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I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

I'm in the same boat as you, I've added dwarves to my armies, and they are quite fun to play with. Its a whole different ball game, sometimes it seems to be more general, broad-sweeping strategy than on-the-spot tactics like 40k, but then you'll have a game where stuff changes so drastically due to magic or something similar, and you have to respond quick and its quite fun.
Who do you play in 40k? That might alter how much you enjoy fantasy. If you like almost always having good saves for marines from cover/power armour, the strength modifiers and all that might make you a bit sad to start, but if you stick through, you'll enjoy it all the same

Pretty solid.
Most armies can be comeptitive if that's what interests you.
The game is different for sure but nothing too crazy.
Personally I barely play 40k anymore and just mainly play fantasy.
If you like high armor woc do a great job of being heavily armored fighting machines.
Locally not super crazy many fantasy games since fantasy night is Thursday but I usually get a game or 2 in on the weekend.
The fluff is also pretty awesome so t makes for some good reading.
Best part is you can fully customize your heroes and lords which IMO makes them that much more bad ass.

I picked up fantasy a while ago, and have been having a blast.

I also play 40k, and I'll say this. There are a lot more rules to Fantasy than 40k.

It' s nice that not everyone plays Space marines either.

Overall, the game is a lot more tactical, and things like deployment are even more important than 40k. Things like flanking make a large difference.

Magic is also HUGE in fantasy, compared to 40k Psykers. Magic can turn combats with ease, and turn battles around quite quickly. There is a strategic element as well such as knowing what spells you need to dispel, with limited dice.

There is also a difference in the way turns go. Pretty much the first thing you do is declare charges. So it really changes how you would do things, compared to 40k.

Good luck, and choose an Army you think looks good!

Far Seer wrote:I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

I played 40k exclusively for the past 2 years or so. A few months ago, I tried fantasy and was instantly hooked. I find fantasy a bit more in depth and tactical (but also very random at times) while 40k was too much dropping 8-12 tanks on the table and rolling dice. I sold my 40k stuff and play fantasy now.

Sasori wrote:It' s nice that not everyone plays Space marines either.

No but cowpow is working hard to make everyone play WoC

Anyway, to me it seems fantasy is a lot more diverse than 40k in the armies you meet.
Also being older the game seems to have more older players, so less 12 year old grey knight players to deal with.

HoverBoy wrote:No but cowpow is working hard to make everyone play WoC

I found out its too popular an army lately too :(. I may have to rob a bank and get a 2nd army together . As for the rules to me there's not that much to them, its the game I always knew and loved, and wish 40k was still similar to it as it would encourage non marine armies a lot.
It's certainly a system where each army has its own approach to things, tactics come into it more and overall a lot more balanced, maybe ask some people to let you use their army and have a look at the game with them helping you out with their army?

It is quite popular and who dosnt love ironclad bad asses
Some people like the armor

I could advertise WE

I like using other peoples armies just to see how other people play other armies.

As a tactics and strategy game is is fair-to-middling. The existance of magic, the ludicrously short ranges of shooting, and the superhardcore combat troops who can come out of the wrong side of 20-to-1 odds while surrounded and still be victorious takes a lot away from any nod toward realism. Tactics and strategy do exist, just don't get carried away trying to apply real-world methods to the game.

The minis range from aweome to eh, depending on the army, the age of the design, the manufacturer, and your own personal aesthetic. Overall the minis are pretty good, on the average.

Where WFB really stands out is in its popularity. It is much easier to find an opponent for WFB than for any other non-skirmish fantasy/historical miniature game I am aware of.

I've played 40k for roughly 4-5 years. As Marines. I've recently gotten into the game and I find it a bit more enjoyable.

The only armies that are as nearly popular as marines in 40k are the High Elves and WoC. And even then at my local club it's fairly balanced. I fight mostly Dark Elves. Ogres and Empire. Our 40k scene is half marines and then a quarter imperial guard.

Fantasy settings also appealed to me a lot more then sci-fi. -shrug-

It is however a whole different ballpark then 40k.

Personally I find WFB a lot better than 40k, 40k is VERY simple compared to WFB which I think is more like chess in that its more tactical rather than sticking tanks down and pew pewing everything.

Don't get me wrong 40k is ok for a few quick games but its just not got that challenging element that WFB has.

Far Seer wrote:I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

If you wan't a game where you can shut off most of your brain after the army list was built and just roll montains of dice, then you are going to like WHFB.

As for the availability of oponents it depends on where you live, in some places WHFB has almost gone extinct since 8th edition was released, in others you will have a few people to play against.

PhantomViper wrote:

Far Seer wrote:I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

If you wan't a game where you can shut off most of your brain after the army list was built and just roll montains of dice, then you are going to like WHFB.

As for the availability of oponents it depends on where you live, in some places WHFB has almost gone extinct since 8th edition was released, in others you will have a few people to play against.

I disagree. I think that even poor amies can do well. I often see beastmen and Wood Elves win Tourneys. The movement phase can easily dictate the entire game if you play to that side of things.

Acardia wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Far Seer wrote:I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

If you wan't a game where you can shut off most of your brain after the army list was built and just roll montains of dice, then you are going to like WHFB.

As for the availability of oponents it depends on where you live, in some places WHFB has almost gone extinct since 8th edition was released, in others you will have a few people to play against.

I disagree. I think that even poor amies can do well. I often see beastmen and Wood Elves win Tourneys. The movement phase can easily dictate the entire game if you play to that side of things.

Of course they do, how foolish of me... That is why this list won the last UK Throne of Skulls:

Khalida
Lvl 4 heirophant - Earthing rod
BSB - flaming banner
Lvl 1 - light
89 archers full command 30 wide
2 * warshpinx with fiery roar
Necrosphinx
Casket of souls
2 * Screaming skull catapult
5 horse archers with champ

Now that is a list that takes full advantage of the movement rules and doesn't just scream "buckets of dice!1one". I really like WHFB 8th edition, it is such a FUN and interesting game!

PhantomViper wrote:

Far Seer wrote:I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

If you wan't a game where you can shut off most of your brain after the army list was built and just roll montains of dice, then you are going to like WHFB.

As for the availability of oponents it depends on where you live, in some places WHFB has almost gone extinct since 8th edition was released, in others you will have a few people to play against.

Have you ever played a game of WHFB ??? cause you want brain shut off play leaf blower 40k there's not a list in WHFB that you can just numbly roll dice Leaf blower you can. BTW I play both they both have there merits but yes WHFB is my Choice of the two.

Bluewulf wrote:
Have you ever played a game of WHFB ??? cause you want brain shut off play leaf blower 40k there's not a list in WHFB that you can just numbly roll dice Leaf blower you can. BTW I play both they both have there merits but yes WHFB is my Choice of the two.

I've played WHFB since 1995 wich judging by your post is before you were even born...

As for one such lists (and every other list in WHFB 8th edition), see the post I made before yours. That is a real tactical masterpiece right there...

PhantomViper wrote:

Acardia wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Far Seer wrote:I have been a long player of 40K and occasionally got interested in starting WFB. I know it's older than 40K, but just how fun is it in 8th edition? Are a lot of WFB games available to you at you LGS?

If you wan't a game where you can shut off most of your brain after the army list was built and just roll montains of dice, then you are going to like WHFB.

As for the availability of oponents it depends on where you live, in some places WHFB has almost gone extinct since 8th edition was released, in others you will have a few people to play against.

I disagree. I think that even poor amies can do well. I often see beastmen and Wood Elves win Tourneys. The movement phase can easily dictate the entire game if you play to that side of things.

Of course they do, how foolish of me... That is why this list won the last UK Throne of Skulls:

Khalida
Lvl 4 heirophant - Earthing rod
BSB - flaming banner
Lvl 1 - light
89 archers full command 30 wide
2 * warshpinx with fiery roar
Necrosphinx
Casket of souls
2 * Screaming skull catapult
5 horse archers with champ

Now that is a list that takes full advantage of the movement rules and doesn't just scream "buckets of dice!1one". I really like WHFB 8th edition, it is such a FUN and interesting game!

The funny thing is that list will have all of it's forditude in one unit to make full effect of the benefits. a Single Dwellers has pretty solid chance of breaking the army on turn 1. That's high risk, high reward.

PhantomViper wrote:

Bluewulf wrote:
Have you ever played a game of WHFB ??? cause you want brain shut off play leaf blower 40k there's not a list in WHFB that you can just numbly roll dice Leaf blower you can. BTW I play both they both have there merits but yes WHFB is my Choice of the two.

I've played WHFB since 1995 wich judging by your post is before you were even born...

As for one such lists (and every other list in WHFB 8th edition), see the post I made before yours. That is a real tactical masterpiece right there...

Gosh Oldtimer you right I've only been playing since 1990 please usher in more wisdom to me. LOL any how that one list how many 40k lists are sit a shoot? ..... just courious?

I started Fantasy in 7th edition where things like march blocking, frenzy, terror, and the like mattered. Granted Terror was too overwhelming and large blocks weren't good enough, but 8th edition swung way too far in the other direction. That big awesome beasty GW is trying to sell you? It's lots of fun when it slaming into a wall of Skaven Slaves and just sits there thanks to Steadfast. That's a ton of fun.

For me the game has been mostly reduced pushing big blocks of <insert unit here> into each other while rolling for the highest possible spell you can cast. Judging by the way people have been shelving their armies around here, I'm not the only one. Obviously some places still have plenty of popularity, but long time Fantasy vets have put their toy soldiers away hoping that 9th edition will let them out of the closet again.

Terror was tuned down quite a bit, and to be honest it's alright. Big blocks are hard to chew through, however with your big beastie is something you put in the side to limit attacks on it, and still grind. Bloodletters to the front, thirster and a fiend to the side seems to do the job most of the time.

March blocking is still key as is redirecting. If someone is dead set on running a horde, I am going to promplty take 2 fiends and pin his unit.

I find the magic system far more offputting than the big blocks thing. I can play my way around a giant block, but a kablammo vortex spell or unit eater is something I have to hope I can block or just take to the face, and it's not really much fun for me.

Magic is perfectly random. Which is kind of endearing. No matter what kind of win at all costs list you got. One bad miscast can kill your caster and everyone in a 12 inch radius.

Just about everything has a hard counter. You can design an army to beat something. In fact, I think any listed posted here, as a forum we could devise a counter that would beat it with only sustaining, say 25% casualties a significant portion of the time.

That Khalida army I don't think was some indication of lack of depth, it was an indication they knew what kind of lists usually come to tournaments. Lots of HPA, regenning (life), round template death spells.

If you brought one of those cookie-cutter lists, then you're going to have a tough time. But if you brought something a bit off-kilter, you could have wrecked face. Some of the WoC/DoC spell lists could force Characteristic-or-die on every model in that mega archer pool. That's game over there.

But of course, no one uses those lists. Or not much.

Khalida
Lvl 4 heirophant - Earthing rod
BSB - flaming banner
Lvl 1 - light
89 archers full command 30 wide
2 * warshpinx with fiery roar
Necrosphinx
Casket of souls
2 * Screaming skull catapult
5 horse archers with champ

wow talk about all or nothing. given the number of unit killing spells that are out there this would be easy to kill. barring a unit killing spell, getting even one good killing horde into melee with that archer unit will chew it down in no time.

The owner talked about his list on TWF. It was designed to beat what he believed the ToS meta would be ie 3-block armies. It did. That doesn't make it in anyway a good argument.

Personally I've been playing since '93. IMO this is the most interesting edition yet, but it's spoilt by the laser-guided accuracy of war machines and I'd prefer to have seen a less wacky magic phase. I don't particularly find big blocks an issue.

MY only complaint is the war machine issue which is a good counter for the big baddies. but the abundance of terrain in 8th has prevent either of Fateweaver through 9 ard boyz games, and bloodthirster through about 2 dozen games getting smoked by war machine fire.

how did the cannon/stone thrower rules work before 8th?

The same but players had to "guees" how far the target is (you couldn't mesure freely then).
So basically experienced players with good eyemeasure got it right anyway.

and how was terror different?