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Fluff wise how strong is Abaddon the Despoiler is he weaker or stronger in the fluff then in the rules?

Stronger. Much stronger.

It's hard to say.

I can't actually think of anyone he's fought in the fluff except for Eldrad, who supposedly beat him in an issue of White Dwarf.

Calling onto the fluff makes the characters -much- more powerful.

I honestly haven't read any books with Abbadon in them, and I've read a lot of books. Not including the Horus Heresy series, anyways.

In the fluff, he could probably take on anyone short of Draigo or a Primarch

He was the most powerful of Horus' four elite Luna Wolves. He retrieved Horus' body with a small raid and then rebuilt the shattered remains of the Black Legion. The got a powerful Daemon Sword, and most importantly, never in the fluff do you hear of him deciding to smack himself in the face with it. So, definitely more powerful in the fluff.

Don't forget he also has Horus's lightning claw too so he is a bad mother. Plus the LW joke that he was too big for his regular armor which is why he only wears he terminater armor

If I remember correctly he's supposed to be about the strength of a Daemon Primarch, considering that he's favored by all 4 Chaos Gods and they've offered him Daemonhood 12 times (probably 13 now). So yeah, he's more powerful in the fluff.

Coolyo294 wrote:Stronger. Much stronger.

Then again so is EVERYONE (balance issues and all).

in the fluff his daemon sword can destroy a landraider just by touching it right?

Abaddon the Spoiled

He have Terminator armor + power of Chaos undivided.
He is strong all right, but he is not good tactician at all.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I honestly haven't read any books with Abbadon in them, and I've read a lot of books. Not including the Horus Heresy series, anyways.

Then clearly you skipped the first three at least (that's how far I've gotten... and he's in all of them )

Brother Coa wrote:but he is not good tactician at all.

Really? Do you have any proof for this? Other than the fact that he's only broken the Cadian Gate on the 13th Black Crusade?

Henners91 wrote:Then clearly you skipped the first three at least (that's how far I've gotten... and he's in all of them )

He did say "Not including the Horus Heresy series, anyways."

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:but he is not good tactician at all.

Really? Do you have any proof for this? Other than the fact that he's only broken the Cadian Gate on the 13th Black Crusade?

12 times before that + he didn't even conquer Cadia at all. And Imperial forces are on the move so...

That's like saying someone is weak because it took them 13 squeezes to crush a diamond in their palm.

Brother Coa wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:but he is not good tactician at all.

Really? Do you have any proof for this? Other than the fact that he's only broken the Cadian Gate on the 13th Black Crusade?

12 times before that + he didn't even conquer Cadia at all. And Imperial forces are on the move so...

Not every black crusade was about breaking trough the cadian gate. Imperial reinforcements might be on the move but the Cadian sector is engulfed in warpstorms and both communications and travel are becoming increasingly difficult. For the moment Abaddon is on the move and the situation for Cadia's defenders looks grim.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:but he is not good tactician at all.

Really? Do you have any proof for this? Other than the fact that he's only broken the Cadian Gate on the 13th Black Crusade?

Henners91 wrote:Then clearly you skipped the first three at least (that's how far I've gotten... and he's in all of them )

He did say "Not including the Horus Heresy series, anyways."

Ahh I misread that... thought he meant not in the Horus Heresy series.

Sorry!

KingDeath wrote:
For the moment Abaddon is on the move and the situation for Cadia's defenders looks grim.

At least they have fleet above their heads that pwn heretics on Cadia.

Brother Coa wrote:

KingDeath wrote:
For the moment Abaddon is on the move and the situation for Cadia's defenders looks grim.

At least they have fleet above their heads that pwn heretics on Cadia.

No, they actually don't. Quarren lost the bulk of his fleet against Abaddon's blackstone fortress (13. black crusade p. 87 ).
While the good admiral achieved his goals and drove off the chaos armada there are no hints that the remains of the imperial fleet
are actually able to tip the balance in that war, especialy not with the Blackstone Fortress and the Planetkiller still at large.

Brother Coa wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:but he is not good tactician at all.

Really? Do you have any proof for this? Other than the fact that he's only broken the Cadian Gate on the 13th Black Crusade?

12 times before that + he didn't even conquer Cadia at all. And Imperial forces are on the move so...

No Crusade before the most recent were meant to break the Cadian Gate, both Abaddon and Ruven say so in Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver respectively. So, really, Abaddon had had one attempt at taking Cadian and he has succeeded.

Harriticus wrote:In the fluff, he could probably take on anyone short of Draigo or a Primarch

As much as Draigo is a hero in his owns terms.

If he went toe to toe with the despoiler he'd get off a little bit worse for the experience...

Perhaps even dead.

One can dream.

Even if his crusades don't suceed he kills millions probably billions, which I'm pretty sure is really impressive compare to other chaos lords.

iproxtaco wrote:No Crusade before the most recent were meant to break the Cadian Gate, both Abaddon and Ruven say so in Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver respectively. So, really, Abaddon had had one attempt at taking Cadian and he has succeeded.

I agree with this. Afterall, even Horus couldn't take the Imperium with a single attack. The Horus Heresy was hundreds of battles; would you consider Istvaan V a failure because it didn't kill the Emperor and conquer all of the Imperium?

Abbadon are probaly with the exception of Kharn one of the most dangerous and powerful beeing out there. And as other have stated, it took him baisicly one try to cut Cadia of from the Emperium, And who knows what he migth be up to in the next Crusade.

iproxtaco wrote:
No Crusade before the most recent were meant to break the Cadian Gate, both Abaddon and Ruven say so in Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver respectively. So, really, Abaddon had had one attempt at taking Cadian and he has succeeded.

Ok for all of that, he even got ground on some few planets in Cadian sector.
But Cadia hasn't fallen, and that was his failure.
But who knows? Maybe Necrons came in aid to the Imperials now


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LoneLictor wrote:would you consider Istvaan V a failure because it didn't kill the Emperor and conquer all of the Imperium?

Yes.
One victory don't mean the war was won.
+ he allowed some elements to escape thus the Emperor knew what happened exactly and had time to prepare a defense.

Abbadon is one bad mutha f**ka, The only other chaos lord after Horus to get all 4 chaos gods working together. To be able to do THAT, you have to be a killing machine of chaos.

And EVERYONE is much stronger in the fluff....

Trondheim wrote:Abbadon are probaly with the exception of Kharn one of the most dangerous and powerful beeing out there. And as other have stated, it took him baisicly one try to cut Cadia of from the Emperium, And who knows what he migth be up to in the next Crusade.

He's certainly one of the most personally powerful Chaos Lords in the galaxy, though I would say some followers of Chaos would rival him in personal strength.

Some Daemon Princes for example are stronger than he is, and Ahriman, while he would be hopeless in a physical battle, is an exceptionally powerful sorcerer.

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
No Crusade before the most recent were meant to break the Cadian Gate, both Abaddon and Ruven say so in Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver respectively. So, really, Abaddon had had one attempt at taking Cadian and he has succeeded.

Ok for all of that, he even got ground on some few planets in Cadian sector.
But Cadia hasn't fallen, and that was his failure.
But who knows? Maybe Necrons came in aid to the Imperials

Your mindless optimism never ceases to amaze me. Cadia is gone. Quarren's fleet is nearly gone, almost the entire surface of Cadia has been taken, and any reinforcements are going to have one hell of a time moving around near the Eye thanks to the Warp Storms. Cadia is gone, Chaos is allowed to move unopposed throughout the system.