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Would you make an army of only models you like? I always liked chaos dreadnoughts, never seen them in a battle ever, but they look incredible.

To often do I hear or am asked what would be better? what is more point effective? what do I need to always win and never learn a thing? I hate it. It shows a complete lack of imagination and wonder that brought me too this hobby.

I ask this because of something that happened a few days ago. I went down to GW for a quick game, I brought my mates 2000pts Iron hand army. Techmarines and dreadnoughts few transports no spam. Not at all an 'optimal' build. But my mate loves this army. The amount of detail and individuality he gives each unit is astonishing. My opponent was also a mate, foot slogging world eaters led by Kharn. Bezerkers, bloodletters, bloodthirster, terminators w/ MOK. Super khorney, no transports. Not optimal at all.

Halfway into the 2nd turn we were having a blast, neither of us getting the upper hand, neither using cheap tactics. Some kid came over and told ne, for a fact, that his army would absolutely pwn either of us, and that we were morans and noobs to run these lists. We brushed him off and continued the game. He came over again, and told me how wrong my list was. How stupid I was not too spam meltas. I told him too feth off, and that we are in the middle of a game. He came back with some mates, and started whispering to his mates, and pointing at the table (I still dont know what they said). My Khorne mate was getting real frustrated with them, (He's a REAL angery dude, prob why he likes khorne) I call the staff member over and tell them, we just want too play a game, and these kids are harrasing us. The staffer apologised and herded the lil bastards out.

This ruined the game. But I want too ask you internet. Do you go for models you like, or models that will make you win.

(And all you BA players, dont even pretend you like the Mephistion model)

Models I like. Everyone else I know goes for the same thing, so it works out.

Models I like and themes like dante and sang guard or astorath and death company. It brings flavour to the game that spammed armies just can't. People get fun from the game in different ways but I don't see taking the mick out of other peoples list 's and armies as one of them.

I definitely go for models I like, I play often but recreationally and my friends that I play are that way as well, no one looks up the most effective lists, we just like to roll dice and kill stuff, but when i have gone to a store in the past i generally try to use what I believe is the best army possible, but i dont do that often

Halfway into the 2nd turn we were having a blast, neither of us getting the upper hand, neither using cheap tactics. Some kid came over and told ne, for a fact, that his army would absolutely pwn either of us, and that we were morans and noobs to run these lists. We brushed him off and continued the game. He came over again, and told me how wrong my list was. How stupid I was not too spam meltas. I told him too feth off, and that we are in the middle of a game. He came back with some mates, and started whispering to his mates, and pointing at the table (I still dont know what they said). My Khorne mate was getting real frustrated with them, (He's a REAL angery dude, prob why he likes khorne) I call the staff member over and tell them, we just want too play a game, and these kids are harrasing us. The staffer apologised and herded the lil bastards out.

This happened to me once, but my friend took them up on it and they spent the next few minutes yelling at each other (the accuser was about 12, we were 17 at the time) before a staff member told the annoying tyke to leave. Ruined the day...

Anywho, on topic, I play IG. I have Straken, 2 platoons of 3 squads each (no commissars or PWs), 2 squads of 4 ratlings, a Scout Sentinel, a LR, 2 Basilisks, a Valk, a Vendetta and a lone Chimera with some other stuff in 1500pts. Thats my army. No Veterans, no Manticores, no Deathstrikes and no random smattering of PWs. I play with what I want to and how I like, that way I enjoy it more

And if you're always playing to win its boring for your opponent as your emotions are controlled by how well you played, not by how much fun you're having with them.

I like to win but not at the sake of playing models I can't stand or tactics I think are cheap.

Winning with style is even better!

Which I don't do that much...

Pick models I like. Make sure its not a steam roll victory for opponent. See if my damn Sorcerer blows himself up again.

OR-
go for competitive list, but use the guardsmen/Daemons witha gaudy paint scheme and humourous poses for comic relief.

Fortunately, the models I like are also quite good

I mean, what's more fun than a bunck of mini-mechas and a mek with green boyz running behind them?

Well, all ork units are great fun, and they make good plays wthout too much strategy! It's ecause they WOZ BORN TO FIGHT AND WIN!!!

I only have 2 small armies and I spend so much time doing conversions, I've never even painted them. But one big thing keeping me from trying to finish and get a game in is that I don't want to go up against one of these types. I've stood around my local GW and watched games and they all seem to be about 12 and they all seem to be there to dominate and rub it in peoples faces. It's too bad, before they moved the stor out of the local mall there were a number of regulars (all older) that were really laid back and relaxed.

I switched from Marines to Orks for the very reason of fluff over competative.

All the units are ones that I thought would be fun to build and paint. Coincidently, the army has a theme of a "Pitt Kroo" for Speed Freeks.

I pick a range and play style I like, but beyond that I choose the units that will work. I love Incubi for example, but they're crap frankly when compared to trueborn for my chosen playstyle so while I have a unit of them, they simply sit on the shelf.

From a game balance perspective, the fluff shouldn't even come into mind. I'd much rather have a diverse, but balanced codex that relies on the players to pick and choose how they much/little they want to play to the fluff then see what we have with Marines where we have fluff dictating some pretty whacked out stuff that no one wanted.

Unfortunately, it appears GW is balancing around, and making rules for the fluff rather than trying to make a fair and balanced game with options.

DeffDred wrote:I switched from Marines to Orks for the very reason of fluff over competative.

All the units are ones that I thought would be fun to build and paint. Coincidently, the army has a theme of a "Pitt Kroo" for Speed Freeks.

Oh yeah!

I go for the stuff I like but I try to make it work as well as possible. But the models are the important part.

All World Eaters in 40.000 is not "fluffy". World Eaters ceased to exist after Skalatharax and only fight as motley add-ons to other Chaos Warbands.

That said, they both sound like fun armies. Too bad the game didn't turn out well.

Zweischneid wrote:All World Eaters in 40.000 is not "fluffy". World Eaters ceased to exist after Skalatharax and only fight as motley add-ons to other Chaos Warbands.

He made the army before the Horus Heresy books came out. Its very well painted, each individual model has its own identity, everyone looks different, he was not going too change it for love nor money. A staffer told him he should get some plague marines now because 'Its super fluffy and they rock! Doooooooode!' he told him where too shove them.

Toastedandy wrote:

He made the army before the Horus Heresy books came out. Its very well painted, each individual model has its own identity, everyone looks different, he was not going too change it for love nor money. A staffer told him he should get some plague marines now because 'Its super fluffy and they rock! Doooooooode!' he told him where too shove them.

Well, the Battle of Skalathrax is in the CSM Codex, including the older ones. And it is pretty explicit in saying that the World Eaters disbanded and ceased to exist as a unifed Legion/fighting force. "Pure" World Eaters was unfluffy long before the Horus Heresy books came out.

And you cannot blame a staffer for being correct on the background. Adding some non-Khorne units to your World Eater would have been correct from a fluff-perspective. Can't blame the guy for being right. If you chose to ignore the fluff to keep it all red and shiny, that is your decision and of course your good right with your minis, but not a mistake from the staffer.

Zweischneid wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

He made the army before the Horus Heresy books came out. Its very well painted, each individual model has its own identity, everyone looks different, he was not going too change it for love nor money. A staffer told him he should get some plague marines now because 'Its super fluffy and they rock! Doooooooode!' he told him where too shove them.

Well, the Battle of Skalathrax is in the CSM Codex, including the older ones. And it is pretty explicit in saying that the World Eaters disbanded and ceased to exist as a unifed Legion/fighting force. "Pure" World Eaters was unfluffy long before the Horus Heresy books came out.

And you cannot blame a staffer for being correct on the background. Adding some non-Khorne units to your World Eater would have been correct from a fluff-perspective. Can't blame the guy for being right. If you chose to ignore the fluff to keep it all red and shiny, that is your decision and of course your good right with your minis, but not a mistake from the staffer.

Man, its not my army.

I don't play very much, so I like to have models I like and armies that are fluffy.

Toastedandy wrote:
Man, its not my army.

True. But you posted it as a trade-off between "Fluff versus Competitive". Which is a fallacy. Your friend with his all-Khorne army was gimping himself on "competitive" in order to play a quite explicitly "unfluffy" army. Mixing it up for a bit more in-game balance would have, incidently, also made the army more "fluffy". Just an observation.

Zweischneid wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:
Man, its not my army.

True. But you posted it as a trade-off between "Fluff versus Competitive". Which is a fallacy. Your friend with his all-Khorne army was gimping himself on "competitive" in order to play a quite explicitly "unfluffy" army. Mixing it up for a bit more in-game balance would have, incidently, also made the army more "fluffy". Just an observation.

Bit pedantic I know, but whats wrong with an all khorne army? he didint use any world eater iconography, (except on his custom kharn) but what about the first war of armageddon? for all you or I know he based it on that

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/First_War_for_Armageddon

Toastedandy wrote:Bit pedantic I know, but whats wrong with an all khorne army? he didint use any world eater iconography, (except on his custom kharn) but what about the first war of armageddon? for all you or I know he based it on that

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/First_War_for_Armageddon

Fair enough. Your initial post didn't mention you where playing specific "historic" campaign. I was just running on "regular" 40K.

Zweischneid wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Bit pedantic I know, but whats wrong with an all khorne army? he didint use any world eater iconography, (except on his custom kharn) but what about the first war of armageddon? for all you or I know he based it on that

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/First_War_for_Armageddon

Fair enough. Your initial post didn't mention you where playing specific "historic" campaign. I was just running on "regular" 40K.

We weren't. I said they were fluffy. You disagreed totally, I showed you the fluff, and suddenly I'm in the wrong?

Toastedandy wrote:
We weren't. I said they were fluffy. You disagreed totally, I showed you the fluff, and suddenly I'm in the wrong?

They point is, they show up in the fluff once!

1. World Eaters disband at the Battle of Skalathrax

2. Primarch of the World Eaters tries to unite them (1st War of Armaggeddon) but ultimately fails.

Ergo.. that is two events that highlight that World Eaters, as a unified force, do not exist in 40K. A) Because they disbanded. B) Because the one large-scale attempt to re-unify them was a failure. It actually emphasises that an all-WE-force coming together is no banal thing and if it ever should happen (in the way your friends army on the table would suggest), it would constitute a major "historic" event in the 40K-universe on par with the 1st War for Armaggeddon.

It even says so in the article you linked

It was the culmination of years of preparation by Angron, favoured of Khorne, to unify the World Eaters after the Battle of Skalathrax into a coherent force capable of turning on the Imperium. In the end, it was Angron's own foolish belief of victory before total conquest that led to the failure of the campaign and his banishment to the warp for one hundred years.

The Battle of Skalathrax was the final action of the World Eaters Chaos Space Marines as a unified Legion. Skalathrax is a Daemon World within the Eye of Terror and was the site of conflict between the World Eaters and the Emperor's Children.

....

The World Eaters were, ever since, broken as a Legion, fragmented into countless, marauding warbands. Khârn has become the mortal incarnation of Khorne's ideal of maddened bloodlust and hate, killing any worthy enough to serve as a blood offering to Khorne. Only those who share his insanity would fight alongside him, for Khârn knows no friend or ally. In all his years of war he has known only victory, for only death could halt the rampage of one as relentless as Khârn.

The World Eaters were unified, but fractured at Skalathrax into warbands. Whose not to say it isn't a World Eaters warband?

iproxtaco wrote:The World Eaters were unified, but fractured at Skalathrax into warbands. Whose not to say it isn't a Word Bearers warband?

Just about too say that. it was 2000 points. How small do you reckon a warband is? Your wrong. Its fluffy. Deal with it like a man

iproxtaco wrote:The World Eaters were unified, but fractured at Skalathrax into warbands. Whose not to say it isn't a Word Bearers warband?

If it is, it would be "fluffy" to include non-Khorne units to symbolically represent the rag-tag nature of Chaos Warbands. If you field a force entirely of Khorne/WE-units, the association is most likely, that they are a (smaller) tabletop-representation of an all-Khorne/WE-fighting force.

Posted Word Bearers by mistake, oh well. It's a fluffy army. It's an army entirely based around The World Eaters and Khorne.

Zweischneid wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The World Eaters were unified, but fractured at Skalathrax into warbands. Whose not to say it isn't a Word Bearers warband?

If it is, it would be "fluffy" to include non-Khorne units to symbolically represent the rag-tag nature of Chaos Warbands. If you field a force entirely of Khorne/WE-units, the association is most likely, that they are a (smaller) tabletop-representation of an all-Khorne/WE-fighting force.

Either is fluffy. Its a khornate warband. Suck it up, everyones wrong once in awhile.

Zweischneid wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The World Eaters were unified, but fractured at Skalathrax into warbands. Whose not to say it isn't a Word Bearers warband?

If it is, it would be "fluffy" to include non-Khorne units to symbolically represent the rag-tag nature of Chaos Warbands. If you field a force entirely of Khorne/WE-units, the association is most likely, that they are a (smaller) tabletop-representation of an all-Khorne/WE-fighting force.

And it's still fluffy not to include them, which you seem to miss.

Toastedandy wrote:
Either is fluffy. Its a khornate warband. Suck it up, everyones wrong once in awhile.

I think your bending the fluff fairly hard to make it stick to your army. I can make an all-Jumper Ultramarine army using the BA-Codex and say it is the 8th reserve company of the Ultramarines. It is quite "possible" for Ultramarines to field an all-Jumper list. But that doesn't mean it is "fluffy". Two different things.