos. Tyranids want to consume every living thing. In normal 40k lore the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy....unless written by Matt Ward.

3) In his newest work, Mr. Ward describes an event wherein the Grey Knights butcher a Sororitas Order and then bath themselves in their blood in order to be "pure enough" to fight a greater demon of chaos: ummmm......what?

I think these three above examples should suffice to illustrate my personal dislike of the man and his writing methods. Though to be honest I don't really lose sleep over it since I moved to fantasy which makes more sense than 40k these days, and thats saying something in itself.

-BH

He turned Dante into a man who is ready to give up on everything yet only remains steadfast because of some supposed prophecy of a golden warrior fighting at the emperor's side at the end battle AND HOPES it's him.

He teamed up Necrons, a race that works and prides itself on, extinguishes all life down to the bacteria with Blood Angels when a Tyranid splinter fleet came upon the two fighting.

He makes every space marine chapter regard Ultramarines as the most awesome, wish they were ultramarines and Roboute Gulliman is their spiritual liege.

He retcons every Ultramarine fight so instead of a loss, Ultras get away smelling like roses amidst the enemy's dead. Case in point, Damnos. Ultras get their asses handed to them, Sicarius nearly killed and what? Rewritten so the planet blows up because of an unstable core....and Ultramarine thunderhawks had something to do with it

Made Grey Knights a joke as far as fluff goes. They are the purest warriors in the galaxy YET have a brotherhood group MORE PURE than the rest of them. It's like being the Pope but not part of the SUPER Pope circle.

It just goes on and on why people dislike him. Honestly I think he's trying to see what he can get away with as far as writing goes and no one seems to want to stop him as long as the company keeps making bank off his slow strong books.

@ prete Didn't he do BA and SM, or at least he did a significant amount of the work on them.

@ Luna Dragon, what exactly did you not understand about that post?

I guess that The Emperors finest performing a blood sacrifice to allow them to cover already holy, and nigh on impregnable to daemons, armour with the mighty power of O-neg is okay?

Sure, it isn't burnable, but GW sure have messed around with some things.