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I didn't think Alexander was the thug people think he is.
He only fought two or three huge battles at Issus and Gaugemela as well as a few smaller scale ones before Darius was killed by his own generals. He let the people keep their religion, he also did this in egypt, and merely installed his own governors to rule.
He had a drink problem I'll give him that but otherwise he was a great general and a great leader, hence the Great. Plus he did all of that with starting out with only something like 50,000 Macedonians.
By no means would I say he slaughtered millions, not outside of battle anyway, and certainly wouldn,t stretch to say he committed genocide as he probably preferred the Persian way to the Greek way by the end.
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kind of, he was a runner for the 16th Bavarian Reserve Regiment and was wounded few times and had awards for bravery.
so he could be classed as a 'warrior'
Hitler was more than just a runner, he was a full soldier before that and won many medals.
I am a history major and all the reading I have ever done on the subject indicates that Hitler was never more than a company runner. He was decoerated for bravery, yes, because he was wounded, but I have never seen anything to indicate he would personally have any blood on his hands. I dont recall the name of the book, im sure I could find it if I had to, but here is a readable article from a reliable source. I would show you a scholarly journall too, but you have to be enrolled at a school that subscribes to them to read the internet link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/16/new-evidence-adolf-hitler
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I have always felt that all the manifestations of the 'anti-christ' throughout history were associated with 'Doombreed' not just Hitler.
As abhorent as Hitler's actions were, Joseph Stalin killed far more in the purges and nearly depopulated the Ukraine via starvation and other means. The Japanese commited widespread human genocide in China including human experimentation (Unit 731) which makes the Nazis pale in comparison. Why Doombreed would just represent Hitler for some reason is hard for me to justify even if it is canon.
Just me I guess.
Oh, and while watching the pop history/culture show 'Ancient Aliens' I saw something that made me think of ancient visitations by the Necrons. Vivid old descriptions of strange black cloaked humanoids often seen on the edge of town near fields just before they were hit by the black plague. Tall and skeletally thin beings waving something akin to a Scythe back and forth which spewed out a 'miasma' which then crept toward town.
Eventually, the description of these beings came to represent our image of Death. Interesting interpretation if a bit flawed.
purplefood wrote:it could just as easily be any other leader in a time of war.
This is the problem - the description could apply to dozens of people. The one I've heard most put forward is Ghengis Khan. Appeals a bit more to me from the point of view that Khan was a warrior himself, rather than a political leader (though again, I don't think the description makes any reference to Doombreed's previous form actually doing the killing him/herself - rather being 'responsible' for it).
Ghengis Khan did worse things than hilter. Trust me on this. He Didn't CARE WHO YOU ARE, he would kill you, This guy killed half the population of china, then killed the entire Indianian people. He went into the middle east destroyed ENTIRE cities and then he made long lines of blind people with 1 person with only one eye and he would go towards a city with all the other blind people (Who had their eyes burnt out).
Then he found the caliphate that killed one of his cousins, took the entire caliphate tortured them and made them into nice stuffed Statues for display in private war collection.
Then (Oh it gets worse), he sent the golden horde (From Russia) to attack European and slaughtered the 9,000 knights and man at arms.
Yeah I can say Doombreed is Ghengis Khan.
Hitler cannot live up to Ghengis Khan, the greatest mass murdering tactician of all time.
I would like to thank my history teacher for teaching me about Ghengis khan in the best way possible he gave us a lecture on how awesome of a tactician and leader he was.
Alexander the great was not a blood thirsty back stabber.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
9000 knights and men at arms?
It's a shame that they died but considering Europes long and bloody history in the world that's a drop in the ocean...
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purplefood wrote:9000 knights and men at arms?
It's a shame that they died but considering Europes long and bloody history in the world that's a drop in the ocean...
It gets worse....
The Monguls only had 1,000............. Troops. In total fighting. Bit unfair as they have the best bowman of all time.
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purplefood wrote:9000 knights and men at arms?
It's a shame that they died but considering Europes long and bloody history in the world that's a drop in the ocean...
thats around 4,000 knights From the most powerful European nation in middle evil ages.
Poland and Finland teamed up and lost every single soldier they had.
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purplefood wrote:9000 knights and men at arms?
It's a shame that they died but considering Europes long and bloody history in the world that's a drop in the ocean...
It gets worse....
The Monguls only had 1,000............. Troops. In total fighting. Bit unfair as they have the best bowman of all time.
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purplefood wrote:9000 knights and men at arms?
It's a shame that they died but considering Europes long and bloody history in the world that's a drop in the ocean...
thats around 4,000 knights From the most powerful European nation in middle evil ages.
Poland and Finland teamed up and lost every single soldier they had.
I think you'll find the best bowmen were English/Welsh longbowmen At any rate it's still a small number, large for the time no doubt but small in relation to later wars... or even some of the earlier ones.
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"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
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purplefood wrote:it could just as easily be any other leader in a time of war.
This is the problem - the description could apply to dozens of people. The one I've heard most put forward is Ghengis Khan. Appeals a bit more to me from the point of view that Khan was a warrior himself, rather than a political leader (though again, I don't think the description makes any reference to Doombreed's previous form actually doing the killing him/herself - rather being 'responsible' for it).
Ghengis Khan did worse things than hilter. Trust me on this. He Didn't CARE WHO YOU ARE, he would kill you, This guy killed half the population of china, then killed the entire Indianian people. He went into the middle east destroyed ENTIRE cities and then he made long lines of blind people with 1 person with only one eye and he would go towards a city with all the other blind people (Who had their eyes burnt out).
Then he found the caliphate that killed one of his cousins, took the entire caliphate tortured them and made them into nice stuffed Statues for display in private war collection.
Then (Oh it gets worse), he sent the golden horde (From Russia) to attack European and slaughtered the 9,000 knights and man at arms.
Yeah I can say Doombreed is Ghengis Khan.
Hitler cannot live up to Ghengis Khan, the greatest mass murdering tactician of all time.
I would like to thank my history teacher for teaching me about Ghengis khan in the best way possible he gave us a lecture on how awesome of a tactician and leader he was.
The Khan's hordes are also responsible for the Black Plague.
Okay now he is definately one of the top if not THE top mass murderers in history... That said... the Black Plague could be said to have spurred medical advances that otherwise would not have happened.
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"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
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purplefood wrote:Okay now he is definately one of the top if not THE top mass murderers in history...
That said... the Black Plague could be said to have spurred medical advances that otherwise would not have happened.
Hitler did too. He caused a huge leap in technology every single mass murderer has caused some type of technological advance.
JAck the ripper, political advance by sending everyone to australia for fun!
Genghis beats hitler any day.
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purplefood wrote:Okay now he is definately one of the top if not THE top mass murderers in history...
That said... the Black Plague could be said to have spurred medical advances that otherwise would not have happened.
Hitler did too. He caused a huge leap in technology every single mass murderer has caused some type of technological advance.
JAck the ripper, political advance by sending everyone to australia for fun!
Genghis beats hitler any day.
Conflict brings advances. It's human nature...
The body count isn't as necessary... though it does speed up the process.
If Hitler hadn't started WWII then i doubt we would have advanced as far as we have now...
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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
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purplefood wrote:Okay now he is definately one of the top if not THE top mass murderers in history...
That said... the Black Plague could be said to have spurred medical advances that otherwise would not have happened.
Hitler did too. He caused a huge leap in technology every single mass murderer has caused some type of technological advance.
JAck the ripper, political advance by sending everyone to australia for fun!
Genghis beats hitler any day.
Conflict brings advances. It's human nature...
The body count isn't as necessary... though it does speed up the process.
If Hitler hadn't started WWII then i doubt we would have advanced as far as we have now...
Yeah hitler, but he is not Doombreed. or DoomBread.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
purplefood wrote:Okay now he is definately one of the top if not THE top mass murderers in history...
That said... the Black Plague could be said to have spurred medical advances that otherwise would not have happened.
Hitler did too. He caused a huge leap in technology every single mass murderer has caused some type of technological advance.
JAck the ripper, political advance by sending everyone to australia for fun!
Genghis beats hitler any day.
Conflict brings advances. It's human nature...
The body count isn't as necessary... though it does speed up the process.
If Hitler hadn't started WWII then i doubt we would have advanced as far as we have now...
Yeah hitler, but he is not Doombreed. or DoomBread.
Actually it's DOOMBREAD!
Hitler probably isn't Doombreed no...
Khan seems like a good bet for it...
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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
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Nah Mat is totally the Changeling...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.