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I've been out of touch with dakka and I'm just wondering if there has been any new news or rumors on SoB plastic sets? the last ones I remember reading are the ones from earlier this year, have any more come out sense besides the SoB being updated in white dwarf.

Nothing I've heard about thus far, but if they ever come out I will be all over them. Actually I probably won't, I've got sisters coming out the wazoo, but a plastic exorcist kit would please me to no end.

Nope.

Nothing.

Plastic miniatures for Sisters woudl make the army accessible and maybe even more popular (gasp). Its quite telling when your 2000 point list is 1060.25 dollars US at current prices. Thats quite a hurdle to starting an army IMO.

For those interested the count for my example is:

Uriah
3 Death Cultist blisters
3 Crusaders
9 Battle Sister blisters
10 Meltaguns
3 Simulacrum Imperialis
4 Heavy Bolters
7 Seraphim (cheap ones)
2 Hand Flamer Seraphim
1 Seraphim Superior
6 Sister Superiors (various types, all the same price)
2 Exorcists
7 Immolator boxes
3 Repentia blisters
1 Mistress of Repentance

I seem to be drawn to seldom seen armies and the SoB transitiong into plastic would actualy make me no longer want to collect the army. I'd probably end up doing the same thing to my SoB as I did to my all metal GK's...Selling them.

Ghost21 said they were released in September or he will run naked through Nottingham. Guess he will catch a cold soon
In other words, we don't know when the release will be, but it is likely that many miniatures are done.

Kroothawk wrote:Ghost21 said they were released in September or he will run naked through Nottingham. Guess he will catch a cold soon
In other words, we don't know when the release will be, but it is likely that many miniatures are done.

Its just silly for GW to expect this army to sell when its so expensive to buy. I can buy a 2000 point space marine army for about 400+ dollars less.

andrewm9 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Ghost21 said they were released in September or he will run naked through Nottingham. Guess he will catch a cold soon
In other words, we don't know when the release will be, but it is likely that many miniatures are done.

Its just silly for GW to expect this army to sell when its so expensive to buy. I can buy a 2000 point space marine army for about 400+ dollars less.

Counterpoint: It is just silly for people to buy or sell bottled water. You can buy tap water for practically free. Price is not the only decider in making buying decisions.

As Catyrpelius said above, some people enjoy that it is rare/unusual and purchase accordingly. The same reason that people buy inferior / more expensive products because of their implied rarity / status in the communities in which they exist.

Could GW make more by just making actual new minis? Sure. Are there some things happening behind the scenes that we don't know about? Quite possibly.

The fact that we haven't even gotten any failcast sisters yet is insulting. I mean I will try to find metal over it any day of the week, but GW seems to think it's great. The original old crappy necron lord got a finecast, Ogre Kingdoms is entirely non-metal now. Why can we not even get Uriah or Celestine in resin?


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pretre wrote:Counterpoint: It is just silly for people to buy or sell bottled water.

Unless the water in area I am in has dangerous contaminants or high sulfur content, I subscribe to that view. I honestly have no idea why people buy it, even when they explain why it always sounds snooty, silly, or stupid. But then again I spend money on GW products, so I think that makes me the bigger idiot.

Armless Failure wrote:The fact that we haven't even gotten any failcast sisters yet is insulting. I mean I will try to find metal over it any day of the week, but GW seems to think it's great. The original old crappy necron lord got a finecast, Ogre Kingdoms is entirely non-metal now. Why can we not even get Uriah or Celestine in resin?

Not sure if serious.

So you just decried Finecast for being bad and then questioned why you can't have some too? I think that's called being conflicted.

pretre wrote:Counterpoint: It is just silly for people to buy or sell bottled water.

Unless the water in area I am in has dangerous contaminants or high sulfur content, I subscribe to that view. I honestly have no idea why people buy it, even when they explain why it always sounds snooty, silly, or stupid. But then again I spend money on GW products, so I think that makes me the bigger idiot.

Well, of course, the point is that price is not the sole reason for purchasing motives or a large number of industries would not exist.

pretre wrote:

Armless Failure wrote:The fact that we haven't even gotten any failcast sisters yet is insulting. I mean I will try to find metal over it any day of the week, but GW seems to think it's great. The original old crappy necron lord got a finecast, Ogre Kingdoms is entirely non-metal now. Why can we not even get Uriah or Celestine in resin?

Not sure if serious.

So you just decried Finecast for being bad and then questioned why you can't have some too? I think that's called being conflicted.

I dislike Finecast, this is true. My point, which I muddied with my dislike, is that everyone and there brother is getting new finecasts even if it is the exact same sculpt that they have had in metal forever. Even making one of the special characters finecast as a token would show that they actually care about the army as opposed to the rather common view that it was done merely to rotate out C:WH. Yes I hate Finecast, but since it is the new medium for limited releases it's better than nothing.

pretre wrote:

pretre wrote:Counterpoint: It is just silly for people to buy or sell bottled water.

Unless the water in area I am in has dangerous contaminants or high sulfur content, I subscribe to that view. I honestly have no idea why people buy it, even when they explain why it always sounds snooty, silly, or stupid. But then again I spend money on GW products, so I think that makes me the bigger idiot.

Well, of course, the point is that price is not the sole reason for purchasing motives or a large number of industries would not exist.

Armless Failure wrote:
I dislike Finecast, this is true. My point, which I muddied with my dislike, is that everyone and there brother is getting new finecasts even if it is the exact same sculpt that they have had in metal forever. Even making one of the special characters finecast as a token would show that they actually care about the army as opposed to the rather common view that it was done merely to rotate out C:WH. Yes I hate Finecast, but since it is the new medium for limited releases it's better than nothing.

I think that lack of Finecast (which I happen to like) is a good sign; actually pointing to that plastics are on the table just not "soon". While I agree with Pretre that price is not the sole motivation for buying things, I think in this case it is a significant factor. I have heard many people say I would buy Sisters' models if they weren't metal or were cheaper here, other forums, and offline. That is anecdotal of course, but its what I have witnessed.

I don't think GW has much faith in the sisters. The army never sold when most miniatures were metal, so the cost differential these days is somewhat irrelevant. It actually surprises me that the Sisters haven't gotten the Squat treatment, as they're both hold-overs from the Rogue Trader days that never really gelled with the rest of the canon fluff.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't think GW has much faith in the sisters.

ZING!

The army never sold when most miniatures were metal, so the cost differential these days is somewhat irrelevant.

Citation needed.

It actually surprises me that the Sisters haven't gotten the Squat treatment, as they're both hold-overs from the Rogue Trader days that never really gelled with the rest of the canon fluff.

Umm, you want to elaborate how sisters don't 'gell' with the rest of the canon fluff?

There have been rumours of plastic sisters ever since I first started playing 40K back in 2003 or thereabouts. Eight years later, I am definitely in a "I'll believe it when I see it" frame of mind as regards this rumour.

I used to constantly worry the SoB would go the way of the squats, but it seems to me that they're here to stay albeit in an under-supported manner as ever. Although I must admit that it is their marginalisation that appeals to me -- I gravitate towards obscure armies.

EDIT: Actually, I think it was closer to 2000 or maybe even 1999 when I first started into 40K.

It's actually just "gel". Gelled gets a second L through the bizarre conventions of the English language, lol.

But where to start? They come from a picture used in the original Rogue Trade which showed a Space Nun (wimple and all) in power armor blasting a Space Marine, probably for making some kind of rude comment. Space Marines back in the old RT days were comprised of criminals and psychopaths and other such scum who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated. But, I imagine some of the original personality remained. Guy probably had it coming. Of course, he was one of the Rainbow Warriors. Maybe the Sisters are as intolerant as everyone else, heh. The paragraph of fluff they got in that book made them out to be some kind of Space Internal Affairs, administering genetic tests and such. Kinda like a mini-inquisition.

At some point, however, GW decided to take the hodge-podge of disconnected fluff from Rogue Trader, and make sense out of it with a coherent narrative. Enter the transition to 2nd Edition. Space Marines become super warriors, selected from childhood, implanted with all sorts of cool things, including the Black Carapace. Power Armor becomes incredibly rare, used very little outside the Astartes, and by extremely powerful individuals. Why is this? Because the fluff for Power Armor now says that without a Black Carapace, it doesn't function nearly as well and the suits themselves are difficult to make and maintain. The Sisters, in the mean time, get no such fluff, barely more than few paragraphs and just become the incomprehensibly power armored female semi-equivalent of Space Marines, without any of the things that make Marines. Weaker, less well trained, and more fragile. Seems like where you'd want to concentrate your most valuable resources. Eventually they get a Codex in 2nd Edition, but it's hardly any better. It has a bunch of hodge-podge fluff of its own trying to explain the back story of the Sisters. Including the silly part of the Ecclesiarchy being allowed "no men under arms" being the reasoning for the Sisters. It's also incredibly silly. Form fitting corset power armor, double bolt pistols... Makes trucker hat biker dwarves look downright serious by comparison.

The Squats were eliminated because the guys at GW didn't think they'd done them right, that they were a bit silly, and out of context with the rest of the universe. To me, and I'm sure you hold a contrary position, the Sisters fall into that same trap. Their fluff doesn't make sense. Their whole concept seems pretty ridiculous, and they've never gotten any comprehensive model support. So I wonder why GW keeps them around. There are literally more Squat models than total SoB models. And the Squats more or less ceased to exist around 1992 or so.

Yep, going to end up a difference of opinion. I doubt that there are more Squat models than total SOB models, but go ahead and prove me wrong.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:It's actually just "gel". Gelled gets a second L through the bizarre conventions of the English language, lol.

But where to start? They come from a picture used in the original Rogue Trade which showed a Space Nun (wimple and all) in power armor blasting a Space Marine, probably for making some kind of rude comment. Space Marines back in the old RT days were comprised of criminals and psychopaths and other such scum who had been brainwashed and indoctrinated. But, I imagine some of the original personality remained. Guy probably had it coming. Of course, he was one of the Rainbow Warriors. Maybe the Sisters are as intolerant as everyone else, heh. The paragraph of fluff they got in that book made them out to be some kind of Space Internal Affairs, administering genetic tests and such. Kinda like a mini-inquisition.

At some point, however, GW decided to take the hodge-podge of disconnected fluff from Rogue Trader, and make sense out of it with a coherent narrative. Enter the transition to 2nd Edition. Space Marines become super warriors, selected from childhood, implanted with all sorts of cool things, including the Black Carapace. Power Armor becomes incredibly rare, used very little outside the Astartes, and by extremely powerful individuals. Why is this? Because the fluff for Power Armor now says that without a Black Carapace, it doesn't function nearly as well and the suits themselves are difficult to make and maintain. The Sisters, in the mean time, get no such fluff, barely more than few paragraphs and just become the incomprehensibly power armored female semi-equivalent of Space Marines, without any of the things that make Marines. Weaker, less well trained, and more fragile. Seems like where you'd want to concentrate your most valuable resources. Eventually they get a Codex in 2nd Edition, but it's hardly any better. It has a bunch of hodge-podge fluff of its own trying to explain the back story of the Sisters. Including the silly part of the Ecclesiarchy being allowed "no men under arms" being the reasoning for the Sisters. It's also incredibly silly. Form fitting corset power armor, double bolt pistols... Makes trucker hat biker dwarves look downright serious by comparison.

The Squats were eliminated because the guys at GW didn't think they'd done them right, that they were a bit silly, and out of context with the rest of the universe. To me, and I'm sure you hold a contrary position, the Sisters fall into that same trap. Their fluff doesn't make sense. Their whole concept seems pretty ridiculous, and they've never gotten any comprehensive model support. So I wonder why GW keeps them around. There are literally more Squat models than total SoB models. And the Squats more or less ceased to exist around 1992 or so.

I always thought that the sisters were an amusing bit of fluff, and make as much sense as anything else when it comes to an Ecclesiarchal fighting force. and they fill a mechanics gap of short to mid-range firepower. The miniatures look great, and the army's theme of "nuns with guns" is just too awesome to not continue to exist. Also women are significantly under represented in the far future, especially amongst humans. The SoB are alliteratively an Affirmative Action Army, and that works.

pretre wrote:Yep, going to end up a difference of opinion. I doubt that there are more Squat models than total SOB models, but go ahead and prove me wrong.

Including vehicles, there appear to be approximately 50 Sisters of Battle miniatures.

There are 32 individual squat models on this page of the 1989 Citadel catalog alone.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894201squats.htm
Another 28 here: http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894201squats.htm

Adding the figures from the 1991 catalog:
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2052squatscmd.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2053squats.htm
24 more (with plastic arms): http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894204squats.htm
A box of plastics: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2060squatplastics.htm
more Exo-Armor: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2059squatsexos.htm
Chaos Squats: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2058squatschaos.htm
Squats with Heavy Weapons: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2057squatsheavys.htm
Bikers: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2056squatsbikers.htm

There's some duplication in those additional pages, but you can see my point. This doesn't even include Epic (where the Sisters have no figures), the Mole Mortar, the Thudd Gun, as well as adventurer models and other such.


And let's be realistic. This one dude is harder than the entire Sisters of Battle range.

Yea, squats have more miniatures than Sisters, Necron and Tau.

andrewm9 wrote:Its just silly for GW to expect this army to sell when its so expensive to buy.

Do you really think that a plastic army will be cheaper? Expect 5 Sororitas to cost 26.00 € like with most other ranges.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't think GW has much faith in the sisters. The army never sold when most miniatures were metal, so the cost differential these days is somewhat irrelevant. It actually surprises me that the Sisters haven't gotten the Squat treatment, as they're both hold-overs from the Rogue Trader days that never really gelled with the rest of the canon fluff.

Right, only two things would be more absurd thatn releasing Sororitas: Releasing Grey Knights and Dark Eldar! Wait!

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

pretre wrote:Yep, going to end up a difference of opinion. I doubt that there are more Squat models than total SOB models, but go ahead and prove me wrong.

Including vehicles, there appear to be approximately 50 Sisters of Battle miniatures.

There are 32 individual squat models on this page of the 1989 Citadel catalog alone.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894201squats.htm
Another 28 here: http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894201squats.htm

Those are the same page. So 32.

Adding the figures from the 1991 catalog:
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2052squatscmd.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2053squats.htm

These models are repeats of the ones on the first two links you posted.

24 more (with plastic arms): http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894204squats.htm

There's only 18 on that page.

A box of plastics: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2060squatplastics.htm

4

more Exo-Armor: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2059squatsexos.htm

2 more since one is a repeat.

Chaos Squats: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2058squatschaos.htm

Umm. Not sure if we'll count this one, but 10.

Squats with Heavy Weapons: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2057squatsheavys.htm
Bikers: http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2056squatsbikers.htm

6 and 10

There's some duplication in those additional pages, but you can see my point. This doesn't even include Epic (where the Sisters have no figures), the Mole Mortar, the Thudd Gun, as well as adventurer models and other such.

So about 72, not counting chaos Squats. We'll say 80 to be fair.


Sisters have:
4 Repentia (mistress and 3 sculpts)
Hospitaller
2 Canoness (new and old)
Immo
Rhino
Exo
5 Superiors (with Bolter/HolyS, CS/PP, Bolter/PM,CS/BP, PS/Bolter
Dialogus
2 Seraphim
1 Seraphim with HF
3 Seraphim Sup
2 Penitent Engines
Shrine
Celestine
Uriah
Kyrinov
3 Banners (Blessed Banner, SI, Normal)
Heavies (Flamer, HB, MM)
2 Flamer
2 Meltas
2 Storm Bolters
2 Missionaries
7 Bolter Sculpts
3 Priests
10 Inquisitor Models from C: WH days including Retinue
10+ Redemptionist Sculpts (usable as Sisters models in C: CA and C:WH with Zealot rules)
4 Frateris Sculpts
2 DCA Sculpts
2 Crusader Sculpts
2 Arco Sculpts

80. So pretty close there.


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Oh wait! Old Immolator and Rhino. 82.


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And I don't really count Epic, since it is a different game. Otherwise we could count inquisitor for Sisters.

Kroothawk wrote:Do you really think that a plastic army will be cheaper? Expect 5 Sororitas to cost 26.00 € like with most other ranges.

Considering that 5 Grey Knights with all their weapon options costs 33$, yes 9 (which I find to be comparbale in terms or bling and guns needed). I pay 14$ for a single heavy bolter and 2 for double that. Grey Knights can have 2 psycannons in that 5 model box for 5 dollars more. Meltguns are ~10 dollars each, Sister Superiors 12.25 and list goes on. Seraphim are even more at 12.25 each for the cheap ones. I expect that the saving in terms of all the other models one buys to make an army will be significantly cheaper. My list that I gave above would be 85 dollars cheaper on just the Battle Sister models (50 models) alone not counting a plastic Seraphim kit. If we assume a similar price on those we talking another savings of about 67 dollars for just one unit of 10 Seraphim. I can buy almost 25 more models at those prices on that savings alone.

Not to mention all the extra BITS! That's the true glory of plastic kits.


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To back andrewm9 up here:
5 Sisters right now run you:
2 x 5.25 for Bolters
1 x 12.25 for Sup
1 x 9.9 for Special
1 x 14 for Heavy
$46 new for 5 girls.

I think that the new sisters will be of the 10 in a box variety for about 29-35 (similar to DE), unless they include Seraphim bits in the same box and then they'll be the $33 for 5. Either way? We win.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't think GW has much faith in the sisters. The army never sold when most miniatures were metal, so the cost differential these days is somewhat irrelevant. It actually surprises me that the Sisters haven't gotten the Squat treatment, as they're both hold-overs from the Rogue Trader days that never really gelled with the rest of the canon fluff.

How are SoB a hang over from the RT era seeing as they first got a miniature line and codex at the end of 2nd edition? They were the last army to get a codex before 3rd ed.

pretre wrote:Those are the same page. So 32.

Sorry, mispasted.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894202squats.htm So, 60, just on those two pages.

Your list of Sisters of Battle includes non-Sisters models. Which is especially dishonest because a Witch Hunters army doesn't technically even require any Sisters in it. And I left off the fact that Squat armies could take Imperial vehicles as well. If you're going to give the Rhino as a Sisters of Battle miniature (lol) then it also counts as a Squat miniature too because it was part of the Squat Army list. Could include every Commisar model, and Land Raiders, and Tarantulas... Instead, let's not be daft. The fact is, there are more existing Squats models. The ones I posted weren't all of them, just the easiest and most accessible pictures, and because their number alone is obviously larger than that of the Sisters. And the fact that they had multi-part plastics...


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Howard A Treesong wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't think GW has much faith in the sisters. The army never sold when most miniatures were metal, so the cost differential these days is somewhat irrelevant. It actually surprises me that the Sisters haven't gotten the Squat treatment, as they're both hold-overs from the Rogue Trader days that never really gelled with the rest of the canon fluff.

How are SoB a hang over from the RT era seeing as they first got a miniature line and codex at the end of 2nd edition? They were the last army to get a codex before 3rd ed.

The Sororitas are mentioned in Rogue Trader, and all of their models are loosely based on the picture in that book of a Space Nun. And the Sisters of Battle have an entry in the 40K Black List codex that came with the 2nd Edition boxed set as well as short fluff in the Codex Imperialis. Them finally getting miniatures and a Codex was a result of fans asking for one. Dark Eldar didn't exist back in the old days either, but enough people showed up to GW events with converted armies of them that GW figured they could try and make some money off them.

Sister Sin from Rogue Trader: http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj276/lordhumongous/rainbow.jpg

You can find the entire page with the short paragraph on them if you're industrious enough to Google search Sororitas Rogue Trader. I just don't know if it is kosher to direct link pages from what is GW IP.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Sorry, mispasted.
http://www.solegends.com/citcat89/c894202squats.htm

Your list of Sisters of Battle includes non-Sisters models. Which is especially dishonest because a Witch Hunters army doesn't technically even require any Sisters in it. And I left off the fact that Squat armies could take Imperial vehicles as well. If you're going to give the Rhino as a Sisters of Battle miniature (lol) then it also counts as a Squat miniature too because it was part of the Squat Army list. Could include every Commisar model, and Land Raiders, and Tarantulas... Instead, let's not be daft. The fact is, there are more existing Squats models. The ones I posted weren't all of them, just the easiest and most accessible pictures, and because their number alone is obviously larger than that of the Sisters. And the fact that they had multi-part plastics...

Remove the rhinos then. That's two models. Everything else was Sisters models or C:WH models. And I didn't count Chimera, LR, Storm Troopers, etc. The new link you posted is duplicated by http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2053squats.htm. I also provided an actual count rather than just how many minis were on the page, which is creating mostly duplicates between those catalogs.





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Either way, it is really irrelevant. GW decided that Squats were silly and out of character and that SoB were right for the universe.

I can see you want to be petulant about it, lol. Sorry if I touched a sore spot. I was just proving the point that you asked for. So, to be exactingly specific, the total number of released Squat models and race specific vehicles is greater than the number of females in power armor with fleur de lys symbols and their specifically associated vehicle models.

Honestly, I miss the Squats, but they were also from a bygone day of a sillier 40K universe. My rifle company has a squat in its command squad. At least the sisters get some kind of basic support. Mostly they get to be slaughtered or sacrificed to Chaos in fluff, but hey, at least they didn't get inexplicably eaten by Tyranids off screen.

To the original "Multi-melta on a Rhino" crew:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I can see you want to be petulant about it, lol. Sorry if I touched a sore spot. I was just proving the point that you asked for. So, to be exactingly specific, the total number of released Squat models and race specific vehicles is greater than the number of females in power armor with fleur de lys symbols and their specifically associated vehicle models.

Well sure. If we limit it like that, you're going to have more models. But that still excludes SOB specific models (ecclesiarchy, repentia, etc).

I'm sorry that your army of choice got squatted (too soon?). I guess quantity of models didn't equal quality of army.