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So I was reading the Fall of Damnos and one character talks briefly about life after death, but is incredibly vague. This raised the question, which I would assume is rather important to a semi theocratic state like the Imperium, of what do they believe concerning life after death?

They believe their soul goes to the Emperor.

In reality, it goes to the Warp, to drift mindlessly, or be eaten by some Daemon or the Gods.

They believe whatever they want to believe.

Void__Dragon wrote:
In reality, it goes to the Warp, to drift mindlessly, or be eaten by some Daemon or the Gods.

There is no prof to support that.

As for OP. In 40k practice is that souls are going to whoever that persion swear his loyaltie to ( exept for Eldar whos souls got eat by Slaanesh ). So all Imperial souls go to Warp and then feed the Emperor, as souls of Chaos worshipers go to Warp and feed Chaos Gods.

Brother Coa wrote:There is no prof to support that.

As for OP. In 40k practice is that souls are going to whoever that persion swear his loyaltie to ( exept for Eldar whos souls got eat by Slaanesh ). So all Imperial souls go to Warp and then feed the Emperor, as souls of Chaos worshipers go to Warp and feed Chaos Gods.

Other than the Eldar codex stating that human souls go into the Warp and lose their consciousness, and said souls are what feed the Furies of Chaos in the Chaos Daemons codex.

There isn't any proof that the souls of humanity go to the Emperor, there is however evidence of the opposite.

Stop this.

The question is not what really happens. It is what do they believe, which void provided his own answer to. What do the rest of you know?

Void__Dragon wrote:Other than the Eldar codex stating that human souls go into the Warp and lose their consciousness, and said souls are what feed the Furies of Chaos in the Chaos Daemons codex.

We all know that, however the prof would be like: "Every Human soul that get into Warp is almost immediately eaten by Chaos Gods." I only see here sentence that say: "souls are what feed the Chaos Gods and Daemons" - and that is a well know fact that they are feed by souls. The sentence you provide is no proof but fact that you twisted so you may use it to counter my claim.

Stop this.

You stop attacking my Emperor. Alien.

How very sad.

Void__Dragon wrote:How very sad.

Very.


Coa,he is another human,on the other end of Terra.


And,I play GK and SM and Nids.You going to call me an Alien too?In fact,in the 41M,no one says alien,they say Xenos,so you are either wierd or a Heretic.

Deadshot wrote:

Very.

Coa,he is another human,on the other end of Terra.

And,I play GK and SM and Nids.You going to call me an Alien too?In fact,in the 41M,no one says alien,they say Xenos,so you are either wierd or a Heretic.

"Contact with alien races always renews one's faith in humanity. It is my belief that foreign travel narrows the mind wonderfully."
+++ attributed to Helem Boesch +++

"Trust in the Emperor at the hour of battle.
Trust to him to intercede, and protect his warriors true as they deal death on alien soil.
Turn their seas to red with the blood of their slain.
Crush their hopes, their dreams
And turn their songs into cries of lamentation."

+++"Uphold the honour of the Emperor", vow of the Black Templars Chapter+++

"O Emperor, in wrath rejoicing at bloody wars, fierce and untamed,
whose mighty power doth make the strongest walls from their foundations shake.
All-conquering Master of Mankind, be pleased with this war's tumultuous roar.
Delight in swords and fists red with alien blood, and the dire ruins of savage battle.
Rejoice in furious challenge, and avenging strife, whose works with woe embitter human life!"

+++"Accept any challenge, no matter the odds", prayer and vow of the Black Templars Chapter +++

Come you aliens, show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind!.
+++ Force commander, Blood Ravens Chapter +++

Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels

You will fight in the streets, and in the habs! You will fight for the enemy's death, not your own lives! You will fight and you will drive this alien filth from the Emperor's city. You will do these things, or you will face my wrath.
+++ Captain Denon of the Salamanders' 2nd Company +++

Give me a gun, a google-eyed alien to shoot it at, and I’ll die a happy man.
— Guardsman Franx +++

So here I am, in a lose-lose position. Stay here and die at the hands of alien heretics - or throw in my lot with two superhuman psychopaths with a death wish!
— Trooper Halvus on Colderon V on Brother-Captain Invictus +++

All was lost. The Xenos scum, who smashed us for two days straight, were hurtling towards us again. We readied ourselves for death. And then Death came. Ten Space Marines appeared in the midst of the alien swarm. They were all in black and they set about the foe with the very fury of the Emperor himself! They saved us, and the whole damned Imperial line.
— Guardsman Kyod, after the recapturing of Heliad VII +++

Those we left behind were weak. To give in to alien domination is one of the greatest acts of treachery against the Emperor.
— Colonel Schaeffer +++

You were wrong about that just as you were wrong about that earlier. You are not a traitor if you collect aliens, hence I love the Eldar and Tau to. Void_Dragon Human? He is a Necron not a Human, and he openly support Necrons. And only my battle brothers and Emperor himself can call me a Heretic, you must earn that right and privilege.

You forgot "Do not suffer the alien to live."

Alright,people say alien,just as a common term./I always read Xenos.


Calling someone names,even joking,is not nice.Just because he plays Necrons,and likes the name,doesn't mean you can call him an alien.

I could do similar,considering how you are apparently on HOLLY Terra.

If you fought till the last man a sister of battle will await to carry you to the next world. If you ran a commissar with a huge power fist is there to beat your soul back to life to fight again. If you died naturally or a way unrelated to battle then you are pulled into the warp and fed to Cthulhu.

Commissar_Tiberius wrote:If you fought till the last man a sister of battle will await to carry you to the next world. If you ran a commissar with a huge power fist is there to beat your soul back to life to fight again. If you died naturally or a way unrelated to battle then you are pulled into the warp and fed to Cthulhu.

Would that possibly be pulled out of Norse mythology? I like it.


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And regarding the Imperials, IIRC they believe that the God-Emperor will preserve their souls, though being a false religion and being a notion of actual hope in a pretty gakky galaxy of 40k, it is of course a lie.

Deathly Angel wrote:

Commissar_Tiberius wrote:If you fought till the last man a sister of battle will await to carry you to the next world. If you ran a commissar with a huge power fist is there to beat your soul back to life to fight again. If you died naturally or a way unrelated to battle then you are pulled into the warp and fed to Cthulhu.

Would that possibly be pulled out of Norse mythology? I like it.


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And regarding the Imperials, IIRC they believe that the God-Emperor will preserve their souls, though being a false religion and being a notion of actual hope in a pretty gakky galaxy of 40k, it is of course a lie.

more like the Mayan/aztec mythology

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Deathly Angel wrote:

Commissar_Tiberius wrote:If you fought till the last man a sister of battle will await to carry you to the next world. If you ran a commissar with a huge power fist is there to beat your soul back to life to fight again. If you died naturally or a way unrelated to battle then you are pulled into the warp and fed to Cthulhu.

Would that possibly be pulled out of Norse mythology? I like it.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And regarding the Imperials, IIRC they believe that the God-Emperor will preserve their souls, though being a false religion and being a notion of actual hope in a pretty gakky galaxy of 40k, it is of course a lie.

more like the Mayan/aztec mythology

The Norse believed that Valkeries would carry warriors slain in battle to heaven until Ragnarock, and if one died a death outside of battle then he would actually go to hell. Not sure which aspect of Mesoamerican myth you're referring to though.

This thread is so derailed. Its kinda hilarious.

Also, Coa gets bonus internets for quoting and entire page to prove a point. That was godlike.

Many marines believe that when they die they will join the Emperor's side for the final battle against Chaos.

Whilst I'm aware that the daemons's codex makes some very specific assertions about the fate of human souls (indeed presumably those of all sapients) it's worth noting that the book contradicts a large volume of previously-established (and, frankly, more interesting and better-written) background about the nature of Chaos and the warp.

Warhammer 40,000's metaphysics are (apparently) contradictory, convoluted and incompletely explored - among other things, there's no real clarity as to whether the Emperor really is a 'god' (whatever that means in a science fiction setting) capable of judging the souls of the dead. The apparent effectiveness of faith-based powers in the fluff and on the tabletop suggests that he is more than merely a god in the sense of something worshipped. According to a (very) old bit of fluff in one of the Ork books, he has a conscious presence in the warp, and is viewed by Gork and Mork in the same manner as themselves and the powers of Chaos.

We are, however, unlikely ever to get a concrete answer to this. Certainly devout followers of the Imperial cult seem to believe that their souls will go to the Emperor and be spared the 'hell' (very loosely-speaking) of the Ruinous Powers. One wonders whether the Space Marines (particularly those of traditionalist chapters who venerate but do not worship the Emperor and still believe in some vestige of the Imperial truth) believe likewise, or that, as an empirically-minded man does, death is simply an end.

Commissar_Tiberius wrote:If you fought till the last man a sister of battle will await to carry you to the next world

Woof, (panting)

Commissar_Tiberius wrote:If you ran a commissar with a huge power fist is there to beat your soul back to life to fight again

Sweet, because you are dead, it wouldn't hurt.

Commissar_Tiberius wrote: If you died naturally or a way unrelated to battle then you are pulled into the warp and fed to Cthulhu.

That sucks.

The exact belief of what happens to people after they die is likely as varied as their religion - which can differ a lot from world to world, in spite of the Ministorum's effort to tie everything together. In part, this is also because of the Ministorum, as instead of simply replacing a native faith with a uniform Imperial Creed it is the work of the Orders Sabine and the Missionarius Galaxia to undermine and slowly twist it into making locals believe the Emperor was their god all along. This approach naturally preserves a great deal of deviant traditions and rituals, and post-mortem theorems will vary accordingly.

The official line of the Ministorum is indeed that people's souls go to the Emperor - this is what the Holy Synod of Terra and the various Sub-Adepta of the Imperial Cult agree on and what they seem to teach their members. However, local variants of the Imperial faith can differ from this depending on how the Emperor is seen, and the exact "method of ascension" is likely affected by this as well.

Take Tiberius' example of a Sister Militant acting as a Valkyrie of sorts, for example. Whilst never mentioned in studio canon, the idea that somewhere in the Imperium there is a planet whose people believe this is is entirely plausible, for the Battle Sisters are rarer still than even the Space Marines and as such there will be many worlds where their very existence is shrouded in mystery bordering legend, which can easily lead to a lot of "funny" assumptions simply because people lack experience with the real deal. Another example for this would be people honestly believing the Sisters would eat men (only mentioned in a BL novel, but quite possible due to the aforementioned reasons).

Void__Dragon wrote:They believe their soul goes to the Emperor.

In reality, it goes to the Warp, to drift mindlessly, or be eaten by some Daemon or the Gods.

That's what Chaos wants you to think, yes. But chaos lies about many things.

Melissia wrote:That's what Chaos wants you to think, yes. But chaos lies about many things.

The Imperium lies more.

I also wasn't aware the Eldar codex was from Chaos' point of view.

*Opens topic*

*Head explodes*

There's some stuff about dead astartes going to join the emperor for the big final "ragnarok" style battle at the end of the universe, especially from the SW and GK's, IIRC.

*Cracks fingers*

Okay, so I think it's been established that the Imperium endorses faith in the Emperor of Man, and that thier souls will be entrusted to His light after death.

In all of this, let's not forget the Astronomican which is an extremely potent Warp force (having been able to help navigators of all species, most notably the Imperial Navy and the Tyranids). This Warp force may, in fact, be leading souls back to Holy Terra.

However, the Warp is a dangerous place and the Astronomican is not fool-proof. So, while we may not know the complete truth, it can probably be definitively stated that the Warp is a destination for souls, and that the Astronomican may be seen as a beacon.

I base that last statement upon the ending of the book Imperial Glory, in which (without giving away too many spoilers) souls are seen briefly, but descriptively, "marching into the Emperor's light". It may very well be that another war is raging beyond life within the Warp, which could be the source of Warp storms, but now I'm just getting hypothetical.

*heavy sigh*

They beleieve their souls unite with The Emperor, and they probably do.

Thanks a lot to those who answered me!

So many flames! Burns department is gonna have it's hands full...

Aren't they part of the thousand souls quota the emperor needs to keep his juice going everyday?