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I want to make sure this works. Lets say we have a 5 man unit of Chaos Ogres w/: the Mark of Nurgleand my opponent fails his fear test, by the rules of fear, their WS would be lowered to 1. Now would the Mark of Nurgle reduce this to 0? Or would the reduction happen before the fear test reduced it to 0?

I dont believe it does since mon says to a minimum of 1 and I dont remember the FAQ saying anything about it so mon not that great.

Fear test is first, as it is before the attacks start and you only drop your WS when attacking the Nurgle unit.

Yup you do take fear first but nurgle only drops it by 1 to a minimum of 1 so ya if they fail fear they are ws 1 and hit back.

according to the WoC book, and the 1.4 FAQ MoN does not say anything about a minimum so i dont know where people get that from.

so yes with a failed fear check which occurs before combat could reduce a model to 1 WS, then -1 WS when attacking = 0 WS.

per the BRB a model with a 0 can not perform that action so they can not attack, but they still defend at 1 WS. Though people counter with always hit on a natural 6 under "to hit" so its up to the TO to decide or dice for it.

cowpow16 wrote:Yup you do take fear first but nurgle only drops it by 1 to a minimum of 1 so ya if they fail fear they are ws 1 and hit back.

WHere are you getting "to a minimum of 1" from? It doesnt exist in the armybook or the FAQ

The armybook does actually state to a minimum of one(at least mine does). It's the fact that the FAQ decided to change that and it no longer states to a minimum of one. Also our LGS ruled that if your WS is 0 you can attack, but you are unable to actually hit so thus null and void.

The errata changed it. Not FAQ. Actual change to rules.

icefire78 wrote:The armybook does actually state to a minimum of one(at least mine does). It's the fact that the FAQ decided to change that and it no longer states to a minimum of one. Also our LGS ruled that if your WS is 0 you can attack, but you are unable to actually hit so thus null and void.

Odd. Since the rules for attacking says that attacks always hit on a 6 regardless of modifiers.
If you can attack, 6's always hit.
The question should be can WS0 attack.

IMO, I'll let my opponent hit on 6's. That's the least favorable to me, and when in doubt, play generously.

-Matt

lixulana wrote:per the BRB a model with a 0 can not perform that action so they can not attack, but they still defend at 1 WS.

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If a creature or object has a Weapon Skill of 0 then it is unable to defend itself in close combat, and any blows struck against it will therefore automatically hit.

I can imagine how bad it would be to get automatically hit by Ogres and such while being unable to defend yourself. defending yourself would mean fighting back right? well, I interpret it as such but you may think otherwise and what authority does my opinon have?

My army books ays to a minimum of 1 so Im not sure what to go with but I dont really use nurgle so I havent had the problem.

cowpow16 wrote:My army books ays to a minimum of 1 so Im not sure what to go with but I dont really use nurgle so I havent had the problem.

Your army book also says you get 4 heroes, one of which may be a lord at 2,000 points.
Welcome to 8th edition, things change.

My army book says -1 to be hit (early printing). You've got to go by the errata's and FAQs.

-Matt

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If a creature or object has a Weapon Skill of 0 then it is unable to defend itself in close combat, and any blows struck against it will therefore automatically hit.

I can imagine how bad it would be to get automatically hit by Ogres and such while being unable to defend yourself. defending yourself would mean fighting back right? well, I interpret it as such but you may think otherwise and what authority does my opinon have?

The unit would only be at WS 0 while attacking though Lotet. When they are not attacking they do not suffer the -1 from the MoN, so they would be at WS 1 when the enemy attempts to hit them.

Lotet - attacking is not defending.

You are hit automatically, but nothing prevents you from attacking. A roll of a 6 always hits.

Lehnsherr wrote:

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If a creature or object has a Weapon Skill of 0 then it is unable to defend itself in close combat, and any blows struck against it will therefore automatically hit.

I can imagine how bad it would be to get automatically hit by Ogres and such while being unable to defend yourself. defending yourself would mean fighting back right? well, I interpret it as such but you may think otherwise and what authority does my opinon have?

The unit would only be at WS 0 while attacking though Lotet. When they are not attacking they do not suffer the -1 from the MoN, so they would be at WS 1 when the enemy attempts to hit them.

yes, I was going to edit my post to say that, then I read the Army Book again and accidentally separated the 2 halves of the sentence. i.e. -1 WS when in base contact with the bearer.

The correct answer is: No

I had not looked at the Warriors of Chaos Errata on GW's page. Its actually the very first listing in the errata:

Page 110, The Mark of Nurgle, second
paragraph. The text should be changed as
follows:
When rolling to hit against a model with the
Mark of Nurgle, the attacker suffers -1 to its
Ballistic Skill and Weapon Skill, to a
minimum of 1.

Which means if you fail your fear test, the mark of nurgle does jack squat.

Making mon kind of over priced.

Hmmm, I do not see the "to a minimum of 1." on the errata I just pulled up from GW.

Page 110 – The Mark of Nurgle
Change the second paragraph to “A model with the Mark of
Nurgle is difficult to target. Ranged attacks that target him are
at -1 To Hit. Models that target him in close combat are at -1
WS.”

7th edition FAQ (or an earlier one for 8th) had it that way, but the most recent, v 1.4, does not.

SonsofOdin - that is NOT the text in the v1.4 FAQ available from here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780264a_FAQ_WarriorsofChaos_V1_4.pdf

SonsofOdin wrote:The correct answer is: No

I had not looked at the Warriors of Chaos Errata on GW's page. Its actually the very first listing in the errata:

Page 110, The Mark of Nurgle, second
paragraph. The text should be changed as
follows:
When rolling to hit against a model with the
Mark of Nurgle, the attacker suffers -1 to its
Ballistic Skill and Weapon Skill, to a
minimum of 1.

Which means if you fail your fear test, the mark of nurgle does jack squat.

where did you get your faq from, because as has been said you need to check the one currently on the GW website.

and yes the debate still rages if a WS0 can attack.

Not really; the only additional rule is that you are hit automatically. You are told tha ta roll of a 6 always succeeds.

I found out recently that Yhetees in Storm of Magic have Fear and reduce WS of enemies in base contact by 1 at all times.

*shrugs*

not that it matters.

Valid point either way if mon ever comes up in a game unless it says it clearly ill play it as ws1 unless my opponent knows better but im sure we will figure it out.

And woot but who will play storm of magic Lotet haha I kid but it may turn out like spear head for 40k.

more like Apocalyse for 40K. you might think the Titan mounted missile that removes its targets off the map is rediculous but the Slann have a spell that makes thier opponents reel in disbelief at how unbalanced the game can become.

but enough off-topic stuff. we'll know all when it's time for the release.

Lotet wrote:I found out recently that Yhetees in Storm of Magic have Fear and reduce WS of enemies in base contact by 1 at all times.

*shrugs*

not that it matters.

thats what Yhetees do normally.

and its only enemies in BtB with the actual Yhetee(supporting attacks are uneffected)


they still suck hard because they cost too much.

Just like most of the monsters most likely.

Still cool new models are always fun.

is 700 points too much for a monster that has 9 for all its stats?

Whats its armor and ward save?

3+ Armour, no Ward but it flies and breaths fire, guess who.

Well still 200 points of cannons beats 700 points of beast sadly :(