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I know that for sure the Knowledge of making Terminator suit's becoming even more rare, That eventually they will be lost in say couple thousand year's.

So if this were to happen? (The knowledge of building power Armour lost), Sending whole regiment's or special agent's to find power Armour in ruins and battle fields that are million's of year's old old and inhabited by strange and dangerous creatures around the known galaxy.

so then only elite Astarted would be wearing Power Armour will the run-of-the-mill Astarte's would be wearing Carapace which knowledge to construct be also foregotten but would be easier to find due to the amount of carapace Armour produced.

When the times comes for power armor to start becoming rare, then I say if you haven't already, then it's time to look for a way to make another type of armor.

I think the reason for the Terminator armour was because it was still relatively new at the time of the heresy and not that wide spread.

No, power armor is one of the few areas where the imperium knows what is going on and can actually advance the design occasionally.

Knowledge is only in danger of being forgotten if it is in limited circulation. Power armor is made all over the imperium in the hundreds of millions. It is too common.

As stated, power armour is continueing to be improved on, just very slowly.

Even terminator is still being built but each suit takes a real long time.

What kind of power armor are we talking about? Sororitas armor is a fairly recent design compared to some Astartes armors. Inquisitors have unique kinds of armor designed for them too, then there's always the civilian power armors, which can be improved upon to militarize them if needed.

Probably give it enough time and IG vets would be issued it.

Not likely, because the problem is also replacement parts and maintenance-- power armor is expensive to repair and requires tons of maintenance to work compared to flak armor, so it'd become more and more prohibitive to train guardsmen in its use.

Though I could very well see (And Dark Heresy gives an example of) a noble's personal forces having power armor, or a specialized guard unit for it. Won't ever hit tabletop though, as that's the Sisters thing.

n0t_u wrote:Probably give it enough time and IG vets would be issued it.

never give guardsmen anything fancy, it'll slow them down and make them feel important.

I meant a stripped down version like a more mass produced version of the SoB type, though to replace carapace. I can see it easily not working out though, the shiny it distracts.

Maybe just give it to storm troopers and bring back hellguns instead of the hotshot las?

Well hopefully this doesn't turn into a why no guard in power Armour thread. (It would require a whole lot of AdMech priests to bless there armour before evrey battle and you can't go into battle with your'e suit's machine spirit not being pleased) as said whole regiment's it's un-viable maybe a General and his Bodyguard but they would be slow and cumbersome since they don't have BC)

Though wasn't the Land Speeder not forgotten then was re-discovered?? (The reason the great power's Astarte's don't have them)


Though okay maybe power Armour would not be forgotten, Though I think with terminator's Particullary the Terminator captain's with there Crux Terminatus which is embed with a piece of The Emperor of Mankind's Armour.

It surely does take long for the processes of creating Terminator Armour I don't know the fluff but for me it would seem that it would require a specialist for every part to be constructed Kind of like a Supremely skilled Engineer/Priest/Artist.

Just Imagine if they forget the Incantation's to please the suit's Machine Spirit (Disaster I say)


(Melissia huge fan of the DF story of your's )

RecutalThreat wrote:but they would be slow and cumbersome since they don't have BC

That is not at all true.

Techpriests, Sisters, and Inquisitors are not "slow and cumbersome" in their armor, and none of them have black carapace.

I'm pretty sure power armour comes with some strength-boosting tech in them, so that the carrier actually is capable of moving around in it.

it does, its full of servo motors, making there ridiculous strength even more so.
ive thought the schematics for power armour were already lost, seeing as each SM has to worship his armour as much as the emperor, but then how would they be making upgrades, so i would have to say the knowledge of making power armour will dissapear along with the imperium.

You wouldn't want to give every Guardsmen power armor because.

1.) Maintenance would be a pain in the butt in the field. IG logistics is already a nightmare, given the numbers, the bureacracy, and the warp, and adding massive amounts of a complicated, power-intensive armor system is only begging for trouble. I'm also not sure how Astartes handle it, but given the sheer diversity and variety of humans recruited into the Guard (size, shape, genetics, gender, etc.) I would think that customizing the armor would also be a nightmare.

2.) Its debatable whether you could stick a fusion reactor on any IG issue powered armor. And you would have to, otherwise running out of juice becomes an issue (and if the armor runs out of power it becomes a very fancy coffin.)

3.) Power armor generally sucks for stealth. It can be stealtehd in some ways (cf RAven Guard and Raptors) but it still has any number of problems - the thermal signature it radiates, the noise it makes when moving, the weight/ground pressure issue, the electronics emissions, etc. It would actually interfere with light infantry and cavalry forces (the ones that do scouting and skirmishing) and snipers for that reason. (Think SM Scouts.)

The most likely case is that you would give it ot storm troopers who aren't playin infiltration or anything involving stealth or commando - basically you want to give it to Grenadiers - people who might be leading the assault or charge, or those who might be fighting in the way the Sisters do (which may actually be why the Munitorum doens't bother. The Sisters already have power armor and I dont think its hard for the Ecclesiarchy and Munitorum to cooperate.) And the main benefit is that powered armor would allow the trooper to carry heavier long ranged weapons and more armor to improve survivability. I don't see IG suddenly becoming mini-Astartes, I see them becoming more capable heavy infantry.

Power armor for the guard is really something that would just be a specialization or a niche - its something you would use when you can't fit a Sentinel in.

LumenPraebeo wrote:it's time to look for a way to make another type of armor.

Sounds like heresy to me, let me see your STC for that,

RecutalThreat wrote:Well hopefully this doesn't turn into a why no guard in power Armour thread. (It would require a whole lot of AdMech priests to bless there armour before evrey battle and you can't go into battle with your'e suit's machine spirit not being pleased) as said whole regiment's it's un-viable maybe a General and his Bodyguard but they would be slow and cumbersome since they don't have BC)

Though wasn't the Land Speeder not forgotten then was re-discovered?? (The reason the great power's Astarte's don't have them)

Everything the Astartes have is from discovered STCs. Magos Land discovered the Land Speeder and Land Raider designs, Magos Power discovered Power Armor, and Magos Drop discovered the Drop Pod.

Though okay maybe power Armour would not be forgotten, Though I think with terminator's Particullary the Terminator captain's with there Crux Terminatus which is embed with a piece of The Emperor of Mankind's Armour.

It surely does take long for the processes of creating Terminator Armour I don't know the fluff but for me it would seem that it would require a specialist for every part to be constructed Kind of like a Supremely skilled Engineer/Priest/Artist.

Just Imagine if they forget the Incantation's to please the suit's Machine Spirit (Disaster I say)


(Melissia huge fan of the DF story of your's )

They're all rarely made because they're not worth nearly as much as the resources and labor required to make them are. It's why there are only a few million titans, but countless billions of Leman Russes, or only a few dozen/hundred full battleships, but millions of escorts and cruisers.

The ability to make stronger plasma weapons have been lost by all worlds but Mars, I doubt power armour will ever become rare, unless replaced by something stronger.

Squidmanlolz wrote:The ability to make stronger plasma weapons have been lost by all worlds but Mars

That's not true. There's an example in Rogue Trader (the rpg) where a forgeworld created a new kind of plasma weaponry which fired about three times as fast (by accident, they were trying to create a more powerful weapon, but this one was still quite successful for that forgeworld).

Melissia wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:The ability to make stronger plasma weapons have been lost by all worlds but Mars

That's not true. There's an example in Rogue Trader (the rpg) where a forgeworld created a new kind of plasma weaponry which fired about three times as fast (by accident, they were trying to create a more powerful weapon, but this one was still quite successful for that forgeworld).

The Codex: Imperial Guard entry for the Leman Russ Executioner gives the loss of sophistocated plasma technology as the cause for the extreme rarity of the tank variant.
Either the RPG takes place earlier in time (I am not familiar with it.)
or, It is a different type of plasma weapon produced farther from Mars and designs were never given to main-stream forces or Mechanicus.

Odds are Mars does have the designs for it, but they are buried is datastacks to be refound sometime in the distant future. The Mechanius never deletes anything, they just don't remember everything they know.

Forgeworlds don't seem to have a problem building new Plasma Destructors for titans.

RecutalThreat wrote:I know that for sure the Knowledge of making Terminator suit's becoming even more rare, That eventually they will be lost in say couple thousand year's.

So if this were to happen? (The knowledge of building power Armour lost), Sending whole regiment's or special agent's to find power Armour in ruins and battle fields that are million's of year's old old and inhabited by strange and dangerous creatures around the known galaxy.

so then only elite Astarted would be wearing Power Armour will the run-of-the-mill Astarte's would be wearing Carapace which knowledge to construct be also foregotten but would be easier to find due to the amount of carapace Armour produced.

Terminator armor is another things, it was very rare at the start of the Heresy and relatively new. So they only have more trouble making a new one then making a new power armor.
Also, STC for making power armors is on Mars, furthermore they not only build power armors in great number ( for Astartes anyway ) - they are upgrading him and building newer versions.
Short answer is - they will never lose knowledge to build power armors.

Last I checked, they lost the ability to make new terminator armor. They just repair and refit the few they have left. I doubt losing the ability to make power armor would really change much. They have never been swimming in the stuff to start with. Most suits are hand me downs and it's not like they are stamped out on an assembly line. Also like Btother Coa said, they don't need PA in massive numbers.

Never.


That would imply a storyline that was moving forward instead of the stagnant quagmire GW has turned the fluff into these days,

No way, over 90% of the armies played in warhammer have power armor. So gw will never get rid of the cash cow marines are.

Wait isn't it the Older the better in 40k????


Because for terminator Armour I don't think it is mass produced in the scale of Run-of-the-mill power Armour, And wouldn't a Marine be more honored in wearing the Terminator suit of a fallen comrade than a new one?? Also each suit is a relic to the chapter and represents it's fighting spirit.
(^from the 40k Lexicanum^)

So there isn't allot of new Terminator suit's being created, And aren't suit's restricted to member's of the first company and there are a thousand chapter's

that makes it around a something like a hundred something thousand suit's out there which isn't much considering the scale of the 40k universe, So it wouldn't be surprising that knowledge of it's creation would be eventually lost (lost not forgotten there might be a chance it would be re-found)

RecutalThreat wrote:Wait isn't it the Older the better in 40k????

Not always, no.

Some older technology is better, where the knowledge to reproduce it has been lost. But there is still advancement in other areas. And even some of the old rediscovered STCs are eventually improved or advanced later on.

RecutalThreat wrote:Wait isn't it the Older the better in 40k????

I'll just say that you wouldn't want to be running around in the 41st Millenium wearing a suit of MkI, not least because it was not fully sealed nor did it contain any life-support, since it was made for conflicts on Earth.

Mk2 was the first to be fully enclosed, but I still wouldn't wear it over a Mk4 or greater, and would only wear it over Mk3 outside of the operations Mk3 was desgined for, which were mainly confined places such as tunnels or boarding due to how 'clumsy' it was.

Power Armour is something i'd want as new as possible.

Even though it was worn by a famous hero of your'e chapter? and inscribed by each one with the heroics he has undertaken with your'e chapter?? Or maybe a suit that has fought alongside the BIg E himself??