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Big changes I've gotten from just the BRB, DE and CSM FAQs:

Vehicles that fail Dangerous Terrain tests before moving still count as moving.
Models in vehicles can only use fire points for shooting, not for abilities that require LoS

Wyches don't get a dodge from exploding vehicles.

Chaos Dreads officially use weapon barrels to determine what they shoot when going crazy.
Lash is a PSA and must roll to hit. It also is done simultaneously with the rest of the unit.
Warptime rerolls all or none.
Abaddon has a real Daemon Weapon.

Necrons also got an FAQ, most of the answers being straight-forward. A few interesting things though:

ICs affected by MSS attack the unit they are attached to (or themselves if by themself).
Two Royal Courts means two characters in a unit.
Deathmarks can choose an IC to target, which makes any unit it is with a victim of their rule.

And a weird one: Whip Coils reduces before bonuses from the enemy (like FC), but they specifically included an example involving GK Halberds, invalidated that FAQ (which was also updated but I haven't checked it yet).

EDIT: And they also cleared up Combat Squads arriving from reserves.

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Chaos Dreads officially use weapon barrels to determine what they shoot when going crazy.
Lash is a PSA and must roll to hit. It also is done simultaneously with the rest of the unit.
Warptime rerolls all or none.
Abaddon has a real Daemon Weapon.


So... What does that even mean? They measure from the tip of the barrel to determine the nearest unit? Does that mean they don't go for things behind them, since the barrel is facing that direction?

Makes sense. Doesn't really affect it at all. Just a small chance for it to fail.

Wait. All or none? So you have to re-roll every single roll, even if you pass whatever test it is? Ugh, that makes it essentially worthless, since DPs usually pass all of their tests anyway, and warptime was just the icing on the cake for them. Never seemed to have a problem with them, dunno why they had to nerf them so much.

Good, that's better, I suppose. Makes the rules a little clearer. Now do the same thing with Kharne. Everyone I play seems to think he gains 2D6 attacks and hits on a 2+


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The not getting line of sight out of vehicles is tough. that makes Anrakyr a lot worse since he will have to get out of his barge to use the "mind in the machine" ability.
   
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Samus_aran115 wrote:So... What does that even mean? They measure from the tip of the barrel to determine the nearest unit? Does that mean they don't go for things behind them, since the barrel is facing that direction?


It will now not fire-frenzy at a unit standing next to it, but only at units 45° in front of either of it's weapons. While not technically correct, you can pretty much assume it will be shooting anything standing in it's front arc, and nothing else.

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Q: Can a unit take cover saves from any source other than the terrain they are in, or touching, against Wounds caused by an impaler cannon? (p47)
A: No.


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bagtagger wrote:The not getting line of sight out of vehicles is tough. that makes Anrakyr a lot worse since he will have to get out of his barge to use the "mind in the machine" ability.


Don't be too sure, the CCB is open topped, it doesn't have fire points and that FAQ specifically mentions using the vehicle's fire points to draw LOS.

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The Infinite wrote:
bagtagger wrote:The not getting line of sight out of vehicles is tough. that makes Anrakyr a lot worse since he will have to get out of his barge to use the "mind in the machine" ability.


Don't be too sure, the CCB is open topped, it doesn't have fire points.


It does. An infinite amount of them, actually.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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I will have to look up open topped when I get home
   
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Lots of Tyranid goodies:

Tyranid FAQ wrote:Q: How many kill points is a unit of Tyrant Guard that
has been joined by a Hive Tyrant (including the
Swarmlord) worth? (p35)
A: One.


That's one tough KP!

Also, this is interesting to me:

Tyranid FAQ wrote:Q: Must every non-vehicle model in a unit that
assaults a Venomthrope brood take a Dangerous
Terrain test? (p45)
A: Yes.

Q: Do enemy models assaulting a Venomthrope brood,
or another frindly Tyranid unit within range of its Spre
Cloud, have their Initiative reduced to 1 for assaulting
through the cloud? (p45)
A: No, as the Spore Cloud is not a piece of terrain.




This means just because you took a DT, doesn't mean your initiative is reduced.

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Jidmah wrote:
The Infinite wrote:
bagtagger wrote:The not getting line of sight out of vehicles is tough. that makes Anrakyr a lot worse since he will have to get out of his barge to use the "mind in the machine" ability.


Don't be too sure, the CCB is open topped, it doesn't have fire points.


It does. An infinite amount of them, actually.


p70 seems to disagree, unless you can point me somewhere else that overrides:

40k BRB wrote:
Open topped vehicles do not have specific fire points.


The question specifically addresses using fire points to target a unit with an embarked model's special rules or wargear, it needn't have added the fire point clause unless the ruling didn't apply to open topped transports.
   
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I have to know. Who in his right mind ever thought that Snikrot and Kommandos could be placed in a transport and still use the Ambush rule? I never heard of anyone needing to win so bad they'd even attempt it. I'd never even considered that with my Orks.


Q: Can Snikrot and his unit use his Ambush special rule
to move on from reserve from any table edge, if they
are embarked upon a vehicle? (p62)
A: No.


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I'm so glad a number of recent question that have come up here have just been answered, ie ES vs squadros,

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JoWW and Blood Lance no longer roll to hit, but Lash o' Sub does.

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The Infinite wrote:
p70 seems to disagree, unless you can point me somewhere else that overrides:

40k BRB wrote:
Open topped vehicles do not have specific fire points.


The question specifically addresses using fire points to target a unit with an embarked model's special rules or wargear, it needn't have added the fire point clause unless the ruling didn't apply to open topped transports.


Don't have specific fire points. They just use the entire hull as a fire point. But it's still a fire point, or they are unable to shoot at all..................

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I'll need to print off the los from vehicles as I'm sure that'll come up.
   
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Q: When a unit of 10 Space Marines with the Combat
Squad special rule arrives from reserve as two combat
squads, can they move on from, or Deep Strike onto,
two different locations? (p51)
A: Yes.

Looks like this changed from last faq.

Can change how a lot of lists perform.

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don_mondo wrote:
The Infinite wrote:
p70 seems to disagree, unless you can point me somewhere else that overrides:

40k BRB wrote:
Open topped vehicles do not have specific fire points.


The question specifically addresses using fire points to target a unit with an embarked model's special rules or wargear, it needn't have added the fire point clause unless the ruling didn't apply to open topped transports.


Don't have specific fire points. They just use the entire hull as a fire point. But it's still a fire point, or they are unable to shoot at all..................


Being able to shoot from an open topped vehicle may not be shooting from a fire point. GW is filled with things that are the same but don't count as being the same. So you may very well be able to get los out of open topped vehicles.
   
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pdawg517 wrote:Q: When a unit of 10 Space Marines with the Combat
Squad special rule arrives from reserve as two combat
squads, can they move on from, or Deep Strike onto,
two different locations? (p51)
A: Yes.

Looks like this changed from last faq.

Can change how a lot of lists perform.


No, it's the same. The old FAQ had an answer about not splitting WHILE in reserve whose answer was phrased in a slightly vague way, which caused some folks to misread it as squads not being able to combat-squad as they enter.

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bagtagger wrote:

Being able to shoot from an open topped vehicle may not be shooting from a fire point.


But where are the rules about shooting from a vehicle (and hence, drawing LoS from a Vehicle) located?

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in the oppen topped section
   
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Well at least it is cleared up now.

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puma713 wrote:
bagtagger wrote:

Being able to shoot from an open topped vehicle may not be shooting from a fire point.


But where are the rules about shooting from a vehicle (and hence, drawing LoS from a Vehicle) located?


Page 66 defines fire points, and page 70 talks about open-topped vehicles.
Even though open-topped vehicles don't have specific fire points, the rule states that when the passengers fire, range and LOS are measured from the hull.
So for an open-topped vehicle, the fire point is anywhere on the hull.

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time wizard wrote:
puma713 wrote:
bagtagger wrote:

Being able to shoot from an open topped vehicle may not be shooting from a fire point.


But where are the rules about shooting from a vehicle (and hence, drawing LoS from a Vehicle) located?


Page 66 defines fire points, and page 70 talks about open-topped vehicles.
Even though open-topped vehicles don't have specific fire points, the rule states that when the passengers fire, range and LOS are measured from the hull.
So for an open-topped vehicle, the fire point is anywhere on the hull.


Right. And that's the point. That it is a firepoint. So, Anrakyr cannot use his ability because to do so, he'd have to draw LOS from a firepoint - the hull, in this case.

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no where does that state that the hull is the firepoint you are putting words in the BRB's mouth so to speak.
   
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Let's keep it here.

This conversation is going on in 3 different threads.

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What they are saying is that outside of the"Fire Points" section of the rulebook, you have no permission to use anything while embarked on a vehicle.

The Fire Points section gives you permission to shoot while embarked.

Then you look up "Open Topped" to determine how that specific rule interacts with "Fire Points" in order to be able to even fire to begin with.

The Open Topped section says to measure from the hull, as there are no "specific fire points" on an open topped vehicle.

In order to fire though, you still draw permission from the "Fire Points" section of the book, and according to the new FAQ which specifically mentions "Fire Points" Anrakyr can no longer use his ability while embarked on the CCB.

Personally I hope his is an oversight that is changed, but if it is not, I will be removing Anrakyr from my lists.

Edit

Sorry Puma, I was in the midst of writing that post when you posted your suggestion (and a good one at that). My apologies.

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puma713 wrote:Let's keep it here.

This conversation is going on in 3 different threads.


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rigeld2 wrote:
Q: Does Shadow in the Warp affect psykers who are taking a Psychic test whilst embarked within a transport vehicle? (p33)
A: Yes.


\o/ you are no longer safe from the hivemind while hiding in your bawkses!

Also, so sorry KFF:

Q: Can a unit take cover saves from any source other than the terrain they are in, or touching, against Wounds caused by an impaler cannon? (p47)
A: No.


Some faith in sanity at GW has been restored. They didn't reverse all of the dumb calls (like ICs in spore pods) but its something.


But if your in the field, doesn't that mean the unit is in obscured terrain?

 
   
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Nope, it means they count as obscurred and get a 4+ cover save. However they are not in terrain.

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