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I've heard that some armies are more expensive to collect than others; wich ones are that? I've also heard that for some reason IG are, do you know why that is?

Sisters of Battle are extremely expensive to collect.

Green tide orks are expensive, unless you just get AoBR orks on ebay....

Imperial Guard are hugely expensive, especially if you go with anything other than Cadians or Catachans

Nurgle/Tzeentch Daemon armies, Orks, and Sisters also tend to be very expensive.

Sister because of the metal models but, other than them I would say green tide Orks or endless swarm Tryanids. Endless swarm always costs a bomb and you can make green tide cheaper through the assault on black reach minis.

Vaktathi wrote:Imperial Guard are hugely expensive, especially if you go with anything other than Cadians or Catachans

The gaps closing though its now £18.50 for 10 Cadian/Catachans and £20.50 for the other old metal ones

Imperial guard (specially if like me you don't play vets)

Necrons

Especially if you want to take any elites

I would vote Eldar as being overly expensive, especially if you go with a jetbike seer council. There isn't a specific model for it, so if you want to do it politically correct, you need to buy the farseer and as many warlocks as you plan on using (Usually between 6-8). Farseers are around $15 dollars right now I believe, with warlocks at 11ish. Then, you need to buy your 7-9 jetbikes (each at $15)

That adds up to just shy of a 200 USD for a single HQ choice. Ouch. And that's not even getting fancy with it.

Amanax wrote:I would vote Eldar as being overly expensive, especially if you go with a jetbike seer council. There isn't a specific model for it, so if you want to do it politically correct, you need to buy the farseer and as many warlocks as you plan on using (Usually between 6-8). Farseers are around $15 dollars right now I believe, with warlocks at 11ish. Then, you need to buy your 7-9 jetbikes (each at $15)

That adds up to just shy of a 200 USD for a single HQ choice. Ouch. And that's not even getting fancy with it.

You don't have to do that, you can just buy the bikes, then add some weapons and heads and maybe a cape with greenstuff. I'm planning on making one for my army, and I worked it out at around £60 ($90 ish). That's taking into account that I already have all the swords though (from Avenger sprues) Still not cheap though!

I'll agree that Eldar, partically Saim-Hann are really expensive, £7.50 for one 22 point troop unit? I have 2 big squads of them, and a huge hole in my wallet :p

Sisters then IG.

In general, probably Sisters of Battle.

For a 10 woman squad with a squad leader, a special weapon, and a heavy weapon, it's over 90 dollars CDN before taxes. That's your basic troops choice. You can cut it to a couple of bucks under 90 CDN if you switch out the heavy weapon for a special weapon, but it's not a huge savings per unit - though over an entire army, it could be, especially at higher points values. [Oh, and that's going with the rough estimate of 7 dollars for a basic Sister with Bolter. You buy them in blisters of 3 for 20.75 CDN. These squads cost about 160-200 points, depending on how you gear them.

Dominions and Retributors depend on which way you go with them. I've heard the realistic choices for Dominions are 2 meltas in a 5 woman unit, which costs a little over 50 CDN for the squad, and 4 flamers in a 10 woman unit, which costs around 100 dollars for the squad. I don't know the points values for Dominions off the top of my head. For retributors, a basic squad of 4 heavy bolters plus a squad leader, the cost is around 80 CDN, for a squad that costs about 85 points or something like that.

Exorcists, which are apparently our go-to choice for Heavy Support, cost 70 CDN each for something that costs around 140 points before upgrades - don't quote me on the points value, I've only proxied the things up to this point.

Seraphim cost about 15 dollars each, and apparently the way to go with them is a maxed-size squad with two handflamers, bringing the monetary cost to just over 150 CDN for a single unit. Don't know the new points cost for such a unit by heart yet.

For HQ, we have the choice between the lovely Saint Celestine at 30 CDN for just over 100 points, and our other good choice these days is Uriah Jacobus - I think - with a nice, big battle conclave of Death-Cult Assassins and maybe a few Crusaders for absorbing damage. Jacobus himself is about 20 dollars and costs less points than Celestine. Assuming a unit of 6 Assassins and 3 Crusaders, you'd be looking to spend another 90 dollars on the DCAs and crusaders.

Apparently our elites suck, so I won't mention them except to say Repentia are fairly light on the wallet, at a squad size of 4-9 +1, for an upper cost of 70 CDN for the whole unit - and they can't take a transport.

Despite hearing how the current meta is about mechanizing one's force, I've so far neglected to give any unit a transport in their points or monetary costs. Transports are another 40 CDN per unit - we use the Immolator kit, hopefully, which allows us to make a vehicle that can easily switch between Sisters of Battle-themed Rhino, and Immolator - think Razorback. So our transports are reasonably priced compared to everyone else's.

Dominions MUST take transports - literally, it's written in the rules that they must have a transport. Battle Sisters, apparently transports help a lot. Jacobus and his posse would be grateful for a transport. Retributors CAN take one, but they wouldn't be in it ever.

So a decent army list would have a mix of things, to deal with multiple threats. Let's take Jacobus and his buddies as a counter-charge unit - it's 40k, close combat just happens - Celestine to draw some fire - she's pretty cheap and might do a little damage in the process - 3 squads of Battle Sisters for holding objectives, 2 Exorcists for long-range tank-killing, a squad of Retributors with heavy bolters, 2 squads of Dominions, one with meltas, one with flamers, and a squad of Seraphim with 2 hand flamers. We'll give the Battle Sisters Squads, Jacobus and friends, and Dominions transports. I think I saw an army list like this recently on Dakka.

Let's total that 1850-2000 point list up:

Jacobus + Posse = 110 CDN
Celestine = 30 CDN
3x BSS = 270 CDN
2x Exorcist = 140 CDN
Retributors = 80 CDN
2x Dominions = 150 CDN
Seraphim = 150 CDN
6x Transport = 240 CDN

Subtotal = approx. 1170 CDN

So we're looking at about 1 dollar spent per 2 points, probably more. Taxes won't help that at all, since they'll tack on some more.

It's approximately the point to dollar efficiency of an Imperial Guard Infantry Platoon's Infantry Squad, but for the entire army overall.

p14tinum wrote:

Amanax wrote:I would vote Eldar as being overly expensive, especially if you go with a jetbike seer council. There isn't a specific model for it, so if you want to do it politically correct, you need to buy the farseer and as many warlocks as you plan on using (Usually between 6-8). Farseers are around $15 dollars right now I believe, with warlocks at 11ish. Then, you need to buy your 7-9 jetbikes (each at $15)

That adds up to just shy of a 200 USD for a single HQ choice. Ouch. And that's not even getting fancy with it.

You don't have to do that, you can just buy the bikes, then add some weapons and heads and maybe a cape with greenstuff. I'm planning on making one for my army, and I worked it out at around £60 ($90 ish). That's taking into account that I already have all the swords though (from Avenger sprues) Still not cheap though!

I'll agree that Eldar, partically Saim-Hann are really expensive, £7.50 for one 22 point troop unit? I have 2 big squads of them, and a huge hole in my wallet :p

There are many ways to get around that price, I was just talking about the "Politically correct" way. Aka, GW ripping a new anus in your wallet and telling you to convert it out of parts supplied. <_<

I know I didn't do it that way, but I do know people who did and stopped playing Eldar because things were getting too out of hand money wise. =/

IG due to the emphasis on vehicles and artillery.

.. I would say Squats are probably the most expensive army these days

After that, an all Elysian or Death Korps of Krieg FW IG army.

DKOK IG

y0disisray wrote:DKOK IG

I think we should discount Forgeworld from this because that automatically trumps just about anything. That army is worth the firstborn you have to give them though.

DKOK are the only IG look I like, so I'll agree with Brother SRM on that being worthy of the firstborn. Man, they look badass. But I think it's safe to say that discounting armies pretty much worthless due to cost and rules (SOB), horde armies in general are the most expensive. Not to say just guard, because you can tank it up, or Nids with Nidzilla, but rather horde in general where you can spend $100+ on a single unit. Now THAT'S expensive. Also, a maxed out point cost BA army will also be expensive-180 DC, plus ugrades, plus all other units...pretty expensive.

Well, a maxed out FOC army of anything will be wicked expensive, with IG probably being most expensive since you can cram around 100 men and half a dozen Chimeras into every infantry platoon.

Also, post #7000. Yippeeee

Brother SRM wrote:Well, a maxed out FOC army of anything will be wicked expensive, with IG probably being most expensive since you can cram around 100 men and half a dozen Chimeras into every infantry platoon.

Also, post #7000. Yippeeee

Hmm....

5 Infantry Squads - 175 CDN
1 Platoon Command Squad - 30 CDN
5 Heavy Weapons Squads - 230 CDN
2 Special Weapons Squads - 35 CDN (going cheap and going with flamer squads made from leftover parts from the other kits)
50 Conscripts - 175 CDN
6 Commissars - 96 CDN
6 Chimeras - 252 CDN

The look on your opponent's face when you say, "And my OTHER Troops choice" after plopping down 138 models . . . Priceless.

If you play a traditional Death Wing army, whic is terminators, Dreads, and Land Raiders even a small force is expensive. Termies are $50 a squad, dreads $44.50 and LR are now $66. Fore even a small army with a model to make into Belial , two troops, one raider, and one dread you are looking at about $230.5 plus tax. Thats a lot of money for only around 1000 points, and its not even Forge World.

Mr. S Baldrick wrote:If you play a traditional Death Wing army, whic is terminators, Dreads, and Land Raiders even a small force is expensive. Termies are $50 a squad, dreads $44.50 and LR are now $66. Fore even a small army with a model to make into Belial , two troops, one raider, and one dread you are looking at about $230.5 plus tax. Thats a lot of money for only around 1000 points, and its not even Forge World.

I would agree, but getting any of that stuff used makes it a lot cheaper. I've seen basic Terminators as cheap as $25 for 15 of them on ebay, and Dreads from AoBR at $10-$15 as well. Land Raiders are harder to get a discount on.

Assault Terminators are still more expensive (or you can buy bits to convert them), but Death Wing is probably one of the more affordable armies. If you are discount shopping, vehicles are expensive (rarely more than 30% off retail), but it's common to get regular infantry bodies at 70-80% off retail.

If you don't use AOBR stuff, orks easily. If AOBR didn't exist, I doubt there would be so many green tides, as they would cost a heap to put together. That is about £50 for one troop choice, and you will need about 3, so it gets pricey fast.

I play Orks and run Wagon Rush list with 3 extra Wartrukks filled with up to the brim with Boyz and i tell you. That is not a cheap list. . But fun thou!

And with extra units on the side as Kommando's or other nice usable units the money run up pretty fast. So i say Orks just be course i know how poor i am... Dam you Ork! But i love youuuu!<3

A dark Eldar Coven is pretty up there.

If you do a roughly 2000-2500pt list:
6x Haemonc - £10.50 x6 = £63
12x Grots - £12.50 x12 = £150
60x Wracks - £20.50 x12 = £246
2x Talos - £28 x2 = £56

So that's £515.
Which works out at an average of £6-7 a model.

If you want transports:
9x Raider - £20.50 x9 = £184.5

Which makes £699.5.

On a side note, a full beast pack is over £200 on its own.

+1 for IG and footslogging Orks.

Orks are definitely up there. A full sqaud of 30 will run you for 100$, and you only get 200 points out of it.

Grey knights are way to-much.

Eldar FOC maxed out, money wise. Prices at retail. And all WYSISYG. Some conversion required.

HQ

Farseer, 10 Warlocks, 11 Jetbikes = $290
Farseer, 10 Warlocks, 11 Jetbikes = $290

Troops

10 Wraithguard, 1 Warlock = $366
10 Wraithguard, 1 Warlock = $366
10 Wraithguard, 1 Warlock = $366
10 Wraithguard, 1 Warlock = $366
10 Wraithguard, 1 Warlock = $366
10 Wraithguard, 1 Warlock = $366

Elites

9 Harlequins with Kiss, 1 Shadowseer = $82
9 Harlequins with Kiss, 1 Shadowseer = $82
9 Harlequins with Kiss, 1 Shadowseer = $82

Fast Attack

3 Vypers = 90
3 Vypers = 90
3 Vypers = 90

Heavy Support

3 x War Walkers with Dual weapons = $96.60
3 x War Walkers with Dual weapons = $96.60
3 x War Walkers with Dual weapons = $96.60

1 Codex = $33

Total price = $3596.80

You just happened to choose the most expensive models though. The eldar actually have some reasonably priced models.