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Just as the title says, if it came down to one model, IDC, Vehicle, hero...who could take on any one other model and reliably win (dependent of dice of course)

This using normal combat, as if deploying a whole game to solve this question I.E. two named units fight it out as if an annihilation match with DS from reserve and so forth.

Start us off.

i would have to say either Vindicar assassin or Reg LR

there is a rather short list of competitors.

Mephiston
Greater Demons
Draigo

Who else belongs on this list?

For 275 points i don't find Draigo that scary on his own....
It's his synergy with the pally's that make him so good.

Eldar Phantom Titan.

yea but Drago and Greater Daemons still have to make it through ranged fire, and Drago vs a LR the LR can move away 12" and keep fireing till hes dead.

If the Greater Daemon has Demonic flight then that equals it out.


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Titans don't count, codexs only...how do you play a game with one of thos anyway?

Well on the charge Ragnar is tough. He'd do well!

You didnt specify standard codex only :p just any unit.

And you play a game with them relatibely easily. Takes up foc space, moves, shoots and assaults each turn etc, there's rules in the apoc and IA books.

Armless Failure wrote:there is a rather short list of competitors.

Mephiston
Greater Demons
Draigo

Who else belongs on this list?

Um? Mephiston is not a competitor. If you want a challenger from BA, take the Sanguinor.

Ghaz on a WAAGH is pretty much unstoppable too.

Calgar generally can beat Draigo if he gets the charge.

O ok i didnt know the rules were in the exp. everyone i have seen are about the size of the table


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i still say the Vindacar Assassin would win vs a non jump inf.

Aun'va hands down.

Nevermind. I missed the 1 model bit.

I thought it was only one model?

If it's one unit, 30 Blood Angel Death Company with Jump Packs, Lemartes and fully kitted with whatever you might need in abundance (Powerfists, Meltas, Powerweapons, etc..) would be my bet.

Ah. I fail at reading.

It was one model. I disqualify my entry and hang my head in shame.

Aun'va? the Ethereal? your joking right?

I am talking about any one model, one BT term vs say, the Daemon Sleeneesh Grater Daemons he would get thrown around and played with like a sock puppet.

How about Skarband the psycho thister or Vect is crazy in close combat.

Ghazghkull Thraka is the gak.

If I had to pick one guy, Mephiston. He can use Wings of Sanguinius to close, and once in assault he can use transfixing gaze to get rerolls on all to hit and to wound rolls, Sanguine Sword to get str 10 attacks (which is plenty enough to eat LRs), and still have 1 psychic power use left to activate his force sword on you. He strikes at Initiative 7 meaning he's probably going before anyone else. WS 7 plus rerolls means lots of hits, Str 6 plus rerolls means lots of wounds. His High probability of passing a Psychic test means that he will likely ID his target with the force weapon (if not just Str 10).

On the survival side: 2+, T6, 5 wounds, and FNP. No weapon out there will ID him, and anything that allows a save will be made. The Psychic hood serves a a protection from opposing force weapons. His lack of Invulnerable save is his only weak point.

Honestly anything fast with High Init and a force weapon has a good shot, but Meph's str 10 will wreck LR and Monoliths hard.

the problem with Daemons being the best is there's a GK counter for everyone of them...what about that CSM abomination, Abadon or whatever his name is?

Swarmlord to

Armless Failure wrote:If I had to pick one guy, Mephiston. He can use Wings of Sanguinius to close, and once in assault he can use transfixing gaze to get rerolls on all to hit and to wound rolls, Sanguine Sword to get str 10 attacks, and still have 1 psychic power use left to activate his force sword on you. He strikes at Initiative 7 meaning he's probably going before anyone else. WS 7 plus rerolls means lots of hits, Str 6 plus rerolls means lots of wounds. His High probability of passing a Psychic test means that he will likely ID his target.

On the survival side: 2+, T6, and FNP. No weapon out there will ID him, and anything that allows a save will be made. The Psychic hood serves a a protection from opposing force weapons. His lack of Invulnerable save is his only weak point.

Honestly anything fast with High Init and a force weapon has a good shot, but Meph's str 10 will wreck LR and Monoliths hard.

Anything with Eternal Warrior will just wait for him though. Against the likes of Draigo, Calgar, Ghaz or Abaddon, he'll just run into a wall and die. Sanguinor also eats him for breakfast.

shadeyaces wrote:Swarmlord to

AGREED!!!

I say Skulltaker on a chariot.

He can literally wound everything with just shy of Meph stats.

I'm going have to second the swarmlord in this.nothing could match him in cc and wouldn't did from shooting either.

Zweischneid wrote:Anything with Eternal Warrior will just wait for him though. Against the likes of Draigo, Calgar, Ghaz or Abaddon, he'll just run into a wall and die. Sanguinor also eats him for breakfast.

Their still sucking down 4-5 str 10 attacks with rerolls to hit and wound. He may not get them on his charge, but he has a high probability of surviving the return strikes.

Saint Celestian hands down no question. coming back from death over and over again will outlast pretty much anyone else. also vect on the dias of destruction would be a condender if dias is allowed.

I would say a Fire Prism that's fully upgraded in regular 40k. It can outrun anything so you won't ever catch in CC, holofields are annoying as usual and the gun is well suited for taking out tanks and infantry alike while outranging most others (like guys with melta etc.).

dumplingman wrote:Saint Celestian hands down no question. coming back from death over and over again will outlast pretty much anyone else. also vect on the dias of destruction would be a condender if dias is allowed.

I am pretty sure that the game is over when all your models are dead. If celestine were merely put on her side, it would be a different story.

if equipped with a dias of destruction can vec leave it (like a transport), or is it more like a bike?

Armless Failure wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Anything with Eternal Warrior will just wait for him though. Against the likes of Draigo, Calgar, Ghaz or Abaddon, he'll just run into a wall and die. Sanguinor also eats him for breakfast.

Their still sucking down 4-5 str 10 attacks with rerolls to hit and wound. He may not get them on his charge, but he has a high probability of surviving the return strikes.

Not really. Try to play it through.

Say he fights against Calgar. Even assuming he gets off all his powers every time, he'll inflict maybe (too lazy for Mathhammer) 4 wounds each turn, of which Calgar save half. Calgar in return will inflict 4 wounds each turn (he gets all those nifty re-rolls too) but Mephiston will save none in return (no Inv. save). And if Calgar can snipe him ahead of time with an Orbit. Bomb or his AP2 Bolters, he'll even starts with an edge. Time plays against Mephy. Put him against Ghaz with a 2++, and Mephs starting to look fairly out of his depth.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mephiston is a great buy in a regular game, especially since he gets a 100 pt. Psychic Hood that none of other combat-monster-characters get, so his utility is unmatched. But 1 vs. 1, there's simply bigger fish out there than Mephiston.