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Maybe ogryns are an attempt to create superhumans from adding ork genes to humans for a twisted attemt to create more (yet maybe mellower) beakies!

i know that they just come from high gravity planets and are abhumans but maybe that is what the imperial magistrate wants us to think?!

Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

well exuuuuuse me princess but this is supposed to be a fun "take your mind off of history" attempt to ease the stress of the 41st millenium!

(i dont mean to be rash but geez! way to spoil a persons attempt to have some fun!)

Da Kommizzar wrote:well exuuuuuse me princess

Damn that cartoon was annoying >.<

lol gotta love the attempts to make nintendo cartoons!

Well you asked "was there a chance that the ogryns were not work of gravity but that of the Imperial magistrates?" and i answered you with "no" by giving you real facts. End of discussion.

what i was implying was maybe (just for fun and no matter how ridiculous it sounded) a few people wanted to laugh at eachothers phony alternate universe histories or whatever. so since you replied first, what is your comical suggestion (within reason)

Sorry I did not see that you asked for fun reasons and to have such conversation... You should've posted in the discussion section.

Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

The gravitic pull of the Earth has not significantly changed in the length of human history. From where are these "giants" you're purporting once walked the earth coming from?

i apoligize as well i should have done that but alas i thought since this was kindof a background thing i thought at the spur of the moment that it may go here.

o well that is what i get for being an ork!

(lol my deepest apoligy my kind sir if i sounded too rash in my statements)

is there some way that this topic can be moved there?

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

Non-americans...... So bad at telling fiction from fact... Dude, there were no people like that actually existed like Ogryns... nor did gravity have any major change to it in the past billions of years. Read more? No, read less, and actually get a high school diploma, at least.

lol win (i apologize to those offended) but man he got you there!

Squats were originally intended to be a diversionary bio-weapon. Unfortunately, this worked almost too well, and the Squat homeworld, referred to by the Hive Fleets as "Planet Bonbon", was devoured utterly, before the genetic, bug-killing toxin could be introduced to the populace.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

I wasn't aware there used to be real humans that averaged nearing ten feet or outright ten feet tall who could military press a semi-truck above their heads.

I am thinking (hoping) that he was pulling our legs... at least, I hope we're not going to get into arguments about the existence of Yetis, sasquatch, Nephilim or Kurgen.

I do not know but hey do not hassle the guy, lets talk about the big fellas.

Aren't Ogryns the result of radiation on Terra?

Campbell1004 wrote:Aren't Ogryns the result of radiation on Terra?

Nope. Gravity.

Time, mutation and enviromental effects are some of the causes attributed to mutation. Myself I tend to believe the warp plays more of a role than anything - some mutations get pretty weird. IIRC Dark HEresy they draw distinctions between kinds of mutations (abhumans and mutants.. abhumans get mutated by natural causes and are genetically stable. Mutatns are mostly the result of the warp and genetically unstable.)

In the case of Ogryns, Ratlings and Squats and other abhumans, I would also argue that genetic engineering probably plays a role. There was a short story in Let the Galaxy Burn by Barrington J Bayley where a heavy grav world was inhabited by quadraped abhumans who had been genetically engineered to fit that enviroment. Ogryn, Squat, and Ratlings probably were as well.

As far as I know, the cases IRL of extremely tall humans are things nothing like ogres. There's a limit to how much mass the human body can tolerate before health complications set in - extremely tall (or obese) people push these limits, and the only way around that is to (I suspecT) modify or enhance the body to withstand them. Ogryn may not have been a plan to make superhumans, but they may have been an effort at engineering colonists to survive a hostile enviroment.

Actually there were experiments on Ogryns, and they were called BONE (Biochemical Ogryn Neural Enhancement)

BONE-heads just make an Ogryn smart, though. It's a way to negate their utter insipidity for military purposes. Generally, the sergeant of an Ogryn squad will be a BONE-head.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

Are you trying to reference Neandrathals or what?

TheAngrySquig wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

Are you trying to reference Neandrathals or what?

Neandrathals weren't that big...Well, they were stockier and a bit tougher, but they certainly weren't 10ft tall.

Putting ork dna in humans to make super humans "cause we all know orks are supperior beings" lol

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

Are you trying to reference Neandrathals or what?

Neandrathals weren't that big...Well, they were stockier and a bit tougher, but they certainly weren't 10ft tall.

I know, but maybe he read a Nat Geo article on Neandrathals at the same time as reading the IG codex entry for Ogryns.

I like the fun ideas, but STOP BEATING UP THE POOR SOUL!!!!! It is getting kind of annoying.

I love your comment Remelus!

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

Do you have some real problems against Americans that you havent just gotten from Tv or your nonsensible friends? Becuase if you do, you can take them up with me.

Jollydevil wrote:

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

Do you have some real problems against Americans that you havent just gotten from Tv or your nonsensible friends? Becuase if you do, you can take them up with me.

What is the wanna-be babe desiring to cause trouble too!!!

STOP MESSING WITH THE GUY. THIS IS A FORUM TO EXPRESS YOUR HOBBY WITH EACHOTHER!!!!!!!! NOT TO QUARREL OR SQUABBLE YOU LOUSY GITZ!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS A FORUM TO EXPRESS YOUR HOBBY WITH EACHOTHER!!!!!!!! NOT TO QUARREL OR SQUABBLE YOU LOUSY GITZ!!!!!!!!

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Tau: Because the galaxy needs sentient fish. This is a long-range project of Eldar physiogenesis and genetic manipulation.

One day, in a time yet far, far away, the Eldar will remain as an ancient species in decline. For reasons as-yet-unknown, the Imperium will be forced into alliances with many kinds of xeno species to confront an evil force as-yet undreamt of. The Eldar, with their gifts of foresight, know this, but they do not yet know the name, or even the face, of this enemy, but they have sensed that it will be devious and cruel. So cruel and devious, in fact, that it will be known to use all manner of underhanded tricks, feints, ambushes and similar tactics that put even the Eldar to shame.

Thus, the advancement of the Tau has begun, because, one day in the far, far away future, it will fall to a Tau Naval Commander to save the day by detecting the underhanded ploy of this great, unknown enemy.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:Americans... So bad at history... Dude there were real people like the ogryns... I dont know if that dumb and ugly but that big and strong yes. Read more. So no superhuman projects. Gravity. DNA. As it was back in the days. When those big guys on Earth were walking.

You mean the Nephilium? The ones supposedly created by the union of a fallen angel and a human woman? Those are not that commonly known, although the story of David and Goliath is (Goliath could have been one of them). If that isn't what you mean, them i'm lost.