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So does writhing worldscape cause slow and purposeful units to take dangerous terrain checks? I'd assume so.

Yup. That FAQ is going to force a lot of full reserve lists.

Just happy that they cleared up the blood lance and jotww stuff that folks where trying to enforce incorrectly.

Now if they would clear up Tycho and lemartes being DC or not would be great.

Yes, and they also "cleared up" Lash to need a roll to hit, for the first time since it was brought in as a power

I was wrong

... WOW. I missed that.

De-mechification of 5th ed?

edit: Well, they just can't trace LOS out of the vehicle... so effects that don't require LOS (like the KFF iirc) won't be affected.

italiaplaya wrote:Idk if this rule has been posted already. But this is a pretty big change to the rules. Check he bottom of page 5. Basically stating Models embarked in vehicles attempting to use wargear items or special rules not being able to anymore.

(Whats this means from my understanding, please tell me if its correct or not)- KFF doesnt work inside vehicles, BA FNP FC bubble doesnt work anymore, no lashing out of a rhino anymore, The list goes on.

Not sure about the KFF or sang Priests, but Lash still works from inside a rhino- it's a shooting attack.

Does this mean that a PBS can no longer use weaken resolve from a chimera? That makes them pretty bad now.

KFF and sang priests are fine, as neither of them need LOS to work.

Just thought, orders like BiD and FomT are pretty useless from chimeras as well, as they need LOS to the target and the enemy.

italiaplaya wrote:Idk if this rule has been posted already. But this is a pretty big change to the rules. Check he bottom of page 5. Basically stating Models embarked in vehicles attempting to use wargear items or special rules not being able to anymore.

(Whats this means from my understanding, please tell me if its correct or not)- KFF doesnt work inside vehicles, BA FNP FC bubble doesnt work anymore, no lashing out of a rhino anymore, The list goes on.

I would say you are incorrect. neither of those requires LOS, do they? It's only abilities that require LOS that cannot be used. Those are both just a within so many inches type ability.

Trickstick wrote:Does this mean that a PBS can no longer use weaken resolve from a chimera? That makes them pretty bad now.

KFF and sang priests are fine, as neither of them need LOS to work.

Just thought, orders like BiD and FomT are pretty useless from chimeras as well, as they need LOS to the target and the enemy.

WR can still be used, given that another FAQ gives specific permission to use psychic powers from a fire point.

Missed that one. Thanks. Still, I think that the orders thing must be an unintended casualty of the FAQ.

Edit: BiD and FomT only need LOS to the target, not both the target and the firing unit. Slight error on my part but it still means they won't work anymore.

2nd edit: Infact, just forget the whole thing. I should have reread the mobile command rule of the chimera before posting.

I don't know about unintended... >.>

The mobile command vehicle rule states to measure LOS from any point on the hull, sidestepping the FAQ. Silly me.

don_mondo wrote:

italiaplaya wrote:Idk if this rule has been posted already. But this is a pretty big change to the rules. Check he bottom of page 5. Basically stating Models embarked in vehicles attempting to use wargear items or special rules not being able to anymore.

(Whats this means from my understanding, please tell me if its correct or not)- KFF doesnt work inside vehicles, BA FNP FC bubble doesnt work anymore, no lashing out of a rhino anymore, The list goes on.

I would say you are incorrect. neither of those requires LOS, do they? It's only abilities that require LOS that cannot be used. Those are both just a within so many inches type ability.

Trickstick wrote:Does this mean that a PBS can no longer use weaken resolve from a chimera? That makes them pretty bad now.

KFF and sang priests are fine, as neither of them need LOS to work.

Just thought, orders like BiD and FomT are pretty useless from chimeras as well, as they need LOS to the target and the enemy.

WR can still be used, given that another FAQ gives specific permission to use psychic powers from a fire point.

Ahh, definitively didnt read that correctly haha. Thanks

Yep, fire points are irrelevant for the mobile command rule since it tells you to measure range and LOS from any point on the hull. So this FAQ has no affect on issuing orders from a Chimera.

So.... what will this effect?
How many 'special rule/wargear' situations do we have?

I covered the majority of this stuff on the blog http://www.3forint.com/2012/01/new-40k-faqs-omgomg.html.
The most interesting things I think are

Q: Does Warptime allow the psyker to pick and choose
which To Hit and To Wound dice he will re-roll? (p88)
A: No. He can decide after each To Hit or To Wound roll
but he must re-roll all dice or no dice.

A random nerf of a power that's not used that much. And...

Q: Can a unit take cover saves from any source other
than the terrain they are in, or touching, against
Wounds caused by an impaler cannon? (p47)
A: No.

This makes hive guard even more of an auto include in nid armies. Negating kff, smoke, and the various 5+ cover save powers is pretty huge for nids.

I wonder if these FAQ should be seen as a foreshadowing of 6th edition choices?

Dok - I would disagree on WT not being used much: most 5th ed chaos lists have dual nurgle DPs with warp time, so this is a serious nerf.

Along with lash, for the first time since the power was brought in, having to roll to hit - but jaws and lance dont. Sigh

Good job i only run cheap khorne princes

Seems consistent to me. Powers that work against a single unit need to roll, powers that work in a line or area, don't need to roll.

Except it hasnt needed to roll up until now - 5 years. Suddenly GW have changed the rules again to make it a PSA, and then decided it needs to roll to hit.

Equally as valid is that loyalists get all the benefits, chaos gets the shaft - especially when you read about Warptime now being a mindless slapping fest (reroll everything) directly contradicting the fluff about supernatural precision

I can't believe no one has brought this up yet:

IG FAQ Wrote wrote:Page 96 – Infantry Platoon, second sentence
Change to “Each Infantry Platoon is deployed in place
of a single unit in missions that limit the number units
that can be deployed. In addition when making a
reserve or outflanking roll, roll once for the whole
Infantry Platoon. Any units in reserve that are
embarked upon a non-dedicated transport are instead
rolled for separately.”

Say hello to two INF Platoons, not squads, being deployed in DoW? Yes please.


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Edit: And silly me, there is already a thread devoted to this.

puma713 wrote:

Tyranid FAQ wrote:Q: Must every non-vehicle model in a unit that
assaults a Venomthrope brood take a Dangerous
Terrain test? (p45)
A: Yes.

Q: Do enemy models assaulting a Venomthrope brood,
or another frindly Tyranid unit within range of its Spre
Cloud, have their Initiative reduced to 1 for assaulting
through the cloud? (p45)
A: No, as the Spore Cloud is not a piece of terrain.

This means just because you took a DT, doesn't mean your initiative is reduced.

I think your I is reduced only if you have to roll a DIFFICULT Terrain test for distance.


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Mannahnin wrote:

pdawg517 wrote:Q: When a unit of 10 Space Marines with the Combat
Squad special rule arrives from reserve as two combat
squads, can they move on from, or Deep Strike onto,
two different locations? (p51)
A: Yes.

Looks like this changed from last faq.

Can change how a lot of lists perform.

No, it's the same. The old FAQ had an answer about not splitting WHILE in reserve whose answer was phrased in a slightly vague way, which caused some folks to misread it as squads not being able to combat-squad as they enter.

Does this mean that you have to roll separately for the 'Combatted' Squad, or once for both halves? If it is once for both halves, do they then get to come in at different locations? Or do you have to roll for them separately to come in at different locations?

Nope, rules in BRB says reduced if roll Diff terr or Dang terr tests.

Dok wrote:

Q: Can a unit take cover saves from any source other
than the terrain they are in, or touching, against
Wounds caused by an impaler cannon? (p47)
A: No.

This makes hive guard even more of an auto include in nid armies. Negating kff, smoke, and the various 5+ cover save powers is pretty huge for nids.

Does this mean they even negate flat-out cover saves? wow.

< Taken by the void dragon. >

coredump wrote:Nope, rules in BRB says reduced if roll Diff terr or Dang terr tests.

Yep, pg 36.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:

coredump wrote:Nope, rules in BRB says reduced if roll Diff terr or Dang terr tests.

Yep, pg 36.

With the exception being the Tyranids Spore cloud

Q: Do enemy models assaulting a Venomthrope brood,
or another frindly Tyranid unit within range of its Spore
Cloud, have their Initiative reduced to 1 for assaulting
through the cloud? (p45)
A: No, as the Spore Cloud is not a piece of terrain

Defiler37 wrote:

Dok wrote:

Q: Can a unit take cover saves from any source other
than the terrain they are in, or touching, against
Wounds caused by an impaler cannon? (p47)
A: No.

This makes hive guard even more of an auto include in nid armies. Negating kff, smoke, and the various 5+ cover save powers is pretty huge for nids.

Does this mean they even negate flat-out cover saves? wow.

Flat out, turbo boost, KFF, shrouding*, shield of sanguinus, smoke launchers, exhaust clouds, models in the way or even going to ground* no longer have any effect on impaler cannons.
*Unless already in terrain

I really doubt that GW meant to do that when they wrote that FAQ, but that's the way it is now.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Does this mean that you have to roll separately for the 'Combatted' Squad, or once for both halves? If it is once for both halves, do they then get to come in at different locations? Or do you have to roll for them separately to come in at different locations?

One reserve roll for the squad, then you can declare that you are combat squadding them (since you are now deploying them) and bring them in at different locations.

coredump wrote:Seems consistent to me. Powers that work against a single unit need to roll, powers that work in a line or area, don't need to roll.

New FAQ wrote:Q: Does Mind War need to roll To Hit? (p28)
A: No.

Yeah, so much for that theory

It really looks like GW went through every psychic power and flipped a coin to decide if it rolls to hit.