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A few weeks ago after rediscovering my old chaos codex's, I took a look at the article on Doombreed (on of the first khornate daemon prince) listed on lexicanum to see if I could get any more information on his origins. Now his origins are fairly vague but it says that he was a warlord from ancient earth that managed to ravage entire nations and pretty much cause a hell of a lot of damage. Despite from the lack of information, does anyone else think that Doombreed could be Hitler? I'm not sure is if GW originally has hinted at this (or indeed Doombreed being any other particular warlord in ancient earth) but my personal theory is that Hitler's suicide was in fact form Demonic ascension into the warp (assuming Doombreed is Hitler).

I thought that...
Though we get so little information it could just as easily be any other leader in a time of war.

purplefood wrote:it could just as easily be any other leader in a time of war.

This is the problem - the description could apply to dozens of people. The one I've heard most put forward is Ghengis Khan. Appeals a bit more to me from the point of view that Khan was a warrior himself, rather than a political leader (though again, I don't think the description makes any reference to Doombreed's previous form actually doing the killing him/herself - rather being 'responsible' for it).

Yeah GK was my other thought and frankly a bit more likely...
That said the warlord in question may be in our future so who knows...

Well i looked it up on the lexicanum and it said he commited a genocide on a wide scale.

i think that re-enforces the Hitler idea a little more.

Another point for Hitler then...

The Chaos Gods become fully aware at some point during the 1500's. It could be anybody, even beyond our timeframe.

M4, M5 etc could still be classed as 'long ago' by 40k standards.

Doombreed is a Daemon of Khorne, Khorne hates weaklings and schemers.

I'd rather not try to give Hitler any place in 40k.

Medium of Death wrote:
Doombreed is a Daemon of Khorne, Khorne hates weaklings and schemers.

Indeed. Even more importantly, Khorne would never elevate someone to daemonhood who wasn't a warrior. That's not how he rolls.

Seeing as as started above Khorne hates the weak, tricksters, schemers, and would never elevate a non warrior. Hitler was at best a courier or a runner or something; low combat doubt he ever killed someone.

HHitler was not a warrior, he WAS a trickster, a schemer, a politician and a coward. Khorne would never even give him the time of day.

I always assumed it was Temujin, Hannibal or Alexander the Great.

Monster Rain wrote:I always assumed it was Temujin, Hannibal or Alexander the Great.

+1 or maybe Stalin? Or Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris is the Emperor, silly. He taught Draigo all his moves.

Monster Rain wrote:Chuck Norris is the Emperor, silly. He taught Draigo all his moves.

Impossible. I thought Chuck Norris was Khorne himself.

Medium of Death wrote:The Chaos Gods become fully aware at some point during the 1500's. It could be anybody, even beyond our timeframe.

M4, M5 etc could still be classed as 'long ago' by 40k standards.

Doombreed is a Daemon of Khorne, Khorne hates weaklings and schemers.

I'd rather not try to give Hitler any place in 40k.

LOL tell that to the leader of the Chaos fangroup on deviantart which is run by a group of Neo Nazis(including a Russian Neo Nazi)

I would go with Stalin, more ruthless, and violent than Hilter.

Just fits with Khrone more

Monster Rain wrote:I always assumed it was Temujin, Hannibal or Alexander the Great.

Or maybe the Scourge of God.

If we're going to current history and excluding future crazies, I prefer the idea of Ghengis Khan. There's various tales of his butchery and battles. I can't confirm this but I've heard that he used early things to divert a river just to drown a village. Sure, smarter than your average Khornate, but sounds like brutality the chaos god would love.

Monster Rain wrote:I always assumed it was Temujin, Hannibal or Alexander the Great.

i dont know who Temujin is but Hannibal and Alexander the great never commited any genocides.

there were much greater conquerers than Hannibal and Alexander the Great was known for be a progressive person when it came to race and treating prisoners and war. the polar opposite of what the very nature of chaos suggests.

Vulpes89 wrote:Well i looked it up on the lexicanum and it said he commited a genocide on a wide scale.

i think that re-enforces the Hitler idea a little more.

Not that this is a super worthwhile point to discuss, but I don't think anybody has ever killed more people than Genghis Khan. I think Stalin's around 20 million, Mao Zedong 10+, and Hitler 10--17 just in Holocaust victims, ignoring war casualties and those more or less enabled by the war, i.e., Stalin's victims. Estimates of the people killed by Genghis Khan's conquests run to 40 million, and some even higher. I don't know enough about it to say how much of that would classify as genocide as opposed to conquest, but my impression is it runs heavily to the latter. Still, that's an awful lot of people. Some conquered areas didn't regain their population numbers until five centuries later, in the 1900s. Beyond that, I think Genghis Khan's far and away the most "warrior" of them.

In any case, I always read this bit of fluff as being about someone in our future.

I always thought they meant that it was a warlord much further than our time, like, in Earth's future.

I doubt it's Hitler really, Khorne places status on Warriors, or at least bloodshed caused by the hand, rather than an army. A lot of people think it's Genghis Khan, but I always thought humanity devolved into techno-barbarians or something before the Emperor appeared and started uniting Earth.

In any case, I always read this bit of fluff as being about someone in our future.

thats another possibility but not as interesting in my opinion.

i think we can all agree that Ghengis Kahn, Hitler and stalin are the most likely candidates. though i would say i dont think Genghis ever committed Genocide. he never commited to getting rid of an entire race of people just because he didnt like them.

When I read that I instantly thought of Napoleon...he was quite the military leader...gak he was even considered the anti-christ. He had the entire world in the grip of fear

Trondheim wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I always assumed it was Temujin, Hannibal or Alexander the Great.

+1 or maybe Stalin? Or Chuck Norris

No No... Chuck Norris is what the Tyranids are running from. He is also the Terminus Decree

Vulpes89 wrote:
i dont know who Temujin is but Hannibal and Alexander the great never commited any genocides.

Alexander the Great was a murderous Thug who slaughtered his way across across Asia. Just because he was semi-Hellenized people think of him as being a civilized, cultured person. He wasn't.

MountainSquid wrote:

Vulpes89 wrote:
i dont know who Temujin is but Hannibal and Alexander the great never commited any genocides.

Alexander the Great was a murderous Thug who slaughtered his way across across Asia. Just because he was semi-Hellenized people think of him as being a civilized, cultured person. He wasn't.

he allowed every conquered territory to rule itself, all they had to do was pay taxes, change the name of the city and allow his troops to move in and out. he was probably one, if not thee kindest conquers in the history of warfare (hence the Great, title). if you think he slaughtered his way across Asia, you must think every military leader ever was an uncultured, murderous Thug.

Temujin = Ghenghiz Khan

sequoiathrone1 wrote:A few weeks ago after rediscovering my old chaos codex's, I took a look at the article on Doombreed (on of the first khornate daemon prince) listed on lexicanum to see if I could get any more information on his origins. Now his origins are fairly vague but it says that he was a warlord from ancient earth that managed to ravage entire nations and pretty much cause a hell of a lot of damage. Despite from the lack of information, does anyone else think that Doombreed could be Hitler? I'm not sure is if GW originally has hinted at this (or indeed Doombreed being any other particular warlord in ancient earth) but my personal theory is that Hitler's suicide was in fact form Demonic ascension into the warp (assuming Doombreed is Hitler).

Contrary to what Public Education would like you to beleive, Hitler was not the only historical figurehead to partake in genocide, and he was definately not the worst. Stalin killed far more of his own people than Hitler did Jews. Both were political leaders though, not warlords.

Most people beleive that Doombreed is Ghengis Khan. Mao Zedong also fits the bill pretty well though.

There is, of course, the idea that GW didn't have anyone specific in mind when writing Doombreed's background. The next genocidal warlord to inevitably come around in the future may be Doombreed. Or the next one. Or the Next one...

gengis khan definitly, there are reports of him pouring molten metal down the throat of a messanger who displeased him then he cut of the nose and ears of one of the messangers in the same group and tied him to the rest who had had their eyes put out so that he could lead them back to thier master and deliver the bad news


definitly khorny in my personal opinion

Vulpes89 wrote:
he allowed every conquered territory to rule itself, all they had to do was pay taxes, change the name of the city and allow his troops to move in and out. he was probably one, if not thee kindest conquers in the history of warfare (hence the Great, title). if you think he slaughtered his way across Asia, you must think every military leader ever was an uncultured, murderous Thug.

He didn't earn the title "The Great" because he was a kind ruler, he earned it because he conqurered the largest empire in history with unprecedented speed. And yeah, he was a murderous thug. And it isn't just me that thinks that, it's this guy, who knows a thing or two about Greek civilization. I used the title "murderous thug" verbatim from The Soul of Battle when he(VDH) compared Epaminondas to Alexander.

It is any character from history that can fit the definition of "bloodthirsty conqueror who enjoyed causing misery to everyone everywhere."

It could be Genghis Khan, it could be Alexander the Great, Hell it could be one of those Jewish warlords from the book of Judges. I guess its one of those things that GW purposely left blank.

My money is on Vlad the Impaler. He seems like a "blood for the blood god" kind of guy