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In the past at tourneys I found myself reminding my opponents of their own speacial rules for example playing a draigowing and reminding him about daemonbane, psy out grenades, that nfw swords changed a termies invuln, etc. I guess in some games it hurt me but I felt it was hard to say I won and not say something. I guess in a friendly game as opposed to a tourney it might make a difference for some but I have a hard time winning that way. What do you guys think?

If they're having trouble of course, but not in a "me smart you dumb" way.

Can't have too much fun with a game if you're struggling to remember how to play it more than actually playing it. Of course they do need to learn and remember on their own so you shouldn't always help them every game.

I've only played a grand total of 1 game.....So I have no input really, but I WOULD remind them of stuff if they forgot, because I would want them to do the same for me.

I remind people about reserves and that kind of thing, because I hate it when I forget, treat others as you would like to be treated etc!

I remind people a few times (especially as I'm teaching a few people who haven't played much currently), but then preemptive reminders stop and I'll remind them after it's too late.

So... to a point. There's only so many times I can tell someone "LC reroll wounds" or "your Land Raider has PotMS" etc. before they should be remembering them.

Generally yes. I enjoy strategy, and enjoy winning strategically according to the rules. If it were a computer game the rules would always be enforced. Since it is a tabletop game it all comes down to memory. Winning because they forgot rule isn't that different from cheating at a computer game. You didn't win the game you were playing, you won a slightly different game with was rigged in your favor. You are playing the game together to have fun, it isn't a solo experience. Make it as fun for everyone as possible.

I only remind them on things that are critical to the game and are not voluntary choices.

Like lightning claws re-rolling, assault and defensive grenade effects, ect.

ANYTHING they can do that is optional, i will never mention.

I remind others of rules mostly, or that they forgot to move with a unit, or that they forgot to shoot with a unit, ect ect.

I help with the reserves thing and other general knowledge type of deals.

In a tournament? I will remind anyone of non-optional rules, like swords changing the save, rolling for reserves etc. Not doing so would be cheating.
LC rerolls or PotMS? Nah, not my fault if you jump into a shark tank and can't swim. Especially if I'm one of the sharks and about to have lunch.

In friendly games (read, whenever nothing is on the line and the opponent is not being an asshat), I will remind my opponent of everything he forgets and usually even of things my army can do if he is making obvious stupid moves. Like not moving a landraider when tank bustaz are around the corner or attempting to charge burnaz with (old) necron warriors.

Jidmah wrote:In a tournament? I will remind anyone of non-optional rules, like swords changing the save, rolling for reserves etc. Not doing so would be cheating.
LC rerolls or PotMS? Nah, not my fault if you jump into a shark tank and can't swim. Especially if I'm one of the sharks and about to have lunch.

In friendly games (read, whenever nothing is on the line and the opponent is not being an asshat), I will remind my opponent of everything he forgets and usually even of things my army can do if he is making obvious stupid moves. Like not moving a landraider when tank bustaz are around the corner or attempting to charge burnaz with (old) necron warriors.

This I generally my way of seeing things. In competitive games people should know at least all of their own rules, and the general rules, and should at least have an idea about the bigger parts of each codex.

General non-competitive games, I'll help out in anyway I can, and offer advise and hint on rules, etc.

Uh yeah, its just a stupid game, no need to get competative. Quote myself from last night as my opponent moved ended his turn, "Uh you've not fired your Whirlwind yet". Said Whilrwind was lined up against 25 guardsmen who were holding my right flank. Luckily it only killed three, but otherwise it would have killed everyone one of them (ap5 no coversave). ^^

If it's a tournament, I never help out. If you come to play competitively, you are responsible for knowing those things yourself, and I'm not going to help anyone defeat me.

If it's a friendly game, I always remind everyone of everything. It's all in good fun, so why be a WAAC donkey cave?

I don't give tips on tactics during a game because it's a game of strategy and the other player should be playing without my help. .
I remind opponents of the broader general rules "you can't hit higher than a 3+ in CC" but if my DE opponent forgets about his pain tokens (for gork's sake), it's on him.
In the past I have allowed my enemy to correct oversights in the name of fairness, such as allowing him to shoot with a unit he forgot to shoot with in the shooting phase. I think most of us would do that.

If I was playing anyone, I'd only want them pointing out rules or correcting my oversights. I don't want anyone giving me tactical advice. I'd suspect it of being treacherous and it would confuse me.

If by help you mean helping them with the rules and not forgetting something like their reserves, sure.

But I wouldn't 'help' by telling them what tactics to use because that's just a matter of opinion. It's pretty annoying to have someone how to play your army.

Yea Im only saying rules not tactics though without thinking a few weekends ago found myself rolling for the daemonbane deal for my prince after he was hit by draigo.. Didn't even register that my opponent didn't know. I was so used to playing the army(draigowing) I just rolled and then got a weird look.

Howard A Treesong wrote:If by help you mean helping them with the rules and not forgetting something like their reserves, sure.

But I wouldn't 'help' by telling them what tactics to use because that's just a matter of opinion. It's pretty annoying to have someone how to play your army.

This.

I won't tell someone how to beat me or what my plan is (if I have one). But I'll remind them to roll for reserves or to reroll their wounds with LC's or that they gave their unit of Eldar Guide.

But I only play with close friends.

Jidmah wrote:In a tournament? I will remind anyone of non-optional rules, like swords changing the save, rolling for reserves etc. Not doing so would be cheating.
LC rerolls or PotMS? Nah, not my fault if you jump into a shark tank and can't swim. Especially if I'm one of the sharks and about to have lunch.

In friendly games (read, whenever nothing is on the line and the opponent is not being an asshat), I will remind my opponent of everything he forgets and usually even of things my army can do if he is making obvious stupid moves. Like not moving a landraider when tank bustaz are around the corner or attempting to charge burnaz with (old) necron warriors.

This. For fun games I'm all for support, but when it comes down to winning a prize or losing my entry money, I'm rather cut throat.

If their a new player yes if their winning no

I used to be a lot more helpful in games until I got burned a couple times.

You have to be careful when helping other players. If you're too helpful you can basically end up playing against yourself. In a friendly game or a learning game, I'm generally very helpful, but in a tournament I'm decidedly more competitive. I'll make sure their rules are right but I won't be telling them where to use their units or that they forgot to fire that squad back there.

I like my games to be very casual, fun things. Yes, I try to win, but I like having fun more than anything. So, I'll help my opponent with any of the following:

1) Any mandatory things they're forgetting (reserves, twin-linked, etc)
2) If they ask "Have I moved/shot everything?" I'll point out what they missed.
3) I'll remind them of my special effects (the squad you're about to charge with is doomed, if you shoot the harlies you'll have to roll to see them, etc)
4) If asked, I'll point out the strengths of my various units and their weaknesses (the Avatar is going to be very hard to kill as long as that Farseer is alive, the DA squad is really decimating if I bladestorm with guide and doom, Banshees have fleet so they have a threat of up to 18")

I won't help with tactics or with things like wound allocation or giving my opinion on distances.

I'll remind my opponent of things when it's clear that they are forgetting a rule, accidentally doing something illegal, or doing anything that would ultimately mess with the "fun" of the game. (e.g. not rallying due to ATSKNF, or not bringing on reserves, etc)

However, I won't assist in situations where an opponent needs to make a tactical choice about whether to make use of a rule or ability. (e.g. I'll assume that if Calgar rolls a morale check and falls back, that my opponent is choosing not to use his special "auto-pass morale tests" ability).

Psychic powers are something of a grey area though, since all my gaming friends (myself included) have a tendency to forget our psychic powers (particularly ones used in the opponent's turn) so we give each other some leeway in terms of when psychic powers are used (though typically less leeway with "combat" powers like Hammerhand or Mind War).

In a tournament only I will only help them a bit to make sure they are playing the rules right. I won't remind them to shoot, or anything. If it is competitive play than you should know the rules.

With that caviat out of the way. I rarely play in tournaments. Most of the time I am explaining how everything works and reminding my opponents to not forget this unit. Or don't forget you get to reroll that as most of the people I play are still fairly new to the game.

I think it depends on the situation.

sometimes......

If it is a special rule like ATSKNF, then yes. I don't give help like.

" Well, your Land Raider is the only thing that can blow up my Tank, so would it not be better than trying to wound this one guy( Draigo)?

Unless, of coarse, they are a complete newb or the y are 5, and their dad has bugered off to the pub for a few hours, and they have no clue how to do anything.

As i'm only learning the game and have played, oh, lets see..... about 4 times, I AM that guy who needs help! and lots of it, i learn better when I am gently reminded mid game to 'not forget I have smoke launchers' or 'remember those guys can shoot through the building' and next time I play I don't forget, which is great as I can then remember better along with cramming my codex every 2nd day, I think we all need some help as we go, but in a tournament I would think that registering to play would mean you are very familiar with the rules and therefore can and will be competative? I'm not sure how they work, but maybe a gentle nudge would be fine as long as you're not playing the whole game for them each turn.

NF09

n0t_u wrote:If they're having trouble of course, but not in a "me smart you dumb" way.

This x 100

I'll remind them about reserves, moving units, etc. Anything that it was obvious they intended to do but forgot because such things should not be simply voided due to an obvious oversight rather than a misplay unless it's like 4 turns later. Also if they forget a rule or wargear or something, because again, those things should come into play and nobody has perfect memory.

That said, I usually won't say anything regarding their command decisions unless they're new.