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A Wraithlord with brightlance could do well versus alot of these things (not sure about alot of the Special Chars stats versus it.) the big thing is, with a bright lance it could kite around anything melee that would kill it, and with Dreadnought CC weapons, double str on T5 or lower, Toughness 8! and 4 wounds. its a beast.

Straight up charge and fight i'd go with Swarmlord.

Yeah, Vect is a realistic contender for this, triply-so if the dias is involved.

Zweischneid wrote:Not really. Try to play it through.

Say he fights against Calgar. Even assuming he gets off all his powers every time, he'll inflict maybe (too lazy for Mathhammer) 4 wounds each turn, of which Calgar save half. Calgar in return will inflict 4 wounds each turn (he gets all those nifty re-rolls too) but Mephiston will save none in return (no Inv. save). Time plays against Mephy. Put him against Ghaz with a 2++, and Mephs starting to look fairly out of his depth.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mephiston is a great buy in a regular game, especially since he gets a 100 pt. Psychic Hood that none of other combat-monster-characters get, so his utility is unmatched. But 1 vs. 1, there's simply bigger fish out there than Mephiston.

Assuming that tanks are a thing in these competitions, he is better at wreaking them than most of the other guys listed. He is also faster than any other option presented thus far, meaning he gets to pick his moment to attack. And the Psychic hood keeps Eldrad and any other psykers from having their way, and he has much better base stats, equipment, and special rules outside of pychic powers than any other psysker (possibly barring a greater daemon of Tzeentch).

Ghaz's 2++ only lasts for one round and has to be called during his Shooting phase. Since Ghaz is incredibly slow, Meph gets to choose when combat starts, and therefore he will get at least one round of attacks unmolested. And since activating his force weapon is useless he can pop unleash rage and hit of 3+ reguardless of WS. He can pull this on Calgar too, or any other high WS eternal warrior. The only, and I mean only reason to doubt him is lack of any sort of invulnerable save (which is key in this competition, since everyone and their brother has power weapons).

Mathhammer on rerolled attacks that hit on 3+. ~11% chance to miss. With rerolls to wound assuming str 10 wounds almost everything on 2+ only fails to wound 3% of the time. That means it is likely that 4 of his 5 attacks on a charge will wound. This is where invulnerable saves come in, assuming 4+ (calgar and anything else with an Iron Halo or Rosarius). He's still likely to get 2 through. If the return attack does deal 5 wounds against T6 he will get to attack again, and will get just shy of 2 wounds through (probabilistically speaking he's slightly more likely to get 2 than 1). Calgar has 4 wounds, Ghaz has 4 wounds. He has a 50/50 shot against either of them, assuming he doesn't use his plasma pistol before the charge, or it misses but doesn't wound him. Considering it hit on a 2+ at Str 7, I would say that it slightly tilts the odds against ghaz and calgar. Don't know enough stats on other special characters to say, but Calgar and Ghaz are pretty good. I don't know failbaddon.

We can pretty much ignore everyone's armor save for this thought experiment. I can't think of any serious entry to this competition that doesn't have either a power weapon, power fist, or gun with ap 1 or 2.


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Karnac wrote:A Wraithlord with brightlance could do well versus alot of these things (not sure about alot of the Special Chars stats versus it.) the big thing is, with a bright lance it could kite around anything melee that would kill it, and with Dreadnought CC weapons, double str on T5 or lower, Toughness 8! and 4 wounds. its a beast.

Straight up charge and fight i'd go with Swarmlord.

Anything with a jump pack wreaks your plan, provided T6 or EW. Mephiston breaks it's wraithbone form over his knee like a stick (T6 + force weapon + Jump Pack). Leman Russ Exterminator and LR could probably break it. Calgar would live long enough to box it into a corner, though I am not sure about it taking dreadnought CCW. Eldars best chances are likely Eldrad or a kitted out fire prism.



I really don't see the Sanguinor being so hot. It can't break vehicles, has no ranged attack, only 3 wounds, ect. I see it being okay, but I would take Dante over this, for the purposes of this competition. Meph is easily the best option from the BA.

Thunder wolflord w/ss and FW w/ saga of the bear.

Bluewulf wrote:Thunder wolflord w/ss and FW w/ saga of the bear.

I think you mis-abbreviated Wolf Claw as FW.

A blood angels Stormraven would have a good shot at killing pretty much anyone and surviving.

Kit it out with an assault cannon and a Multi-Melta, and you are good to go.

Gretchin /w slugga and cybork.

Brotherhood Champion. Yes he's pretty awful but the main idea is that he has a good chance of taking whatever killed him to the grave as well.

good call about celestian it completely slipped my mind that if you are tabled she can't come back!
Still though vect + dias is still going strong

Lets not forget about Lysander... one of the toughest characters (if not THE toughest) in the game.

2+/3++ armor, with 4 wounds and eternal warrior?

Packing a str10 Master-Crafted melta hammer? Yes please!

dumplingman wrote:good call about celestian it completely slipped my mind that if you are tabled she can't come back!
Still though vect + dias is still going strong

She can if the game has not ended though right?

so if you kill her turn 2 you have the possibility for her to get back up, since the game does not end for at least another 3 turns.

only if she is a counter when the game ends does she count as destroyed, that's how it reads to me anyway.

Lysander would probably be my generalist call, too.

If it were limited to MEQ non-vehicles, Sanguinor, hands down.

Kharn has a pretty good shot if they're starting in CC, considering he always wounds on a 2+. Abaddon's also pretty good.

Actually as for Ghaz's Waagh invul save he may call it at ANY time except the first turn, and lasts for the remainder of that turn and the following one, so unless charged in turn 1 he will be able to call it at will. ( see Ork codex pg.58 Prophet of the Waaagh! )

I still side with ole Ghaz, if for no other reason than he is the coolest of the super baddies here.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Actually as for Ghaz's Waagh invul save he may call it at ANY time except the first turn, and lasts for the remainder of that turn and the following one, so unless charged in turn 1 he will be able to call it at will. ( see Ork codex pg.58 Prophet of the Waaagh! )

I still side with ole Ghaz, if for no other reason than he is the coolest of the super baddies here.

I thought that Calling the WAAAAAGH was only during the shooting phase.

nope not in this case for Ghaz..he's special.

Draigo is by far the greatest model ever to exist in fluff, tabletop or even REALITY.. What other model in the game can kill infinite demons while sleeping or eating a cheeseburger.. Draigo can that's who. (He also has pretty beefy stats in game)

Kirasu wrote:Draigo is by far the greatest model ever to exist in fluff, tabletop or even REALITY.. What other model in the game can kill infinite demons while sleeping or eating a cheeseburger.. Draigo can that's who. (He also has pretty beefy stats in game)

Maybe in fluff he's done that, but it doesn't work out quite so well for him on tabletop.

pretre wrote:

Bluewulf wrote:Thunder wolflord w/ss and FW w/ saga of the bear.

I think you mis-abbreviated Wolf Claw as FW.

Nope I just Like str6!!

@Bluewulf: I think if you do the math, WC is better against all targets except vehicles with rear armor 12 or walkers with Front armor 12. But to each his own.

As a GK player it pains me say it but I'm going with Abaddon. 1vs1 the guy eats through most models. Draigo wishes he was that good on TT, in a fight.

Valkyrie wrote:Brotherhood Champion. Yes he's pretty awful but the main idea is that he has a good chance of taking whatever killed him to the grave as well.

Nice choice.

Greyish wrote:As a GK player it pains me say it but I'm going with Abaddon. 1vs1 the guy eats through most models. Draigo wishes he was that good on TT, in a fight.

Valkyrie wrote:Brotherhood Champion. Yes he's pretty awful but the main idea is that he has a good chance of taking whatever killed him to the grave as well.

Nice choice.

I would of agreed with abaddon until last weekend.me and my friend decided to have a 1500point battle where he used every single chaos character in the codex(a lot of proxies).I,decided to do a proxy of my own and used the swarm lord,until playing this game i had never used him before and he did pretty awesome.in the battle he managed to assist the genestealers in killing a chaos hero(cant remember which),he then went on to kill kharn, Lucius and abbadon without taking any wounds!

I'm with Ghaz on this one. Even if he is slow, why not deploy behind a building out of LOS and wait for the opponent to come to him. Call his Waaaagh!(at anytime) when in opponent is in range and should be enough. 2++ is solid enough to withstand any number of attacks and then respond with 7 S10 attacks on charge. I could be way off but from my experience Ghaz is top notch.

Then again after reading swarmlord...

Baneblade.
Or that big-ass titan.

C'tan shard with Time's Arrow and Gaze of Death. The arrow goes before anything in CC and if the enemy model fails their initiative test then instantly removed from play. Assuming that fails then CC continues as normal, 4 attacks at str. 7 and I4 isn't to bad. What then ends this combat is the gaze which is, admittedly str. 3, but allows no armor saves and returns a wound to the C'tan. 3 seperate times it attacks during the combat phase

Azure wrote:C'tan shard

I was with you until about here.

The Swarmlord maybe?

pretre wrote:

Azure wrote:C'tan shard

I was with you until about here.

I'm sorry to hear that you missed out on my reasoning then. I hope you can come back and read at some point, I think it to be rather valid

Seaward wrote:Lysander would probably be my generalist call, too.

If it were limited to MEQ non-vehicles, Sanguinor, hands down.

Meph eats Sanguinor, as does Failbaddon, Calgar, Kharn, Typhus, and Lysander. And All three of them can wreck vehicles too. And those are just marines. Several C'tan Shard loadouts could eat him too.

I was considering Lucius, even if you lose, you could claim a fluff win.

If C:WH was still legal, a kitted out Cannoness (that costs entirely too many points) could be a reasonable contender (yay 2++).

Azure wrote:

pretre wrote:

Azure wrote:C'tan shard

I was with you until about here.

I'm sorry to hear that you missed out on my reasoning then. I hope you can come back and read at some point, I think it to be rather valid

I think you dropped something. Looks kind of like a sense of humor. You might need that later.