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I might have written that wrong... but what I mean is if you could make flull-wise stats/rules for 40k models, what would they be?
for example:

Kriegsman:
ws 4
bs 4
s 3
t 3
w 1
i 3
a 2
ld 10
sv 5+

Wargear: Flak armour, Frag grenades, Bayonet, Gas Mask, Lucius pattern lasgun.

Bayonet: +1 attack
Gas Mask: treats ballistic poison weapons as normal weapons
Lucius pattern lasgun: the AP of the lasgun is 6

Special rules:
Hardened fighters: +1 ws
No Fear: same as ATSKNF
Loyal to the end: every member in an Infantry Squad has the Look Out, Argh! special rule
Got it?

If these in my opinion fitting and cool rules are to be introduced they'd better be appropiately priced but overally impressed.
However i think the WS bonus is redundant, and the order thing unnececary, the test is not because of loyalty, but of clearness in the orders, failing it meens the orrders were vague and unusable.

Juniperius wrote:If these in my opinion fitting and cool rules are to be introduced they'd better be appropiately priced but overally impressed.
However i think the WS bonus is redundant, and the order thing unnececary, the test is not because of loyalty, but of clearness in the orders, failing it meens the orrders were vague and unusable.

Well that's all that came to my mind in a short time... so let me tweak it a bit

Space Marine

WS: 7 BS: 7 S: 6 T: 6 W: 3 I: 5 A: 3 Ld: 10

Wargear: Power Armor(2+ Save)

Boltgun: S: 6 Range: 24" AP: 4 Type: Assault 3, Rending

Bolt Pistol: S: 6 Range: 12" AP: 4 Type: Pistol, Rending

Chainsword: Allows the Space Marine to re-roll rolls to Wound. Rending.

Rules: And They Shall Conquer Fear, Emperor's Tactics, Independent Character

And They Shall Conquer Fear: A Space Marine, and any squad he is with, may re-roll all failed Leadership tests.

Emperor's Tactics: A squad that includes a Space Marine may re-roll Reserve Rolls, Deep Strike Scatter Dice, and Outflank Direction dice.

You forgot an ap value for the bolt gun.

Khornate beserker 44pts
Ws 8
BS 4
S 6
T 6(8)
W 2(4)
I 5
A 2(5)
LD 10

Wargear- power armour, 2+
Chainaxe- failed to wound rolls may be re rolled, also no armour saves may be made.
Bolt Pistol: S: 6 AP 6 Range: 12" Type: Pistol, Rending

Rules Fearless
Berserker, Berserkers can take 4 wounds in close combat and 2 from ranged, remove the model depending on which wound total is reached first, also the unit must always move towards the nearest enemy unit, must sweeping advance and must assault when possible, finally whilst using the chainaxe beserkers can make 5 attacks and also always attack first
no mercy: if a model breaks after being involved in close combat with a unit of KB the unit rolls 3 D6 and moves the combined total in an effort to escape the carnage

I really like that "Berserker" rule.

thanks, i forgot to mention that they become T 8 in clos combat too

Probably worth more than 44 points though.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Space Marine

WS: 7 BS: 7 S: 6 T: 6 W: 3 I: 5 A: 3 Ld: 10

In that case....

Ork Nob:

Ws8, BS4, S8, T8, W5, I5, A5, Ld10

Insert overpowered ability #1 here, involvign becoming T10 in close combat.

Insert overpowered ability #2 here, involving becoming S10 in close combat.

Insert overpowered ability #3 here, involving gaining three attacks from charging instead of one.

Insert overpowered ability #4 here, involving gaining two initiative from charging (they can't gain any more strength).

Insert overpowered ability #5 here, involving becoming WS10 on the charge.

Feel No Pain

Mob Rule

Kaballite Warrior:

WS: 4 BS: 4(5) S:3 T:3 I:5 A:1 Ld:9

Wargear: Splinter Rifle, Kaballite Armor

Rules: Power from Pain, Night Vision

Clinical Killer: All models with the Clinical Killer special rule count as BS5 when on foot or when their dedicated Transport did not move in a turn they fire at an enemy.

Mellisia dont be a spoil sport

and yeah 44 points was a guess, but then i guess make them an elite and slap 0-10 on them to pretend to balance it, all codexes need an overpowered deathstar

Fairfeldia wrote:Mellisia dont be a spoil sport

I'm not. I'm pointing out that you're trying to give stupid buffs to already rather strong units in a non-precise D6 system, by showing waht that would mean for a unit that is canonically stronger in almost every way than your beloved Space Marine.

sluggaslugga wrote:
Gas Mask: treats ballistic poison weapons as normal weapons

Honest question? How does having a Gas Mask protect you from being riddled with toxins from a hail of Dark Eldar Splinter flechettes?

I'd actually say Melissia has the Ork about right, so long as she renamed the powers to something good an' proppa.

Tau Fire Warrior: (Points unknown)
WS 3 BS 6 S3 T3 W2 I3 A2 Ld 9 4+ Sv

Squad Size: 8 models equiped with Pulse Rifles

Targetting Arrays: Enemies in cover recieve a -1 to their Cover Save

Mont'au: If the squad is reduced to one model, roll 1d6. If it is 1-5, remove the model. If it is a 6, the remaining model becomes WS5 BS4 I5 A4 with a 5+ invul save and Fearless. (To emulate the craziness of the Shas'la from Firewarrior).

Hot Drop: The Devilfish the Shas'la are in may deepstrike

Pulse Rifle: 30" S5 Ap 4 Assault 2 Rending

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:Kaballite Warrior:

WS: 4 BS: 4(5) S:3 T:3 I:5 A:1 Ld:9

Wargear: Splinter Rifle, Kaballite Armor

Rules: Power from Pain, Night Vision

Clinical Killer: All models with the Clinical Killer special rule count as BS5 when on foot or when their dedicated Transport did not move in a turn they fire at an enemy.

Not much different from regular kalabites.

SkaerKrow wrote:

sluggaslugga wrote:
Gas Mask: treats ballistic poison weapons as normal weapons

Honest question? How does having a Gas Mask protect you from being riddled with toxins from a hail of Dark Eldar Splinter flechettes?

They're Krieg besides, it only takes the poison effect away...
So you would wound kriegsmen on a 4+ I guess (I don't know the str of a Splinter Rifle).

A Splinter Rifle is strength X. It always wounds on a 4.

Make it so that poison ranged weapons have to re-roll rolls to wound.

It makes sense for the different Regiments to have real-game abilities. I'd like to see the Death Korps get their own Codex, similar to how the Catachans used to and many of the Space Marines Chapters do.

Isn't there a Krieg Forge World codex?

darkPrince010 wrote:Tau Fire Warrior: (Points unknown)
WS 3 BS 6 S3 T3 W2 I3 A2 Ld 9 4+ Sv

Canonically, Tau are bad shots. They work their assess off in training to become as good as a guardsman at shooting.


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Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Isn't there a Krieg Forge World codex?

Yes.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Isn't there a Krieg Forge World codex?

I was not aware, and sure enough here it is http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/k/kreig.pdf
Too bad it can't be used in "normal" games though.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:A Splinter Rifle is strength X. It always wounds on a 4.

Make it so that poison ranged weapons have to re-roll rolls to wound.

If it's str X it doesn't matter if it's poisoned or not... it ALWAYS WOUNDS ON A 4+

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:I'd actually say Melissia has the Ork about right, so long as she renamed the powers to something good an' proppa.

I'd call the nob more on par with a Marine. Like it is statwise now.

DarknessEternal wrote:

darkPrince010 wrote:Tau Fire Warrior: (Points unknown)
WS 3 BS 6 S3 T3 W2 I3 A2 Ld 9 4+ Sv

Canonically, Tau are bad shots. They work their assess off in training to become as good as a guardsman at shooting.

Ah. Didn't remember that. BS4 then (To account for all the electronics they have for targeting and the like on top of BS4.) and drops to BS2 when the Mont'au rule applies.

darkPrince010 wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

darkPrince010 wrote:Tau Fire Warrior: (Points unknown)
WS 3 BS 6 S3 T3 W2 I3 A2 Ld 9 4+ Sv

Canonically, Tau are bad shots. They work their assess off in training to become as good as a guardsman at shooting.

Ah. Didn't remember that. BS4 then (To account for all the electronics they have for targeting and the like on top of BS4.) and drops to BS2 when the Mont'au rule applies.

Why would Tau have 2 wounds

Why would a combat-oriented sub-species be frail enough to die/surrender from a single broken limb? I'm not saying they're better then a Space Marine (I think 3W is a bit of a lowball estimate imo), but they're certainly tougher than a regular guardsmen (due to millenia of evolution and notably better armor). I felt it'd be more appropriate to take this into account with 2W instead of a 3+ Sv (Since that'd be almost marine power armor). For example, I'd also give the CC-focused Kroot a 5/6+ Sv and 2W or T4/5 (Due to tougher physiology), but not both.

darkPrince010 wrote:Why would a combat-oriented sub-species be frail enough to die/surrender from a single broken limb? I'm not saying they're better then a Space Marine (I think 3W is a bit of a lowball estimate imo), but they're certainly tougher than a regular guardsmen (due to millenia of evolution and notably better armor). I felt it'd be more appropriate to take this into account with 2W instead of a 3+ Sv (Since that'd be almost marine power armor). For example, I'd also give the CC-focused Kroot a 5/6+ Sv and 2W or T4/5 (Due to tougher physiology), but not both.

Are you talking about Tau right now?

If I recall Tau are the ''young'' race in 40k, not the millenia old one.

I don't actually understand that why would an fire warrior have 2 wounds? If an normal man has his leg blown up then id guess that he would incapacitated by the pain and would be unable to fight further. Space marines are bionically enhanced warriors and ive seen in pictures and fluff that if an space marine would have his arm tored off, he wouldn't scream. Instead he would continue to fight, the pain would only fuel his rage even further. And according to the fluff that the tau firewarriors have an crappy BS because they're unable to concentrate properly to their targets since even an damn bird flying around would distract them. Try to keep watching an target when in battle, when theres an billion other things flying around you. For an tau, this is multiple times harder.