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Last week the parents of a Wisconsin boy sued Grant County District Attorney Lisa Riniker for charging their son with first-degree sexual assault, a Class B felony, after he played "butt doctor" with a 5-year-old girl. He was 6 at the time. When the boy's lawyer tried to have the charge dismissed, Riniker replied: "The legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute if it wanted to. The legislature did no such thing."

According to the complaint (PDF), the girl is "the daughter of a well-known political figure in Grant County," and her brother, who is the same age, also was involved in playing doctor but was not charged. In addition to Riniker, the lawsuit names as defendants retired Grant County Sheriff's Sgt. James Kopp and Jan Moravits, an investigator with Grant County Social Services "whose regional supervisor...is the political figure's wife's sister-in-law"—i.e., the aunt of the alleged victim.

Although the boy, now 7, is too young to be prosecuted or named in a juvenile delinquency petitition, Madison.com reports, county officials are using the felony charge to force his parents into accepting "protection or services" for him. The lawsuit says that once he turns 18, he will be listed as a sex offender.

I noted a similar case in my July Reason story on sex offender laws.



That's the full story, here's where I got it - http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/23/parents-sue-da-for-charging-their-6-year

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If you saw suspect behaviour in a child then you may be excused for investigating the parents, because it might be a sign they are repeating something they have seen or done. But to charge the child and list them as an offender when they turn 18 in 12 years time... it's bizarre.
   
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Howard A Treesong wrote:If you saw suspect behaviour in a child then you may be excused for investigating the parents, because it might be a sign they are repeating something they have seen or done.


Totally agree with you, the thing that annoyed me most about this was:
the girl is "the daughter of a well-known political figure in Grant County," and her brother, who is the same age, also was involved in playing doctor but was not charged



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This is outrageous. That kid probably had no idea what he was doing and was just playing around. For stupid obnoxious politicians to have him listed as a sex offender as soon as he turns 18, for something he unintentionally did whilst still in innocent childhood is just ridiculous.

If there is a movement or protest against this, or even a petition I will join it, cause this is just completely and utterly ridiculous.

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What's that? a 6 year old boy being a 6 year old boy is now against the law?
Hell everyone played doctor when they were 5-6 at least once.

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Two sad things:
1. If the girl wasn't the daughter of a politician, this wouldn't have even been brought before a court
2. If it was for all this commotion, he probably wouldn't even remember this by the time he is 18

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I have to say though "Butt Doctor" sounds like the worst game ever.

Get the kid an X-Box!

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Goddamnit Wisconsin. You almost had me in a pleasant state of forgetting you existed, now you had to come up with this stupid crap to remind me.

Jokes aside, poor kid. Hope the judge loses her job over it... this is seriously stupid. Judges are supposed to use good personal judgement over their activity (it's in the name...), not just rampantly throw gak around and trying to find where it sticks.

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Melissia wrote:Goddamnit Wisconsin. You almost had me in a pleasant state of forgetting you existed, now you had to come up with this stupid crap to remind me.

Jokes aside, poor kid. Hope the judge loses her job over it... this is seriously stupid. Judges are supposed to use good personal judgement over their activity (it's in the name...), not just rampantly throw gak around and trying to find where it sticks.


Fething Wisconsin...

The kid's life is ruined before it even got started. I really hope this judge comes up for a review or something. There was no thought process behind this ruling other than "if there was an age restriction, the law would say so.." what a bunch of gak...

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mattyrm wrote: I have to say though "Butt Doctor" sounds like the worst game ever.


Eh? It sounds like a brilliant game! I'm going to try and get my missus to play it with me tonight....

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This is just fething silly, I can't think of anyone I know who didn't " play doctor" as a child.
Good to know that the normal exploration/curiosity that the majority of children engage in can now be prosecuted ....makes me feel so much safer.


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I cannot wait to see how his first job interview goes...

"Sir, you're 16 years old, but for the question 'Are you a registered sex offender' you checked yes. Was this a mistake?"

"No, it was a long time ago, but thats all behind me."

"Well, you're well qualified in every other category. So, let me be the first to say, Welcome to Burger King."



Poor kid

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Representatives only represent the worst humanity has to offer IMO.

This is bogus. I should send a picture of the front of my underwear to this guy in the mail and watch the ensuing manhunt. After deleting this message of course.

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Alfndrate wrote:I cannot wait to see how his first job interview goes...

"Sir, you're 16 years old, but for the question 'Are you a registered sex offender' you checked yes. Was this a mistake?"

"No, it was a long time ago, but thats all behind me."

"Well, you're well qualified in every other category. So, let me be the first to say, Welcome to Burger King."



Poor kid


At some of the BK's I've visited, being a registered sex offender makes you overqualified.

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Nerivant wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:I cannot wait to see how his first job interview goes...

"Sir, you're 16 years old, but for the question 'Are you a registered sex offender' you checked yes. Was this a mistake?"

"No, it was a long time ago, but thats all behind me."

"Well, you're well qualified in every other category. So, let me be the first to say, Welcome to Burger King."



Poor kid


At some of the BK's I've visited, being a registered sex offender makes you overqualified.



This is true

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It's actually an obscene miscarriage of justice to have him labelled as a sex offender. That judge should have their rulings reviewed as they are obviously detached from reality. It shuts off several career paths.

   
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Is this gak legit?

Slightly more coherent

http://www.channel3000.com/news/29827742/detail.html

MADISON, Wis. -- A 6-year-old Grant County boy has been accused of first-degree sexual assault after playing "doctor" with two 5-year-old friends.
Now, a federal lawsuit has been filed against the prosecutor, who attorneys said is trying to force the boy to admit guilt.
The boy's parents had planned to speak with WISC-TV on Monday to discuss the emotional toll the prosecution has taken on their son. But the prosecutor, Grant County District Attorney Lisa Riniker, on Monday morning asked a judge for a gag order in the case and was granted it. The gag order prohibits the boy's parents from talking about the case.
But the attorneys for the parents in the federal suit, which names Riniker as a defendant, can aren't included in the gag order, and they spoke with WISC-TV from Chicago.
Attorneys for the parents of the 6-year-old, who is being referred to as "D," said that Riniker has gone too far by bringing a felony sex charge against a first-grader for touching a 5-year-old girl inappropriately while playing doctor last fall.
"That behavior by a prosecutor is outrageous," said Christopher Cooper, an attorney for the boy's parents.
Cooper and attorney David Sigale filed the federal suit last week, alleging that Riniker wants D to sign a consent decree admitting some level of guilt.
"We're certainly hoping to vindicate D in the eyes of the law," Sigale said.
"He (the boy) says he didn't do it, and the little girl says he didn't do it. The little girl says he touched the back of one of her buttocks," Cooper said.



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The attorneys are also asking for about $12 million in damages from Riniker and two co-defendants.
Cooper and Sigale said they are prepared to present evidence that D has been psychologically harmed by the court proceedings and is terrified of going to jail.
"She (Riniker) bypassed the parents and sent a 6-year-old boy a summons, on which is a threat that the 6-year-old will go to jail for failure to appear," Cooper said.
The attorneys said they have sought the opinion of many experts who said that children "playing doctor" is not a sex crime.
"(The experts say) a 6-year-old child is unable to intellectually and emotionally associate sexual gratification with the act that D has been accused of committing," Cooper said.
In justification for the charge, Riniker is quoted in the lawsuit saying "the Legislature could have put an age restriction in the statute ... the legislature did no such thing."
The lawsuit also alleges the charges were brought because the 5-year-old is the daughter of a high-ranking official in Grant County.
Repeated calls to Riniker and an attorney for she and two co-defendants have gone unanswered since Friday, WISC-TV reported.
Riniker went to Judge Bill Dyke, who is handling the case from Iowa County, and he issued a gag order for the parents Monday morning. WISC-TV has not received a copy of the order nor a reason for its issue.

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Nerivant wrote:
Alfndrate wrote:I cannot wait to see how his first job interview goes...

"Sir, you're 16 years old, but for the question 'Are you a registered sex offender' you checked yes. Was this a mistake?"

"No, it was a long time ago, but thats all behind me."

"Well, you're well qualified in every other category. So, let me be the first to say, Welcome to Burger King."



Poor kid


At some of the BK's I've visited, being a registered sex offender makes you overqualified.

That sound more like McDonalds.

 
   
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Hey, contact info for the DA

http://www.co.grant.wi.gov/localgov_departments_details.asp?deptid=412&locid=147


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This is got to be the most stupid thing I have ever read. The 6 year boy touched an girls ass. Not a big deal, unless the girl is an well known political figure. I wonder why i still live in this world?


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The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:The 6 year boy touched an girls ass. Not a big deal, unless the girl is an well known political figure.


Then they would use the boy in their campaigns. He would be a great asset.

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Pfft, whatever. I did worse than that when I was that age (and some even worse things when I was much older ) and I came out okay.

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Nerivant wrote:Then they would use the boy in their campaigns. He would be a great asset.

I lol'd

CuddlySquig wrote:Pfft, whatever. I did worse than that when I was that age (and some even worse things when I was much older ) and I came out okay.

O_O I really don't want to know how many asses you have touched, and how many sexual assault charges you have got from them.


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Melissa wrote:Judges are supposed to use good personal judgement over their activity (it's in the name...), not just rampantly throw gak around and trying to find where it sticks.

you're confusing prosecutors with judges. The named defendants are the DA, a social worker, and a cop. If there is a judge involved at this point the only action he/she has taken is not to grant the motion to dismiss. He/she may be forced to entertain this case because there is no legal requirement to dismiss.
Either way the prosecutor is stretching beyond reason here, I don't think it should cost the tax layers of this municipality 12 million dollars, but it should cost her job and her ability to practice law in the future. I'm salivating to see what the federal judge will do.

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AustonT wrote:
Melissa wrote:Judges are supposed to use good personal judgement over their activity (it's in the name...), not just rampantly throw gak around and trying to find where it sticks.

you're confusing prosecutors with judges. The named defendants are the DA, a social worker, and a cop. If there is a judge involved at this point the only action he/she has taken is not to grant the motion to dismiss. He/she may be forced to entertain this case because there is no legal requirement to dismiss.
Either way the prosecutor is stretching beyond reason here, I don't think it should cost the tax layers of this municipality 12 million dollars, but it should cost her job and her ability to practice law in the future. I'm salivating to see what the federal judge will do.
Not confusing, so much as misread. But still, my point stands. A DA is supposed to be above such frivolous non-sense...

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It seems to me that its more than just incompetence on behalf of the DA. The girls brother was involved in the "Butt Doctor" game, but wasn't charged, seemingly because they are the children of this political figure. The social worker investigating their case was the aunt of these two children. The DA and this political figure must of at least once been in conversation about the case.

Looks like its one law for them, another for everyone else.
   
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