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I haven't seen a Wargamescon thread (aside one noting some coverage), so thought this would be a good place for it.

Lots of familiar faces here; its good to catch up with friends! So far I've seen Marc Parker, Paul Murphy, Goatboy (don't know if he's playing or judging this weekend), Blackmoor...a lot of heavy hitters.

Give a shout if you're here / playing / etc.

Day One wraps up! No one posted. ><

I went 4-0 on day one...30/30/30/20.

I missed killpoints 12-11 for secondary on the fourth game. I just checked my codex, and beastmasters are LD8, not LD6, and shouldn't have run away (and consequently been escorted off the board). Damn. That was turn 3 or 4 too.

nice and GL tommorow.

What lists did you play against?

I'd love to hear some more reports/results.

I saw that Ben Mohlie lost in the final round to a guy from the 19th Legion podcast in the Mirror Match tournament. That was an intriguing event, and one I'd be really tempted to try next year.

I saw that Next Level Painting (Kenny and co) won the Team Tourney, which isn't too surprising. I know Kenny's a strong player, no doubt whoever he brought along was too, and I'm sure Kenny painted them a beautiful army.

Who else is at the top going into Day 2 of the GT?

I saw the top table armies on bols. Once again, tournament data shows that it's the player, not the list that matters.

Good luck to all the finalists!

There's some more coverage over on http://bloodofkittens.com/

Game 5 is about to start will add coverage as it happens.

Round 5 top five tables

1. David Light (mech blood angels) vs. Dashofpepper (Mech Dark Eldar)
2. Alan barjamovic (Foot Orks) vs. Chad Knight (mech blood angels)
3. Michael Strange (grey knights) vs. Kenny Boucher (khorne demons)
4. Shawn Lowrey (mixed dark eldar) vs Russell Adams (mech sisters)
5. Joseph Cherry (grey knights) vs. Chandler Lee (grey knights)

Game 5 over

Dash gets more points stays at table 1. Orks win table 2 so dash gets horde orks.

Table 2 will be Michael strange vs. Joseph cherry grey knights vs grey knights

Table 3 Marc Parker battlewagon orks vs. Adam Cortez (hybrid khan marines)

Well table three got over with really quick… Like 15min and khan marines called it with a bold move to kill all the battlewagons and failed. So Marc Parker moves on with max points and looking at the rest of tables Marc should be on the top table for the final round.

Thanks for posting this! I really wish I went! I'm rooting for Marc to take the whole thing with orks!

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/07/10/meat-for-meta-wargamescon-issues-of-etiquette/

This says it all. Another sham of an event thanks to some players (and, frankly, TOs)... who constantly make sham of events.

I think its more of an issue with Tasty Taste than anything else. He always seems to report things without the full story. I will wait for the players to report before I take his word.

Latest update from BoK:

"Table 1 is Joe Cherry Grey Knights with Stormraven. Vs Allan Horde Orks (which ended up winning the game against Dash)

Table 2 is Marc Parker (battlewagon orks) vs. Shawn Lowrey (mixed dark Eldar)

Table 3 is Ben Mohile (vulkan list) vs. Dash (Venom spam dark Eldar)

It is really anyone’s game they all can win."

So far (1 hour in) table 1 is getting testy with rad grenades hammerhand and hiding from the ork horde. It really doesn’t look good for the grey knights, but the stormraven is alive so it can contest. Orks have nob bikers about move in

Table 2

Marc Parker has bad dice and Shawn has good dice. Dark Eldar win. Shawn will either have best general or best overall.

Table 3

Ben max points Dash loses but gets bonus points.

Back to table 1

Paladin squad is going on an Ork killing spree. The question is it enough?

Well it was not enough. Orks win out and just have to see where the points land.

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I would be surprised if Ben had lost to Dash. Dash is a pretty solid player, with an excellent list, but Ben is one of the better players I've come up against.

Pretty cool stuff.

So who won?

Results are on the tournament site.

Shawn Lowrey takes Overall with Dark Eldar
Alan Bajramovic 2nd with horde Orks.
Ben "Spacecurves" Mohlie (defending champion and the ETC team captain) gets Best General with Codex: SM

http://www.wargamescon.com/2011/07/warhammer-40k-grand-tournament.html#more

Meanwhile, in the Rogue Trader event (formerly called the Consolation tournament, last year)...

Allan "Blackmoor" Hernandez and Adam Tricola take Overall and Best General. The website is not entirely clear which got which, though. The main page lists Adam as Overall winner, but the standings list has Allan at the top. They appear to have also accidentally copy & pasted the GT results at the top of the page of the RT results.

http://www.wargamescon.com/2011/07/warhammer-40k-rogue-trader-tournament.html#more

Wow, awesome results.

A major event with no SW, IG, or BA in the top 3? That's awesome in my book, especially the orks. I met Alan at the ATC where he also played foot orks (could be the same list) and our pairing also lost to him. He's quite a good ork player!

I'm sure at least one internet loudmouth with nick the event as "uncompetitive" for some random perceived "fail" in scoring or format, but I've played or observed just about every player in the top 10 and I think we all know this was a tough field.

Good job to all.

Internet loudmouths, for the most part, have a distinct lack of real-world performance to back up their words. When you meet them and play against them, you tend to notice that you know quite a few other players as good or better who aren't obnoxious about it.

When people write Orks off as uncompetetive, what they're actually saying is that Orks aren't competetive under their playstyle. For them, and the way they work, they could never produce the results they could with other lists.

What they fail to acknowledge, is that their playstyle isn't the only way to play this game, and that other styles that produce much better results with orks are perfectly valid.

I'm not sure whether its ignorance or arrogance (or a fine blend of the two) that produces this one eyed approach, but those who assume that their playstyle is the only way to play this game demonstrate hubris at its best.

I have to say that was quite a roller coaster of a final day in a GT. Can't wait to see what battle reports pour out of this one!

I have to agree that the internet loudmouths are only so "superb" thanks to their dedication to their single-minded idea of what Warhammer 40,000 should be like. It seems like every time I turn around, if someone wins with a crappy army, the tournament is non-competitive and unless it is one of the newest codices/a codex they praise it falls on the tournament organizers having a poor understanding of the rules and such,.

Mannahnin wrote:Internet loudmouths, for the most part, have a distinct lack of real-world performance to back up their words. When you meet them and play against them, you tend to notice that you know quite a few other players as good or better who aren't obnoxious about it.

+1

Then we've got guys like Ben Mohlie who also contributes to the blogosphere without insulting people, gives solid advice, and produces results on the tournament circuit. I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with him, if you arent he: Lead the ETC American Team to 5th overall their first time at the event personally representing the best results on the team, took 3rd overall at DaBoyz GT 2010, 1st overall at Boston Brawl last week, 2nd best general at ATC in May, and now in the top 3 again. If you haven't met him, the guy is always smiling and laughing. A genuine nice guy.

It's also interesting to me that Ben and John W., both American ETC members scored the second highest in sportsmanship.

Dash got the lowest sportsmanship score and several blogs reported on the drama during his 3.5 hour game during round 4. I believe he said he's not batrep'ing this event, but damn I would read that report.

Looks like a good event allthough I would have like to see a bigger spread in painting and sportsmanship. Painting from 24-29 hardly makes it even worth including.

Mannahnin wrote:

Meanwhile, in the Rogue Trader event (formerly called the Consolation tournament, last year)...

Allan "Blackmoor" Hernandez and Adam Tricola take Overall and Best General. The website is not entirely clear which got which, though. The main page lists Adam as Overall winner, but the standings list has Allan at the top. They appear to have also accidentally copy & pasted the GT results at the top of the page of the RT results.

I (Adam Tricola) ended up with Overall in the RTT with my Dark Eldar. :-p

I had been under the impression that painting was the only thing that actually 'counted' in the RTT for overall scoring, so I'm assuming that's why I won, though according to the scores, we had drawn. Not sure what the tiebreaker was, unless it was painting.

/shrug

I'll have full battle reports up on my blog in a few days for all 7 games, as well as some slightly less detailed reports of my mirror match games.

Congrats on winning the RTT. Your DE army looks beautiful.

Xaereth wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:

Meanwhile, in the Rogue Trader event (formerly called the Consolation tournament, last year)...

Allan "Blackmoor" Hernandez and Adam Tricola take Overall and Best General. The website is not entirely clear which got which, though. The main page lists Adam as Overall winner, but the standings list has Allan at the top. They appear to have also accidentally copy & pasted the GT results at the top of the page of the RT results.

I (Adam Tricola) ended up with Overall in the RTT with my Dark Eldar. :-p

I had been under the impression that painting was the only thing that actually 'counted' in the RTT for overall scoring, so I'm assuming that's why I won, though according to the scores, we had drawn. Not sure what the tiebreaker was, unless it was painting.

/shrug

I'll have full battle reports up on my blog in a few days for all 7 games, as well as some slightly less detailed reports of my mirror match games.

I hope this educates some people. It is the players, not the list.

And there are some of us who've been shouting from the rooftops for years that orks still kick ass, and yet there are still doubters.

Sisters are super good, too. Just not a common army.

Oh well, enough of that. People are free to think what they choose.

Congrats to the winners! Sounds like a great day of 40k and gaming in general.

@walls
a sham event? Come on dude, your free to your opinion but that's more than a little bit of hyperbole.

hyv3mynd wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Internet loudmouths, for the most part, have a distinct lack of real-world performance to back up their words. When you meet them and play against them, you tend to notice that you know quite a few other players as good or better who aren't obnoxious about it.

+1

Then we've got guys like Ben Mohlie who also contributes to the blogosphere without insulting people, gives solid advice, and produces results on the tournament circuit. I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with him, if you arent he: Lead the ETC American Team to 5th overall their first time at the event personally representing the best results on the team, took 3rd overall at DaBoyz GT 2010, 1st overall at Boston Brawl last week, 2nd best general at ATC in May, and now in the top 3 again. If you haven't met him, the guy is always smiling and laughing. A genuine nice guy.

It's also interesting to me that Ben and John W., both American ETC members scored the second highest in sportsmanship.

Dash got the lowest sportsmanship score and several blogs reported on the drama during his 3.5 hour game during round 4. I believe he said he's not batrep'ing this event, but damn I would read that report.

Looks like a good event allthough I would have like to see a bigger spread in painting and sportsmanship. Painting from 24-29 hardly makes it even worth including.

There were issues with time management in at least one game. Taking notes and photographs for battle reports would only have made things worse.

Reecius, perhaps I said it wrong. I can give you that.

However let's be truthful here. Allowing them to play was a pile of bs. They couldn't finish, that's their fault and probably because of constant arguing rules. What about the guys on other tables not going to the can so they finished in time? Should they have been allowed to take a wazz or go have a smoke or go get a sandwich and be allowed extra time? It was a clear lack of leadership and giving in to friends and "net famous" warhammer players. It was COMPLETELY unfair to the rest of the players.

I'd agree that giving one table an extra thirty minutes (or whatever) is egregious. As a tournament judge what do you do in such a circumstance? If you call time and settle the game at that point it could favor the individual slow-playing. So you either call time and award the win to the player not slow-playing, or call it a draw, or give them more time.

Or you state that any table that doesn't make it through X turns will count as a loss for both players.

Redbeard wrote:Or you state that any table that doesn't make it through X turns will count as a loss for both players.

That is an interesting option. I like it.

I could get on board with that Redbeard. Might be something for people to consider Say minimum 4 turns or you both lose?

Redbeard wrote:Or you state that any table that doesn't make it through X turns will count as a loss for both players.

Which is fine, if both players think they can still win. If one player's getting crushed and will lose anyways, he can spite the other guy by slowing the game down, making the guy crushing him lose as well. Allowing players to chipmunk wins as well as sportsmanship out of spite may not be a move forward.