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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/?hpt=C1

seriously now... birthers get a life here it is

Forgery! [/conspiracy theory nut]

...yet another stupid move by Obama (although it is effective at shutting down many of the conspiracy theorists).

He should have at least let Trump gain some more traction in the Republican primary race before putting this out. Politically, he could have gotten a lot more out of this release.

"While your enemy is in the process of destroying himself..."

Although hopefully this will do to the Birther movement what the 9/11 commission failed to do to the Truther movement.

Probably not. Birthers are all pretty nutty.

biccat wrote:...yet another stupid move by Obama (although it is effective at shutting down many of the conspiracy theorists).

He should have at least let Trump gain some more traction in the Republican primary race before putting this out. Politically, he could have gotten a lot more out of this release.

"While your enemy is in the process of destroying himself..."

Although hopefully this will do to the Birther movement what the 9/11 commission failed to do to the Truther movement.

I guess he's serious when he talks about issues and not just trying to be politically more powerful? oh wait you won't believe that : p

frgsinwntr wrote:

biccat wrote:...yet another stupid move by Obama (although it is effective at shutting down many of the conspiracy theorists).

He should have at least let Trump gain some more traction in the Republican primary race before putting this out. Politically, he could have gotten a lot more out of this release.

"While your enemy is in the process of destroying himself..."

Although hopefully this will do to the Birther movement what the 9/11 commission failed to do to the Truther movement.

I guess he's serious when he talks about issues and not just trying to be politically more powerful? oh wait you won't believe that : p

Check the current polls. He did it because the issue was finally startign to gain traction among the non nut jobs so he had to jettison the sideshow. What will he do to distract from $5 gas an 20% underemployment now?

Frazzled wrote:Check the current polls. He did it because the issue was finally startign to gain traction among the non nut jobs so he had to jettison the sideshow. What will he do to distract from $5 gas an 20% underemployment now?

He could point to the UK where it is $10 a gallon, with the vast majority of that being tax?

Frazzled wrote:Check the current polls. He did it because the issue was finally startign to gain traction among the non nut jobs so he had to jettison the sideshow. What will he do to distract from $5 gas an 20% underemployment now?

But it was an easily winnable issue. It doesn't matter how crazy the conspiracy theorists get, because you've always got the ace in the hole that will win the issue decisively. The worst case scenario is that it looks like he was playing the conspiracy theorists for fools and making political hay from the issue.

Also, the President's latest plan to deal with rising gas prices is to cut tax breaks to oil companies. I'm not sure what logic is used to support this idea, but apparently increasing the cost of providing gasoline will lead to lower prices.

On the unemployment front, don't you remember that in 2010 the President had a Laser-like focus on job growth. Geez Fraz, it's like you don't read the White House talking points news.

Everyone knows that Obama's Canadian.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Check the current polls. He did it because the issue was finally startign to gain traction among the non nut jobs so he had to jettison the sideshow. What will he do to distract from $5 gas an 20% underemployment now?

He could point to the UK where it is $10 a gallon, with the vast majority of that being tax?

As much as he would like high gas prices, and his Secretary of Energy is living his dream realized by achieving $5 now, he would literally be tarred and feathered with $10 gasaoline, and that by his own party. You want to see a revolution in the US, drive the gasoline to that price. Bombers will be flying somewhere long before that.

Don't worry, they will find something else.

I mean, I don't recommend it, but on other forums I frequent I've seen snippets of comments from fox and other places...

To them, its a forgery and a 50 year old (or however old obama is) kingmaker play from the secret society that runs the world. Or something.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Don't worry, they will find something else.

I mean, I don't recommend it, but on other forums I frequent I've seen snippets of comments from fox and other places...

To them, its a forgery and a 50 year old (or however old obama is) kingmaker play from the secret society that runs the world. Or something.

Oh, there's something else (that the birth certificate just released doesn't address), but it's a stupid argument.

Also, in my experience Fox has been pretty dismissive of the issue. I think even Beck called it the "dumbest thing I'd ever heard."

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Check the current polls. He did it because the issue was finally startign to gain traction among the non nut jobs so he had to jettison the sideshow. What will he do to distract from $5 gas an 20% underemployment now?

But it was an easily winnable issue. It doesn't matter how crazy the conspiracy theorists get, because you've always got the ace in the hole that will win the issue decisively. The worst case scenario is that it looks like he was playing the conspiracy theorists for fools and making political hay from the issue.

Also, the President's latest plan to deal with rising gas prices is to cut tax breaks to oil companies. I'm not sure what logic is used to support this idea, but apparently increasing the cost of providing gasoline will lead to lower prices.

On the unemployment front, don't you remember that in 2010 the President had a Laser-like focus on job growth. Geez Fraz, it's like you don't read the White House talking points news.

Oil companies recieving tax breaks when they make record profits makes no sense.

Subsidizing oil has led to little developement of other alternatives.

I find it surprising that the price of gas always goes down to the point where alternatives are just a little bit too expensive to invest in...


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biccat wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:Don't worry, they will find something else.

I mean, I don't recommend it, but on other forums I frequent I've seen snippets of comments from fox and other places...

To them, its a forgery and a 50 year old (or however old obama is) kingmaker play from the secret society that runs the world. Or something.

Oh, there's something else (that the birth certificate just released doesn't address), but it's a stupid argument.

Also, in my experience Fox has been pretty dismissive of the issue. I think even Beck called it the "dumbest thing I'd ever heard."

Didn't beck come up with the idea???

And didn't beck rape and kill a girl in 1992? I don't know if its true.... but i haven't heard him deny this yet...

biccat wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:Don't worry, they will find something else.

I mean, I don't recommend it, but on other forums I frequent I've seen snippets of comments from fox and other places...

To them, its a forgery and a 50 year old (or however old obama is) kingmaker play from the secret society that runs the world. Or something.

Oh, there's something else (that the birth certificate just released doesn't address), but it's a stupid argument.

Also, in my experience Fox has been pretty dismissive of the issue. I think even Beck called it the "dumbest thing I'd ever heard."

Beck supported the birther movement.

O'reilly was the one that dismissed it as stupid.

Grakmar wrote:Beck supported the birther movement.

O'reilly was the one that dismissed it as stupid.

Yeah...no.

Although...

let me forward this conspiracy. He was born here because it seems a little unlikely that somebody planted the birth records, okay, a little unlikely, in the newspapers. Now you would say, well, then why doesn’t he just produce? Good question. That one kept me up for minutes at a time, minutes.

This reminds me of the candidate who wanted to spread the rumour that his opponent had sex with animals.

His agent said we can't do that, it isn't true.

The candidate said, who cares if it is true or not, I want to force him to deny it.

frgsinwntr wrote:
Didn't beck come up with the idea???

And didn't beck rape and kill a girl in 1992? I don't know if its true.... but i haven't heard him deny this yet...

Beck didn't. That was Hillary Clinton during the '08 election in an attempt to gak all over everyone to become president.

The second point was something 4chan came up with. They have something involving Bob Saget as well IIRC. Besides, if you're going to quote memes, do it right. It was 1990.

I hope the birthers are asking for the next president's birth cert. I would have assumed that as a requirment is 'being american' that you need to prove these sort of things before being allowed run anyway...

It's only cos he's black. Frigging joke.

I hate party bashing, usually, but what the heck is with the republican party and the non-issue circus tactic. This is up there with the multi-million dollar blowjob investigation to discredit someone. Whoever uses this sort of thing to distract the jerry-springer-fan voting demographic from real issues that need to be addressed should be ASHAMED of themselves! It's that simple. ASHAMED. No wonder the rest of the world watches U.S. politics with so much sad head-shaking amusement. It's like watching the "special" children fighting on a playground over nosepicking accusations.

And yet Obama kept it going for two years...

Frazzled wrote:And yet Obama kept it going for two years...

Frazzled, i don't believe you're an american citizen, show me your birth certificate in long form.

Phototoxin wrote:I hope the birthers are asking for the next president's birth cert. I would have assumed that as a requirment is 'being american' that you need to prove these sort of things before being allowed run anyway...

It's only cos he's black. Frigging joke.

I hope the "it's only cos he's black" was the joke. But I would agree with your second point, I had assumed that one requirement to run for office was to present a valid birth certificate (since one requirement of being President is "Natural Born Citizen").

mister robouteo wrote:This is up there with the multi-million dollar blowjob investigation to discredit someone.

You know that there was a lot more going on with Clinton than a BJ, right?

Frazzled wrote:And yet Obama kept it going for two years...

He could have kept it going for much longer.

No big deal People who don't like you will always invent a reason to not like you. OT Obama doen't have a hand on an Oil price nob. Ask the Oil speculators about that. Or even better outlaw them.

frgsinwntr wrote:

Frazzled wrote:And yet Obama kept it going for two years...

Frazzled, i don't believe you're an american citizen, show me your birth certificate in long form.

I'm a Texan. All I need is a receipt from Goode's proving I've eaten their large size chicken fried steak. If you can survive that, you're a Texan.

frgsinwntr wrote:

Frazzled wrote:And yet Obama kept it going for two years...

Frazzled, i don't believe you're an american citizen, show me your birth certificate in long form.

I don't believe you're an american citizen either frgsinwnter, show me you're long form birth certificate.

I don't believe I'm an american citizen.

corpsesarefun wrote:I don't believe I'm an american citizen.

Prove it.

Melissia wrote:Probably not. Birthers are all pretty nutty.

That's true. Never let facts stand in the way of your argument, right?

biccat wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:I hope the birthers are asking for the next president's birth cert. I would have assumed that as a requirment is 'being american' that you need to prove these sort of things before being allowed run anyway...

It's only cos he's black. Frigging joke.

I hope the "it's only cos he's black" was the joke. But I would agree with your second point, I had assumed that one requirement to run for office was to present a valid birth certificate (since one requirement of being President is "Natural Born Citizen").

Who was the last white president who's identity needed to be proved?

I do think its partial racism... if he was white and blonde saying he's kenyan wouldn't get you very far. But yes its mostly an Ali G 'is it coz I is black' joke. The whole thing is a farce. US democracy... you have a binary choice... not really a choice at all to be honest.