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Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

olympia wrote:Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

I've been saying this for a while!

I assume by Kt... you mean Kinetic Typography ?

Looks like a typo.

Kt = It

When one race votes 55-43 for Candidate A, the only conclusion is that the voters are racist.

What conclusion can you draw when another race votes 95-4 for Candidate B?

biccat wrote:When one race votes 55-43 for Candidate A, the only conclusion is that the voters are racist.

What conclusion can you draw when another race votes 95-4 for Candidate B?

(note for non-Americans biccat is talking about African American support for Democrats)

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

The Republicans have made ever effort to lose African American support and this is the result.

olympia wrote:Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

I wipe my ass with the opinions of Irish national radio. The thought that they know anything about the US or US politics makes baby Jesus cry.

Well A bunch of conservative radio host said it was a fake because it said "African" and not "Negro" Turns out the doctor was Hawaiian and not some Klan member. They even found the doctor's wife and had her verify the sig. People are still saying his father maes him "less American than they are.

Here a link. Complete with racial remarks in the comment section.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2011/04/social-scientists-look-at-racisms-role-in-birther-viewpoint/1

Kid_Kyoto:

I disagree, but I'm not interested in getting involved in another heated debate over this issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

This is why Black vote democratic. MLK Jr's father was a republican and Nixon still wom 30% of the black vote.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

biccat wrote:When one race votes 55-43 for Candidate A, the only conclusion is that the voters are racist.

What conclusion can you draw when another race votes 95-4 for Candidate B?

(note for non-Americans biccat is talking about African American support for Democrats)

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

The Republicans have made ever effort to lose African American support and this is the result.

And so do whites. Your argument holds no water.

What?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

biccat wrote:When one race votes 55-43 for Candidate A, the only conclusion is that the voters are racist.

What conclusion can you draw when another race votes 95-4 for Candidate B?

(note for non-Americans biccat is talking about African American support for Democrats)

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

The Republicans have made ever effort to lose African American support and this is the result.

It's less that Republicans made an effort to lose it (in the 1960's) and more that up until Lyndon B. Johnson, neither party made a real effort in securing the vote. They used blacks as a swing block and promised them candy corn every four years to try and get the vote. The black vote became concentratedly democrat not on the fault of the republicans but the democrats, who finally gave them what they wanted. I mean, I know people like blaming party a for problems b-d, but at least give party b credit where credit is due. In one swoop the dems secured the black vote (and lost the southern bible belt vote which is why there's so much red on the electoral collage chart down south today).

The comparison would only be valid if the black vote percentage was markedly different from previous presidential elections. Say, if in 2004 it had been 66% dem and 33% repub, I'd say we have a reason for all this hubalu. But I just made those numbers up and have no idea what the vote percentage actually is/was

In 2004, 90% of black voters voted for Al Gore.

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

Please tell me this isn't true?!

That happened as recently as 2006.

Note that it was not the majority of the republicans. But it was a rather vocal minority.

Wolfstan wrote:

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

Please tell me this isn't true?!

The Republicans mostly oppose the voting rights act because it grants federal oversight for election administration in certain states (that is, southern states). The argument is that it is no longer necessary because these states have no more interest in disenfranchising voters than northern states.

Note that when the act was enacted, Republicans supported the act (30-2 and 112-24) more than Democrats (47-17, 221-61).

Yep. The dems were, way back when, the conservatives of the two parties socially speaking.

Wolfstan wrote:

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

Please tell me this isn't true?!

Without Republicans the civil rights legislation would never have been passed. Al Gore's Dad voted against it. And thats why he's cursed to chase Manbearpig. The sins of the father and all that.


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Please tell me this isn't true?!

Yes it is true. People voted for Al Gore. I know its hard to believe.

Frazzled wrote:

Please tell me this isn't true?!

Yes it is true. People voted for Al Gore. I know its hard to believe.

I think a lot of them intended to vote for Pat Buchanan but got confused by the ballot.

Frazzled wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:

It's an invalid comparison since African Americans vote for both black and white Democratic candidates. The reason they're not voting is Republican is simple, in the 60s the Republicans made a stand against voting rigts and civil rights for African Americans. To this day the party opposes renewing the voting rights act when it comes up.

Please tell me this isn't true?!

Without Republicans the civil rights legislation would never have been passed. Al Gore's Dad voted against it. And thats why he's cursed to chase Manbearpig. The sins of the father and all that.


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Please tell me this isn't true?!

Yes it is true. People voted for Al Gore. I know its hard to believe.

I like you, you're a funny lad Frazz

I remember seeing a program the other week that was saying that good old Abe wasn't the civil rights believer that he's made out to be. "Opportunist" would be a way of describing him. You certainly have an interesting political past over there.

I know I did, But the man was a damned robot. I like robots. Nope Abe was not a saint, everything is a shade of grey. It's less good and band and more bad vs worse. Besides NOBODY leaves the union, at least not alive. Mua ha ha ha harr.

Frazzled wrote:

olympia wrote:Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

I wipe my ass with the opinions of Irish national radio. The thought that they know anything about the US or US politics makes baby Jesus cry.

Irish Times too low brow for you eh? You do strike me as a Le Monde diplomatique type.

Frazzled wrote:

olympia wrote:Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

I wipe my ass with the opinions of Irish national radio. The thought that they know anything about the US or US politics makes baby Jesus cry.

A bit harsh especially as a fair number of US politicians thought they new what was going on in Ireland during the troubles

Wolfstan wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

olympia wrote:Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

I wipe my ass with the opinions of Irish national radio. The thought that they know anything about the US or US politics makes baby Jesus cry.

A bit harsh especially as a fair number of US politicians thought they new what was going on in Ireland during the troubles

Anyone who runs herd on Dachshundhammer are rough characters. We don't cotton to the French milled soap types.

WOuld it help if I said I wipe my ass with the opinions of US politicians? I left that out before because it kind of goes without saying.

biccat wrote:

heacy hitter wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Check the current polls. He did it because the issue was finally startign to gain traction among the non nut jobs so he had to jettison the sideshow. What will he do to distract from $5 gas an 20% underemployment now?

WAIT WHAT?! why is petrol so cheap over in america? Is that per litre or per gallon?

Per gallon.

It's cheap because we don't pay $5 per gallon in taxes.

And because our economy is rather dependent on cheap gas, so both relatively low taxation on gas and negotiations to get it at good prices in the first place are critical. Most Europeans (and most Americans, for that matter, who largely aren't aware how expensive it is elsewhere) don't realize that this matters because almost all of our food and consumer goods need to be shipped long distances via truck, since our country is large and spread out.

Frazzled wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

olympia wrote:Irish national radio had an interesting piece this morning on the issue. They concluded that racism is endemic in the u.s. Kt is, according to these europeans, the only logical explanation for the staying power of this issue.

I wipe my ass with the opinions of Irish national radio. The thought that they know anything about the US or US politics makes baby Jesus cry.

A bit harsh especially as a fair number of US politicians thought they new what was going on in Ireland during the troubles

Anyone who runs herd on Dachshundhammer are rough characters. We don't cotton to the French milled soap types.

WOuld it help if I said I wipe my ass with the opinions of US politicians? I left that out before because it kind of goes without saying.

It does make you wonder what the point of them is as no bugger has any time for them any more

Looks fake.

So basically President Obama withheld his birth certificate because he knew it would be a point of contention among his opponents and something like the birther movement would happen and that movement would be discredited.
He only produced it because it began to hurt his ratings.

Shrewdly played.

MadEdric wrote:So basically President Obama withheld his birth certificate because he knew it would be a point of contention among his opponents and something like the birther movement would happen and that movement would be discredited.
He only produced it because it began to hurt his ratings.

Shrewdly played.

That was quite the master plan of his. It would have taken some sort of tactical geniu-

CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

It certainly showed the Birthers to be completely delusional.

Birthers: "Why doesn't he show his birth certificate?"
Birthers: "WHY DOESN"T HE SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"
Birthers: "WHY DOESN'T HE JUST SHOW US HIS DAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

Obama: "Here it is."

Bonkers: "IT'S A FORGERY!!!111"